jwskier187

Okay so I was driving my dads '05 RL and noticed that when you drive using the teptronics it does not shift out of first on its own like my '00 TL does. Is there any way possible to make my TL work the same way? The auto shift annoys me.

fsttyms1

Nope. Its built into the ECU, and we cant reprogram it.

Blazing GT

Enough said

co1063

i used to hate it, but now i like it because when i accidentally leave it in SS mode and don't know it, it goes into 2nd by itself, which is a little better than staying in first.

if you really want to shift, then buy a manual.

fsttyms1

Yea till you start driving down the HWY and burn up your trans.

Bouncing off your revlimiter and or jerking forward because it didnt shift would be MUCH better a feature to let people who "forgot" remember that they are in SS

'03TL-S

iTrader: (10)

I just not use the SS mode. When you wanna race gate shift it.

fsttyms1

SS mode was designed for back country curvy roads.

jwskier187

ya the only manual i get to drive is my dads TR-6 which is fun but the starters shot at the moment

Sorry if this is dumb but whats gate shifting?

01tl4tl

gate shifting is to use the regular D side of the shifter, and slip the handle forward when you want to shift gears- that will allow you to stay in 1st if you want
While it may seem like a good idea- try it when parked- you can slide the shifter into Nuetral pretty easy- that would be a bad situation on the road.
Sort of like the 6speed manual driver who finds 2nd gear looking for 4th and shoots about 3 or more exhaust valves into the pistons!!

Drag racing is different and not part of this discussion
The other thing of note would be that the trans on a TL is electronic signal controlled.
Both sides of the shifter operate the exact same micro switches located underneath the shifter console, there is no cable and rod set up like old school cars.
So what benefit to gate shift (exception drag racers) is there?
Am I not understanding something?

The auto upshift 1st-2nd, on some years and models- protects you in case you hop off the freeway in SS mode, and enter a parking lot- not thinking to shift- it gets into 2nd on its own.

jwskier187

oh. Is that bad for the tranny?

TOTAL~LUSH

i dont get it. my 03 type S will shift at redline in first to second in SS mode so why would you need to gate shift?

Aman

That would actually be worse because now you have the gear spinning faster than the crank, accelerating it, while shifting into neutral there's just less resistance.

01tl4tl

you slip that thing into nuetral at revs and it will spike the rpm big time- hopefully the rev limiter catches it and does the bada badadadada-
but you are outside the normal parameters at that point so I dont know what the computers reaction to it would be
6MT cars have no over rev protection on downshifts- they are on their own- so catching 2nd from 3rd at redline will pop over 8000+++ rpms for a moment- or longer-
and with zero clearance engines- the valves float a little at that rpm- crud on the pistons and valves (non seafoam users) makes everything a little closer together and BAM!!!!
you have contact of piston to valve -- usually several of them, and about 2800+ to fix

01tl4tl

to answer the original thread topic-

When you come to a stop while in SS mode- the trans auto shifts into first gear for you.
Some years, while in SS mode, will auto shift 1st to 2nd for you as you accelrate-
the rest of the gears are your duty to control
Then at some point- acura decided if you were in SS- you are in total control- so it no longer autoshifts 1st to 2nd as you hit the parking lot.
That loud noise is the engine at 20 mph in 1st gear!

fsttyms1

Because it wont stay in 1st, it will automatically shift, plus you can edge out 1-200 more if done properly and keep you further into vtec/your powerband. Not to mention most people arent lucky enough for it to go to redline. most have it shift early in SS, AND gate shifting shifts faster than the SS

bibledriver

The irony! Makes me so mad! Or if you want to downshift, say doing 55, into 2nd, SS won't do it, unless you downshift, take foot off gas all the way, then you gotta slam it to the floor, or it will have slammed into second with no gas to match! Or you could gate shift and it will obey your command. Annoying.

bibledriver

if shifting into neutral, computer limits, when downshifting to second the only limit is how fast driver figures it out (hopefully not to far into the red) and smashes the clutch back down.

fsttyms1

blkaspec

EDIT!!!! Sorry, i didnt know this was a 2G thread, but i will still leave my response


This "at some point" is the 07+ years, i think that is because they upgraded to the RL transmission. Which i think might answer one of the questions that stupid thread asking "how fast can a 07+ non type-s tl go" brought up, which was "did all 07+ TL get the RL transmission".

Sorry, a bit off topic, but i was just trying to connect some dots here...

rob-2

If you're in SS mode, you should know what to do. There is no point in have SS mode and auto shifting.

I have mixed feelings about the auto 1-2 in my 00 TL. I frankly prefer if it was just straight manual operations. Rather seems like a 'semi' controlled position. There is also no way to drop it into 1st should you want to do that prior to WOT that will force the car to shift into 1st. By then of course the car waited to determine what you were doing. IMHO loosing the major benefit to SS mode all together.

bibledriver

don't think they changed the tranny (think AWD), just reprogrammed PCM, it also has throttle match and faster reaction to commands (bout time, slow trannies).

blkaspec

"5-SPEED SEQUENTIAL SPORTSHIFT AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
Both the TL and TL Type-S receive an all-new 5-speed automatic transmission for 2007. With a 4-shaft design with higher torque capacity, it is more robust than its predecessor, but also more compact. It also features slightly revised ratios, new shift control logic for each model and Grade Logic Control and, on the Type-S, steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters. Mechanically related to the transmission that made its debut in the 2005 RL, the 2007 TL unit has modifications to adapt it to the front-wheel drive TL platform.
Designed for low maintenance and a high level of durability, the TL transmission requires no scheduled service until 120,000 miles. To provide strong off-the-line acceleration coupled with a relaxed, fuel-efficient cruising rpm, the unit has one of the widest gear ratio spreads of any 5-speed automatic transmission in its class."

fsttyms1

Related, not the exact same

jwskier187

ok so what do most of you guys drive with? auto, SS, gate? And I'm still confused with this gate stuff. Do i just shift using the D1, D2... or what.

fsttyms1

Depends on what your doing. SS wasn't designed for drag racing, it was designed for back road driving so that you could hold a gear easier(like stated before) Normal driving just use D5.

Gate shifting is just that. Shift it down through the gate (hence gate shifting) to D1 and shift up from there (best used for 1/4 mile racing)

6MTUA5

iTrader: (2)

I'm glad I don't have to worry about any of this any more .



...and the 4 spd trans from the 99s doesn't auto shift into second either.

fsttyms1

Wanna race and see who can redline 1st faster

6MTUA5

iTrader: (2)

That would actually be pretty interesting. I still think you'd get through VTEC and hit the real redline before mine even got to my "redline" .