I wasn't going to post this but what the hell...

I'm at a red light and a black TLS pulls up next to me. There were two guys in the car ( they both looked like early 20's). Anyway green light and they take off, but I don't pay any attention and just cruise. We get stuck at the very next light and this time I decide I'm gonna "GO". BTW, I'm in Pittsburgh due to work so I don't know these roads too well. Anyway, light turns green and we both take off, I'm ahead the whole time and I'd say around 60-65mph but just up ahead I notice that the lane turns into 1 and the TLS has to merge into my lane. Initially I kept going and so did the TLS, but they didn't appear to slow down as the lane was ending and the jersey wall was getting close. I'm like WTF, so I slow down but to my surprise they do too almost simultaneously and my instinct was to swerve off to the side of the road (bunch of rocks and dirt...I have my Hamanns on ) I hear a loud screech and and BAM, they hit the jersey wall and bounced off and ended up like I'd say 15 to 20 feet in front of my car. I didn't know what to do so I get back on the road and just take off just incase a cop came and decides tow write both of us a ticket.

Needless to say, man that was wayyyyy too close. I think my racing days are seriously over.

My Hamanns are slightly scratched now

WTF was the dude thinking?????????????

 

that guy is simply dumb....... he should've slowed down much sooner coz' he has to merge in not you..... i think you were right to go on, coz' otherwise the cop would definitely give you a ticket as well for road contest....

sorry about your scratch man, but that's still better than coliding with that TLS.......

btw, you also have TLS?

 

That does sound close. Be careful out there on the road man I am glad everything came out okay.

 

when you race... you cant endanger others as well as yourself. if someone is tryin to make the pass and kinda close..always let them go... but if you are ahead and they are still going at it.. then its theri bad not to stop... seems like kinda close call for you huh... sorry it has to happen to another family memeber.. but racing is pure judgement and hopethe guy that crash is aiigh and hope he is not on this frum or he will be PISSED

BG

 

fu@k that foo, he hit the wall not you, do you have a pic of your car with the Hamanns?

 

I really hope the dude who crashed his car is not this forum.

 

lmao, that would be some funny s#it if he is on this forum, if he is, post some pics of your car now, and let us know what you were thinkin, break it down for us.

 

i bet everything the guy wouldn't post or say anything if he's on the board as well... think about what kind of response he would get

 

 

AC,

Sorry to hear that the Hammans are scratched... that TLS is just stupid......

rominl,

AC had a TLS... I think he was driving his 540i when that Black TLS tried to race....

Andy Kuo

 

AC has a 540 now.

BTW, that TL-S driver is a freaking idiot.

Rule #1:
If you are ahead in a race going towards a merge in the road, speed up to make sure you beat the slower guy to the merge.

Rule #2:
If you are losing in a race going towards a merge in the road, slow down or just get behind the faster guy.

 

i figured that, i want to see what his car looks like though

 

You know, I didn't even get to see the actual damage. After further looks of my wheels after washing them, they're not that bad at all...just a few minor scratches but still, these wheels are new

Actually, too bad for that idiot. I mean WTF was he thinking. I know I would have slowed down if I was losing.

 

I'll get flamed for this, but what the heck...

Notwithstanding the other driver's poor judgment or lack of concentration that led to his car's demise, I will say that you (AC) are partially--if not indirectly--to blame for his mishap because:

--You yourself gave the impression that you knew you might have had a hand in the mishap. You said so yourself--you didn't want to stick around in case a cop showed up and wrote the two of you a traffic ticket. If you believed you did nothing wrong, then the decent thing you could have done was to at least stop to see if the other driver was okay (I assume you didn't do so because you said you got back on the road and took off after the other car came to a stop in front of you).

--You weren't exactly any more smarter than the other guy; either that or you must have a lot of confidence in your driving abilities to race in a city whose roads you yourself said you didn't know too well.

--In just about every "race", it takes at least two participants to race. Given this statement, one would think that you would not be totally absolvable of any blame. No, you didn't directly caused the accident, but you were a contributing factor to it. Why? Somehow, under normal circumstances I don't think he would have crashed there and then if he wasn't racing. Sure, the other guy wasn't forced to race but you each "influenced" the other to race (you both took off the second time).

Having said all that, I will give you credit for one thing--at least you realized that you probably knew better and (hopefully) won't pull any racing stunts like that again. Think about it--what if the other driver had died or appeared to have been seriously hurt? Would you still drive away without checking on him just because you felt that you didn't cause him to crash?

