Those of you who have your hearts set on getting the new TL-S RIGHT AWAY...here's a few thoughts...

Why not wait til the hype dies down a little?

REASONS...
1. Negotiating the price will be easier in a few months and you'll save non-trivial money on your purchase/lease.

2. You'll have the benefit of reading all the posts on here from new owners first. Yeah most of them will tell us how amazing the car is, and try to rub it in that "this car is so amazing and so much better than my old TL" "I'm so glad I got one" But more importantly, you'll get to hear about the quirks of the new TL-S. It may make you think twice!

3. I think the reason people rush out to get the latest and greatest right away is because of how validating it feels when everyone else is looking at your car for the first few months. But, if you don't get the car right away, then the excitement dies down, and you miss out on all the attention you could have gotten from all those perfect strangers. Well, in this case I think you all realize the only other TL owners are guaranteed to notice the difference between your new TL and theirs. "oh my god...honey look! That new TL doesn't have any yellow in its tail lights!!!!! Man, I wish I was that guy!!!"

"Dammit....I gotta get one too!"

I mean, really guys...what's it all about???

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2001 TL Silver w/ Black Leather
CL-S Wheels w/Pilots
Alpine CD Changer
Burlwood Shift Knob

 

Sorry but I want my 2002 TL-S. I went to the dealer in Aug (2000) and ordered a 2001. Then when I read on this forum about the TL-S, I told them to switch me to the TL-S. So I have been waiting for 6 months for this car and I don't want to wait any longer. Being a 2002 is icing on the cake because there will be people who will be purchasing a 2002 in Aug of 2002 and I will have had mine for 18 months! I saw several persons buying new 2000 TLs when I ordered my car just 6 months ago.

 

Points 1 and 2: valid, but really a matter of personal priorities. Cars seldomly make sense - they are passion plays resulting in personal indulgence. If they were not, we would all be driving Corollas.

Point 2: I doubt there will be glitches. The drivetrain has plenty of field testing in the CL-s, as do the tires, springs, shocks, etc. Ditto the seats, gauges, CD player, momory seats, and so forth. Any problems are much more likely to be

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Rage On!
2000 TL w. Comptech header/exhaust
SSR Integral A2's
17x7 45mm offset
Pirelli P7000 (Summer) 215-50/17
Fender lips rolled

 

I don't agree with your pricing assessment in #1. Depending on supply and demand, the price could go up or down. Witness the MDX: those who placed deposits prior to the release were able to purchase the MDX for MSRP; those who waited are currently having to pay more than MSRP (at least this is true in my local market.) There are many other examples of demand outstripping supply, i.e. the PT Cruiser and Audi TT to name a few recent examples.

Only time will tell. I believe if negotiations are possible after the hype dies down, the average savings from MSRP will be only a few hundred $. So, is it worth the risk?

 

As for pricing, it will be a while until you get anything or even a little off the sticker price. The supply is small and car makers love that in one sense. No incentives needed and just sell it at MSRP.

But I am waiting, simply for the fact that I am going to make my 99 TL a more worthwile purchase. I do agree with you that if you wait, something better may come out when you are actually ready to buy again. Can never keep up with the latest and the greatest. But the TL Type S is a car we all have to have!

 

Phatboy, you're comparing apples and oranges.
The SUV market is a bit more fierce and when a New line comes out, the demand is strong.
We're talking about a modification of an existing line here. It's not the same thing.
The PT Cruiser(which I personally think is uglier than Hillary Clinton after an all nighter) is a new line too.
I view the new S Type TL as a modest splash in the overall scheme of things.

 

After looking for a year for a new vehicle, why wait any longer for the possible hope of saving a thousand dollars? MDX is a valid point. My dealer is quoting delivery for mid-summer at this point. It may be another year before the demand dies off. Car and Driver indicates that Acura expects 1/3 of TL to be TL-S. Does sound like just a quick slash. Buy it, drive it, and enjoy it. Who knows whow will be around another year anyway.

 

We're not talking about the MIATA here guys!
This is not an entirely new line of automobile. It's a step up from an existing model and one that closely resembles(except for doors) the CL besides!
The only ones touting all this high demand are the dealers.
My cousin owns a dealership and he says it's all about hype. Get the demand up and try to create the impression that there is a backlog.
The truth eventually gets known though.
If I go to a dealer in Mid April and say I want a TL S Type and he says I have to pay sticker price, guess what? I either take a CL or I can go to an entirely different line of automobile. Perhaps a BMW or Mercedes. Or even Lexus. Or Infinity. Or Volvo...
Get my drift.
Someone is always willing to take take up the slack so don't believe the hype.

