Jerry944T

I was minding my own business on a 4 lane divided highway when this bright blue Neon with a wing blasted by me. It was an SRT-4.
Luckily there was a red light and so we both jumped at the green. I got him by about 1/2 length initially and then he started to gain just a bit untill he had to shift when he dropped back to my rear bumper. I just kept my foot in it and he started to gain just a bit again, untill he had to shift when he dropped back again. I quit at about 80 and had him by about a car length and a half.
I didn't even know that the car existed until tonite and I was surprised at the amount of performance he had for the price. I don't know if he was stock since his pipes were quite loud.
He shifted well but my automatic did have the advantage during the shifts, otherwise it would have been dead even. He seemed to have a bit more power at his very top end but I had a better mid range.
Anyone else come up against one of these little tigers?
BTW my TL-S is bone stock, had a full tank of fuel and was carrying about 150 pounds of baggage plus my weight which is 220.
Jerry

rrdy

Good win, but i think the driver of the SRT-4 doesn't know how to drive, i'm pretty sure that little neon is faster than our Tls, which sucks.

ndawood

i doubt you were up against an srt4... those things are quick and even if we have an SC we will have a hard time keeping up with those...

the guy u were running with probably didnt know how to drive...

ive raced a stock srt 4 and with my mods it beat me.... those things are fast.....

bumski667

yea...those things run 12s at 20gs...amazing...

@cUr@-TL

02Type S

yea he doesnt know how to drive...he should have took u

darkfox12

12 seconds stock or 12 seconds with a few mods???? That seems really damn fast for such little money.

elah

srt4s are pretty quick and very lite, i'm sure he was prob carrying people weight makes those things slooooow

touchdown

SRT-4's should be in the low 14's stock not low twelves. The reason it probably sounded so loud is because the exhaust has no muffler IIRC.

REDLINEN

Ive seen thoose things run 12's at the import wars in newhampshire they will smoke a tl for sure!

Mongolian

probably a neon with an srt badge.... srt-4 = fast... faster than stock tl-s without a doubt

Jerry944T

Well I can say with some certainty it was a SRT-4. It had the cool viper seats and all. It was driven by a young guy who was alone. I had my wife and I'm MUCH older than him. I guess he didn't expect an older gentleman with his wife to have at it, hence the initial 1/2 car jump.

I watched his hood raise and lower in my rear-view and the guy was a slick shifter (an old trick from my road racing days) so I know he didn't miss any shifts. As I said he started to pull me in each gear just before he shifted.

I also know he wanted a re-match bad!! He kept dropping back and gunning it but traffic didn't allow another go at least as far as I was concerned. Besides he was already in my trophy case.

Next time I'll know better and be sure and loose for you doubters Or I'll just bring the Porsche and leave no doubts what so ever.

Jerry

scottosan

Go got lucky!!

2003
215 bhp @ 5200 rpm
245 lb-ft @ 3200 rpm

2004
230 bhp @ 5300 rpm
250 lb-ft @ 2200-4400 rpm

'03
C&D
0-60: 5.6
0-100: 13.8
0-130: 26.2
1/4 mile: 14.2 @ 102 mph
70-0: 165'
Skidpad: 0.84g

R&T
0-60: 5.6
0-100: 13.9
1/4 mile: 14.2 @ 101.5
60-0: 122'
Skidpad: 0.84g
700-ft Slalom: 64.8

Motor Trend
0-60: 5.4
1/4 mile: 13.9 @ 101.9
60-0: 112'
Skidpad: 0.86g
600-ft Slalom: 66.6


'04
C&D*
0-60: 5.3
0-100: 13.4
0-130: 24.8
1/4 mile: 13.9 @ 103
70-0: 169'
Skidpad: 0.86g

R&T**
0-60: 5.7
1/4 mile: 14.3 @ 100.9
60-0: 120;
Skidpad: 0.83g
Slalom: 64.9

MT
0-60: 5.5
1/4 mile: 13.99 @ 102.72
60-0: 112'
Skidpad: 0.85g
Slalom: 68.3

andytran

srt-4s run mid to low 14s but theres no way it can run 12s stocc.

2K2SilverTL-S

They are a low/mid 14 sec car. Figure the TL-S is a high 14 sec car. A non aggressive launch by the neon leads to some turbo lag and you even things up between the cars. Sounds very believable.

Hurleysurf24

guess he was horrendous at drivin

13.9 second car stock (ive seen em [pull 13.78 at the track stock)
against your 15.0 second car .... hmmmm

Hurleysurf24

andy and 2k2 ... they ran 14.2 in the 03' year now they have an LSD standard in the 04' model (the neon blue signifies that it is infact an 04)

even the 03' ive seen run 14.1

yield2s

I raced 1 3x in a row awile back and each time i got him by a car length up to 80mph(where i shut it down). On paper they have a killer time, but unless the driver's willing to tear up their clutch, they wont get it on the street. Same goes for WRXs and S2Ks.