Tony

P.S.: Just so that you don't think I don't have a heart--I'm glad you and your car came out of it relatively unscathed.

 

I appreciate you P.S. comment thus I disagree in majority of what you said. I didn't take it the wrong way whatsoever, and two if the accident was much worse (ie the car flipped or something, ofcourse I would have stopped) however, I feel I kinda did him a favor by leaving cuz if I stopped to help and a cop came who knows what he would have said.

As far as contributing to this idiot's lack of judgement, I don't feel I had anything to do with it. He's a grown man and has a mind of his own and could have easily not taken off from the light, two, admit his defeat and slowed down, three, reliazed that his TLS couln't f$ck with a 540i (just kidding )

I really don't know if he was seriously hurt but I hope he's okay and learned from this as I sure as hell did.

 

AC--I apologize if I implied that you contributed to the other guy's lack of judgment--I didn't mean that at all; like I said, no one told or forced him to race you. I was trying to say that in a situation like what you experienced--if a cop saw any of this, you'd still be busted for some serious charge because he'd be looking at the entire picture, not just the end result. Do you think that he'll just let you go just because you tell him that you can't help it that the other guy crashed due to poor judgment? I know this is all moot, but if the other guy died I would imagine that he'd probably cite you for more than just a speeding ticket or reckless driving. You may get out of it but it would be better that you don't get yourself in such a situation to begin with.

Tony

 

AC, does your 540 have the 6-speed manual?

 

AC,
All I can say is karma. You incriminated yourself by telling us your story. If ppls follow up on this you can be charge much worst than just reckless driving. Hit and run is a felony. Even if it isn't your fault now it is since you did a hit and run.

Mr.T

 

Man that's sucks. Hope you don't talk **** @ the bimmer boards and think all TLS drivers are that stupid... Sorry to hear about your wheels and I'm glad you are ok.

 

Hit and Run??? But AC never touched the other car

 

hit and run?!?!?! what did i miss? AC didn't even hit the other guy, it's the other guy hitting the wall himself. i don't know if anyone could do anything except street contest.

 

you made a beautiful TL TYPE-S slam into a wall and you were worried about scratching ur rims? lets blow his car up!

 

So did you get this from the rocks? Even though, AC took off and that is bad. Now the guy can make up whatever story he wants.
I guess I misread Plus AC doesn't even know if the guy is ok. That's a moral question. That's just bad karma coming your way. Plus AC could be charge not just with reckless driving. He could be charge alot of other things for causing the accident on purpose or not. I'm not a lawyer but sobody got hurt. I remeber a few months ago a two cars were racing and one lost control(both passenger died) in that car. The other driver was charge for manslaughter(did he hit anything, NO). Than you probably said so it's better that AC left the seen but if he gets caught there is no plead bargain really cause it's like a case close when you run.

Mr.T

 

I really hope the other person is OK. Someone raced me once in a different car. Not even a real race, just a sprint really.

So I take it from 25 to 55mph, speed limit is 45, I'm winning so stop again right away, knowing this is not the time or place to go all out, and it was just to show him what it could do. He keeps going, blasts by me like most ricers and crashes into another car that pulled infront of his lane. Hit so hard, the other little car tilted forward. I kept going, but felt bad right away (not that it was my fault, but felt bad about if he was ok or not) so I made a loop, checked that everything was fine. He was and the other car to, someone called the po po, and after that I was on my way.

We can be hard on AC, but its hard to say what YOU will really do if something like that really takes place. Its kinda of the moment type of thing. Many hit and runs were not bad people ever doing anything wrong before, just that fear and your instincts take over. Not saying its right, nor is leaving someone that may be hurt if you were involved or not. Its wrong wrong wrong, just saying why people due it.

Now did I make him crash? No. I see ACs point here, but its wrong to just take off like that.

 

Well, I truly hope he is ok. If he is ok, shame on him.

Not a lawyer either, but I did call my brother in law (who is a cop) and he said that their is virtually nothing anyone can do to me at this point, UNLESS, there were other witnesses (other cars) that can claim I hit him. BTW, according to him, this is not even close to hit and run.

Yeah, everyone's right, I should have seen if he was ok, but then, most people (not all) would have done what I did.

Oh, my 540i is automatic.

 

Ofcourse not!

I only go to bimmer.org for info and hardly ever post there. This is my home for all forums eventhough I don't own a TL anymore, I feel I can share with you guys where the other forums (just my opinion) well.... no comment.

 

For shame!

 

I know, I know, what was I thinking?