 

I actually agree with tea elle on all points... wow !! I witnessed this on the CL board with the release of the CL and CL-S. When that car was released, there were rattles, fit & finish problems, sunroof issues, etc.... The car was released in Feb. By April/May they had all of the older cars fixed by dealers and the new ones off the assembly line were already corrected. The price also dropped about 4 months after the release. I think the TL will hold its price a little longer b/c it has always outsold the CL and is Acura's best seller. Only time will tell I guess. It doesn't matter to me though, the savings are only going to be about $1000 or so if you wait those couple of months. The CL-S now sells for around $29k (no-nav). At launch it was $30,390 (no-nav). Of course now you can do some negotiating!!



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1998 Acura CL 3.0 (Iced Blue) ** Some mods, but who cares, I want a Type-S...
(CL or TL)!!

Moderator - 1st Gen Forum @ www.260hp.com

 

I'm waiting until my lease matures (or at least until I'm more than a year into it, which is the current case) to get the TL-S. I'd like to get it right away, but I'd lose money on my 2000 TL if they bought me out of the lease. I'm finally over having to have the newest thing right when it comes out. No big deal -- I still love my car

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2000 WDP 3.2TL non-NAV

 

After reading my previous post (just above this one) tea elle felt compelled to e-mail me telling me that "I am type type of consumer that amazes him" because I am willing to take a big financial loss on getting a new TL-S when I'm only a year into my current 2000 TL lease.

I don't think anyone with even a loose grasp of the English language would read my post and conclude the same thing he did.

Way to go, tea elle! Perhaps if I had bolded some of the words you'd have seen them more clearly. I'd return that "As Seen on TV" Speed Reading course -- it's not working.

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2000 WDP 3.2TL non-NAV

 

For those of you who care (and I doubt there are many of you who do) He wrote me a personal email to point out my mistake. I apologized to him for misreading what he wrote. But obviously the guy has some kind of personality disorder, or insecurity that I touched upon. Either that or he's just your basic asshole. I blew it, either way. But I assured him that I would never contact him again.


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2001 TL Silver w/ Black Leather
CL-S Wheels w/Pilots
Alpine CD Changer
Burlwood Shift Knob

 

For those of you following this week's installment of ACURA-TL.COM THURSDAY WORKTIME DRAMA, we've done the proverbial kiss & make up thing and are working on building a mutually beneficial business relationship raising horseshoe crabs.

However, tune in next Thursday when the whole board will clamor when Tim (Snook) reveals that his TL, was in fact, never his, but a long term rental that he drove while his Saturn was having accident damage repaired)

Thank Soichiro tomorrow's Friday!

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2000 WDP 3.2TL non-NAV

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Hey guys, we all have different financial backgrounds, so there's really nothing to lose for anyone. If you could spare some extra $, why not buy it as soon as it comes out? However I'm gonna wait a little bit since the waiting-time (for those who have put down deposits a month or two ago) will be the same when I buy one towards the end of the year.

Also the price will come down eventually. Maybe not by much, but definitely not about MSRP. Don't pay above the MSRP. The dealerships are already making good profits selling at MSRP.

 

Let's not forget the 2% dealer holdback. As much as 2% of the factory invoice is "earned" by the Acura dealer if they can move inventory quickly. This is why dealers advertise deals on new cars that say things like "ONE PENNY OVER INVOICE". I may not have all the facts, but I believe the dealer has 90 days to move inventory and earn the "hold back". The longer it takes, the less hold back they get from Acura.

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2001 TL Silver w/ Black Leather
CL-S Wheels w/Pilots
Alpine CD Changer
Burlwood Shift Knob

 

Acura can raise the price during the model year. This is commonly done with the domestics. They raise prices at new model introduction (ususally not by much to keep people happy), then raise again about Feb and then again in June. This way, you may pay more for a "new" car at the end of the year than at the beginning of the model year. Besides as soon as the next model year comes out, the previous year model drops a lot because it is now "a year old". I have not kept up with Acura pricing over the years but I would think that this is also true for Acura-slight but steady price increases. Just another thought to consider.