1fasttl

Nice kill

jayhawk815

They are CAPABLE of getting those times, but they are difficult to produce without tearing up the transmission.

etxxz

^^not really...to get those times stock you gotta be a hell of a good shifter not to mention having a weather of under 60*F

And you dont tear up the clutch unless your a shitty shifter. If you ever had a manual car you'd know. *edit: i'd know '93 mis 3000GT VR-4 (twin turbo AWD 300hp 5sp)

Fast shifting when your running is just clutch in and clutch out (fast but not instantanious). Even outa first gear, rev up with no clutch to 2500-4500 (depending on the car/your experience lounching) clutch->1st and droping the clutch (not too fast though) There's really no need for burning tranny/clutch.

Jerry: i'd say that dud slid too much on the start or he's bad shifting because you were racing a car that would go face to face with a 350Z, G35 and a WRX.

I love that car btw...cool rims, cool breacks, cool huge FMIC, awesome sounding exhaust...but a very ugly dropped front look...Though its worth EVERY CENT.

yield2s

Even C&D noted when they pitted the Evo against the STI that the times abtained required a very abusive launch. Any high RPM cluch drop is just plain bad.

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

You are kidding right?







TL-S will have a very hard time keeping up with a SRT-4, VERY hard time. Even with I/H/E a bone stock SRT-4 is faster with the right driver. The amount of torque that little engine makes is awesome.

Jerry944T

Thanks to those that believed my story, it is true as stated. The times published by auto mags are a bit misleading compared to real world circumstances. First of all they do not own the cars so abuse is common to get best times. Secondly they have the luxury of repetition to get it just right. 5000RPM, drop clutch launches are common when testing.

Check my handle. I drive a turbo charged stick shift car. For many years in competition in fact. I know that it takes a great deal of skill to get the best acceleration out of the car. You've got to get a perfect, non abusive launch, then hit your shift points right on the money or you loose your boost. This means one eye on the tach.

In most instances a quick, automatic car, will take a stick every time if they are close to equal since the automatic absorbs a tremendous amount of the potential errors while the stick shift car has to do everything right and that only comes with a lot of practice.

This guy drove well but probably there was a bit of room for improvement. I don't doubt anyone who tells me his car is faster on a track, in a controlled situation but in the stop light Grand Prix he is very vulnerable as would be any stick shift turboed car.

Keep it safe.

Jerry

Hurleysurf24

wasnt vr4 6 speed .... ?

Tunaboy

I ran into one of the SRT-4's and it beat me by 2 car lengths. That thing tore me apart and I was completely stunned. He was bone stock with an upgraded ball-bearing turbo. His timings were off as well because when we both let off his car backfired two or three times. I wanted to laugh but I didn't since he blew the socks off of my TL. All I had at the time was a V2 CAI in a 99TL-P. Now it would be close with my crank pulley and headers. In a month Imma find him (he's at my school) and kill his car since I'm getting a 75 shot. But those cars are the bang for the buck for sure.

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

Stock... with an upgraded turbo?

etxxz

you are nowhere close with those mods...you might not be able to take a type-S yet. and when you can, you gotta reduce like an extra 1/2 sec in you 0-60 to face the neon!

powerwise you might be just there...but you gotta 4spd...same here exept i can beat a stock -S

one dumb question...
'94 up's gotta 6spd. 93 down has 5spd

NOT "wasnt" this vr-4 runs amazingly and would tear apart that neon...not to mention what it would do to a TL...roadkill

SuperCoupe93

I'm guessing it was an SRT-4 with a driver that didn't know what he was doing behind the wheel. If it was a plain jane Neon or an SXT, even with basic mods, a stock TL-S should be able to crush it. For it to stay right with you, and even pull on you a bit, my guess is that it was an SRT-4.

Tunaboy

First off for a fact I can take a Type-S because I've raced one and beat it. Second I'd have to take a hell of a lot more than 1/2 sec off my 0-60 to defeat the neon. Try 1 or 2 seconds. TL-P 0-60 15.8 Neon SRT-4 14.3 seconds I've got a long way to go. Nitrous is my answer, and it will still be close.

izzo

my brothers 1990 lexus ls 400 beat one.............and i beat my bro..........barley...........only mod is an aem v2 cai. diff cars diff night diff drivers, i know, but u get the idea.......02 tl

ndawood

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153253

for whoever is interested go through that post... you will see that it takes alot to beat one of those things..... the driver must have been really bad....

izzo

u probably right ndawood but a win is a win. unfortunatly i was beat by an eclipse spyder the other day. he said he didnt have turbo. we launched at the same time and stayed neck and neck until around third............he just pulled on me at 80mph. oh well, ill be hunting heads when im done w/my mods

izzo

oh yeah FUCK DODGE!!!

SuperCoupe93

I hear ya bro. I'd rather drive a slow Acura than a fast Piece of Shit

izzo

lol

ndawood

jayhawk815

What the hell are you talking about? You can take a Type-S? I assume you must be a
TL-P and with extensive mods. You definitely need to get your facts straight. If you can beat a Type-S, than you would NOT need to take off more than a 1/2 sec of your 0-60 time to beat a SRT-4. The times you quoted for a TL-P and a SRT-4 are 1/4 mile times, NOT 0-60 times. I hope you weren't sober when you "quoted" these facts. Usually, you are quite on.

Jerry944T

All this just proves that just because you own a fast car it doesn't mean you'll be fast in it. All the statistics in the world don't mean squat unless the drivers are robots
Jerry

Hobo

they can break into the 13's with a good driver, but even a bad one can pull low 14's all day.

with a few mods they are into the twelves, sick little cars