Nah, actually, the 540 was for my wife originally and she decided she didn't want it after about a month so I took it over.

 

Steptronic??? I actually heard many preferring the auto over the 6-speed... unless you always do speed romps, the 6th gear is useless...

 

You guys--notwithstanding the fact that AC was indirectly involved (for those of you who feel that AC didn't do anything wrong) in the other guy crashing his car, I doubt that anything he said on this board can be used as incriminating evidence in a court of law.

Second--we don't really know whether or not the other driver was injured; remember, AC didn't stop to check up on the other driver. I can only assume that the other guy wasn't hurt, otherwise I would imagine that AC probably wouldn't be chatting on the board right now. I don't know the exact law for PA but I do know that in California, failure to immediately stop at the scene of an accident resulting in injury or death to any person other than himself and fulfill the required obligations (call police, file report, etc.) is a serious offense punishable by jail time and/or fine.

This is why it's always important to stop if you were involved in an accident, directly or otherwise--since the law (at least CA law) doesn't explicitly distinguish in such situations as to whether you think that it wasn't your fault that someone else was hurt, just that since you were involved, you have a legal obligation to check up on the other party.

Tony

 

I think this shows a real character flaw. Regardless if he had bad judgment you should have stopped to make sure he was okay! Why? Because he was a fellow human being. I don't care if he was stupid, driving a TL or a BMW. All that is mute. You were more concerned with yourself not getting into trouble(and your car) than you were with a human life. I think that's very sad.

You might have learned that racing is not safe but you have failed to learn the most important lesson and that's how precious life is. Unfortunately, that can't be taught. You just give a damn about other people's lives or you don't.

I'm shocked how much sympathy you are getting on this forum for your actions. Im beginning to wonder what type of people belong to this forum.

Anyway, I'm glad you are okay and I hope the other guy is too.

 

Welcome to reality....this happens all the time. Some huge Dodge Ram pickup flew through a red light and almost nailed me. I was so glad my TL can move. Dude didn't stop to apologize for almost killing me....he didn't even slow down.

 

Unfortunately, this is so often very true; however, just because it happens all the time doesn't mean that we should accept it as okay, or that someone could justify his actions by saying that "hey, it happens all the time so what's the big deal?"

Just that there's no misunderstanding as to where I stand on this issue--IMO AC used poor judgment in not checking on the other guy; understandable but still, a poor choice on his part. However--to his credit he admitted as much, plus he also realized that putting himself in a situation that may turn out to have dire consequences wasn't the wisest thing to do, so I'll let it stand at that.

Tony

 

I can't say leaving the scene of an accident is okay.
Let's say he stopped and went to check on the guy. The guy is okay but he's really angry because he ruined his ride and got his ass handed to him. Then the guy might want to sue him.....I'm sure there's at least a couple of lawyers who would take the case. And when the cops show up, they'd probably create even more problems.
"No good deed goes unpunished" - Murphy's Law

 

Evolaerok, no 6pd and not Step. BTW, are you Korean? If so, Anyong!

Oh yeah, dude send me your resume. I know a sh1t load of Lucent and AVAYA Director/Executives in the Denver area cuz I use to work for their sorry @ss!

Now back to the topic. IMO, I don't think I used poor judgement. I was just being me, and decided to race. If he didn't wreck and I posted I won/lost then it wouldn't have been a poor judgement right? Not trying to dis at all, so please don't take it the wrong way.

 

**** people, if you race you take the risk.

the guy in the tl raced and so did AC they both took the risk.

its just that the stupid fooker didn't realize when to quit.

 

All I can say is that they're completely retarded...as for you moving on I'd say it was the right thing...in the sense that had you pulled over...what could you have done? I'm sure they just claimed they lost control of the car to the officer and insurance...better for them anyway

Austin519

 

people, there are two things in the world that never mix, theories and realty.

 

Yes I am Korean, are you? I will send a resume soon, but I'd rather rest right now. After being fired, I feel soooooo relaxed. My parents are paying me alright right now. Family business is so relaxing compared to corporate management. By the way I'm on your side. I know where you are coming from, these other guys need to be in the situation to actually know what was going through your mind...

 

Ummmmmmmm..How about stop to see if the guy was seriously injured? How about calling 911 if he was. How about saving the guys life?

If any one of you guys hit a pedestrian by accident would you run from the scene or would you try to help?

If any one of you witnessed a complete stranger with a serious medical condition would you stop to help are just go on with your business? AC, went on with his business without regard to human life. He admitted the guy could have been seriously injured. How can anyone say he did the right thing?