 

There are also people, like me, who need a new car now because their existing ones are falling apart. The more I wait, the more money I have to spend on keeping the old car alive. I might as well spend this money on the premium for the TLS.
It is human nature for someone to find reasons to justify and reinforce his/her actions. For those who will buy new cars to replace their old ones will find reasons how the new cars are better. But for those who don't want to buy new cars because they have recently bought one will find reasons how the new cars are not much better.

 

huh?

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2001 TL Silver w/ Black Leather
CL-S Wheels w/Pilots
Alpine CD Changer
Burlwood Shift Knob

 

LOL, I had the same reaction



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1998 Acura CL 3.0 (Iced Blue) ** Some mods, but who cares,
I want a Type-S... (CL or TL)!!

Moderator - 1st Gen Forum @ www.acura-cl.com

 

You will probably get 1000 to 1500 off after 6 month if Acura keeps up the production.
Now, would I pay 1500 bucks for 6 months of owning a new car that has everything I want?
You bet I will. That's dirt cheap.

 

I think that too much attention is being given to MSRP. MSRP is, after all, just an arbitrary estimate by the manufacturer of the fair market value (FMV) of the car. If the manufacturer sets the MSRP below FMV, then buyers will be willing to pay higher than MSRP (e.g. MDX). If MSRP is set higher than FMV, then buyers will be able to negoiate a sale price lower than MSRP (e.g. CL). In other words, the price paid for a car is a function of the supply/demand curve...not the MSRP. So, if I pay MSRP (or more) for a car, am I getting screwed? Of course not...I'm paying what I consider to be FMV.

(As an aside, I think Honda does a much better job at pegging its MSRP to actual FMV--think TL, MDX, Odyssey.)

Turning a blind eye to MSRP, here's my situation: I need a new car within a month; I have $30k-$32k to spend; I want a car that combines some amount of luxury with good performance; I need a sedan; I want a well-built car. I'll choose the car that best meets these criteria--it doesn't matter what MSRP is. I feel much better paying MSRP for the TL-S vs. getting a below MSRP "deal" for a Lexus ES300.

OK, now feel free to respond with a "huh".

 

I kinda agree with EdwardrsTL if you are in need of a new car why wait.The warranty on the car will cover any defect. I don't think you will see any real price cut in the first year.I think the TL Type S will be a hot seller better than the CL or CL Type S.The Acura Dealers dont't have to worry about this car selling.They will just sit back & wait for the fools to come.I will take a look at this long rumored car that is now a fact. I will be one of you that said what if I waited.I also will be one that will be driving something new in 5yrs & they will have thier mouths open.


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2000 3.2TL Nighthawk Black/Ebony/Navigation/ Optional Factory Chrome Multi Spoke 16" Wheels/Factory Underbody Kit/Factory Spoiler/Moonroof Visor/Factory 6-CD Changer/Trunk Mat/Factory Black Wheel Well Trim/Clifford IG8000 Alarm System w/add-ons/%51 Tint/Weathertech Floormats /Michelin Arcctic Alpin Winter Tires on Stock Wheels/Factory Car Cover/Factory Gold Emblems Grille & Exhaust Tips

 

After hearing about how many people seem to be eager to get the TL-S (putting down deposits, expressing their expectation of a lead time, etc.) I get the feeling it may not be so easy to get that $32K sports sedan you want within the next two months. Will there be a shortage of TL-Ss, like with the MDX?

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2001 TL Silver w/ Black Leather
CL-S Wheels w/Pilots
Alpine CD Changer
Burlwood Shift Knob

 

I don't know if there will be a shortage per say, but it's going to be tight. Put it this way, I want one in June/July and my dealer suggested I drop a deposit down. That was in the beginning of Feb.!!



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1998 Acura CL 3.0 (Iced Blue) ** Some mods, but who cares,
I want a Type-S... (CL or TL)!!

Moderator - 1st Gen Forum @ www.acura-cl.com

 

it seems like most of you guys have been waiting for awhile. i called my salesman from Rallye Acura in Roslyn NY, and he said MY car is going to be built on Mar 15, and is going to be at his lot late march. sorry if i'm rubbing it in, i'm not, just letting you guys know.....


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98 Lexus LS400
Soon: TL-S W/Nav