New project underway: 99TL w/TypeS intake manifold

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Old 11-03-2005, 10:31 PM
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New project underway: 99TL w/TypeS intake manifold

Not aware that this has been attempted before...

Purchased it on the black market from another member. Need to order a few parts, bypass valve actuator and an rpm switch but then it's full steam ahead.

Once I get it installed and tested, the car is going to get dyno tuned. I've had my VAFC installed for over year and now I finally feel like I've done enough mods to get it tuned.

I already have a TypeS throttle body so the only piece left is a TypeS CAI.

Updates soon.
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wow sounds interesting - but will it help? i mean the TLS is tuned so much different. What all can you change with your VAFC?
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VAFC: Air and fuel, VTEC engagement point
I expect to see a nice low-end gain. How much? I've read the Accord owners see a decent increase.

And the TLS is not that different from the TLP. Intake tract is a big part of the power gain and that's my goal.
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Good luck with that
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yea keep us updated, sounds very interesting
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finally!!!! ... i wanna do this too... i just hope it all works out!
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Yeah i have been wanting to do this for sometime now, but I haven't really read up on it. Are you going to post a DIY when your finish with this? I would really like to know what pieces I would need to put this whole thing together! Thnx
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Cool. Keep us updated.
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Can't wait to see the results! One more potential mod for us 99 TL-P owners!
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Hells Yea!
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You will write a DIY ?
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post pics of both of them side by side, I would just like to see the difference. Also, do you need the 2 stage intake system that the type s uses to make this all work? I mean that other throttle body looking piece.
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Originally Posted by ou sig
post pics of both of them side by side, I would just like to see the difference. Also, do you need the 2 stage intake system that the type s uses to make this all work? I mean that other throttle body looking piece.
the 2nd stage is part of the inner intake manifold. you will need a rpm switch or a vtec controler (if you can get it to work) to activate the 2 stages of it. the other part of the TB is strictly for the VSA which you wouldnt need.
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DIY will be coming. The only thing tricky is figuring out when to open the 2nd stage. Everything else is simple bolt-ons.

Oh that and making sure I can close my hood.
Old 11-05-2005, 05:46 PM
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isnt it around 3k? and it should fit under the hood, it does on the TL-S
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Didn't they raise the hood level along with the front facelift on the '02s?

My brother had an 00 TL and I could swear they increased the hood clearance on my '02 TL-S.
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Originally Posted by fla-tls
Didn't they raise the hood level along with the front facelift on the '02s?

My brother had an 00 TL and I could swear they increased the hood clearance on my '02 TL-S.

That's what I'm thinking. Only one way to find out.
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hood scoop!
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Originally Posted by PenancE
hood scoop!

If that's the only remedy, the IM will be packed up and sold to an 02-03 TL owner.
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Originally Posted by NSXNEXT
If that's the only remedy, the IM will be packed up and sold to an 02-03 TL owner.
Ill make it FIT!
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Originally Posted by PenancE
hood scoop!
A TL with a hood scoop! HA HA HA

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i don't think a nicely done hood scoop would look bad at all IMO. Good luck on getting everything to work and fit properly it would a great mod for 99tl owners.
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BTW where and how much did you pay for the type s TB and IM?
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Bought the TB from a junkyard on the web. Paid $125 shipped.
Bought the IM from a member of the board. I still need to buy a few parts, BVA and gaskets. Will probably cost me ~$300 for everything.
Old 11-06-2005, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by NSXNEXT
Bought the TB from a junkyard on the web. Paid $125 shipped.
Bought the IM from a member of the board. I still need to buy a few parts, BVA and gaskets. Will probably cost me ~$300 for everything.
what kind of gains are expected
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Originally Posted by NSXNEXT
If that's the only remedy, the IM will be packed up and sold to an 02-03 TL owner.
If it doesn't fit I'll gladly take it off your hands

You gonna tune your VAFC after you get the manifold installed? Would probably be a good time and I'm sure there is some power to be gained considering your cramming more air into the chamber.
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Yeah Brett, I figure it's time to actually see what tuning can do with all my mods.
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Will you put OE spacers at the same time ? or just check if the hood close before ?
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Originally Posted by MrAlex
Will you put OE spacers at the same time ? or just check if the hood close before ?
He already has OE spacers.
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Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
He already has OE spacers.
Unfortunately I have the TLP intake manifold spacer so I will probably sell that one and get the TypeS one. I already have the TypeS TB spacer.
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Originally Posted by NSXNEXT
Unfortunately I have the TLP intake manifold spacer so I will probably sell that one and get the TypeS one. I already have the TypeS TB spacer.
I'm pretty sure the TL-P mani spacer will work since your not changing the lower manifold and the holes are only as big as that is.

Also there is a guy with TL-S heads with 30k miles whos trying to sell them. Hes letting go for a decent price too (about 2.5x what you paid for the Mani). Would definetly give some decent gains.
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Interesting. THe lower part of the intake manifold (or injector base) Is the same between the CL and CL-S, yet different between a TL-S and CL-S. The TL-S is also different from the regular TL base and obviously different from the 99 TL base.
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Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
Interesting. THe lower part of the intake manifold (or injector base) Is the same between the CL and CL-S, yet different between a TL-S and CL-S. The TL-S is also different from the regular TL base and obviously different from the 99 TL base.
Where have you found that info?
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Where have you found that info?
www.acuraautomotiveparts.org

Just going by parts numbers though.
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Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
www.acuraautomotiveparts.org

Just going by parts numbers though.
yes the part #s are different , but i dont believe that the actuall manifolds are different. Awhile back i and nsx next kinda looked into different manifolds. I looked into the MDX, and Pilot and Odyssey manifolds. they all seemed to have different part #'s but were the same. I also bougt a set of gaskets thet went between the upper and lower manifolds for the pilot and ody (which had different part #s and they matched up with our lower mani gaskets
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
yes the part #s are different , but i dont believe that the actuall manifolds are different. Awhile back i and nsx next kinda looked into different manifolds. I looked into the MDX, and Pilot and Odyssey manifolds. they all seemed to have different part #'s but were the same. I also bougt a set of gaskets thet went between the upper and lower manifolds for the pilot and ody (which had different part #s and they matched up with our lower mani gaskets
From what I gathered, the big difference was the IM spacer on the MDX and Pilot. Don't know about the Odyssey.

Hopefully I can find some time to get this installed. Still need to order the bypass valve and an rpm switch.
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Originally Posted by NSXNEXT
From what I gathered, the big difference was the IM spacer on the MDX and Pilot. Don't know about the Odyssey.

Hopefully I can find some time to get this installed. Still need to order the bypass valve and an rpm switch.
Yea, Now you just need to find a hr or so and unbolt and rebolt to see if every thing fits and bolts up!
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Another difference is the funnels that are inside the front and rear chamber. They seem to be much wider on the MDX.

I think while I have the CLS IM off the car, I'm going to do a little polishing of the runners.

Oh that and taking car of my 2 yr old and my wife that is due with our 2nd the end of December.

I'll see if I can do a test fit this weekend.
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Originally Posted by NSXNEXT
Another difference is the funnels that are inside the front and rear chamber. They seem to be much wider on the MDX.

I think while I have the CLS IM off the car, I'm going to do a little polishing of the runners.

Oh that and taking car of my 2 yr old and my wife that is due with our 2nd the end of December.

I'll see if I can do a test fit this weekend.
If you were closer id come give you a hand. I did it to mine. it was pretty easy (just took a lil time)


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