Made a couple of runs in MD this weekend

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Old 07-30-2001, 09:14 AM
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Made a couple of runs in MD this weekend

I was a part of a Natiowide Maxima meet that was held at 75-80 dragway in Monrovia, MD. The track isn't the best that I've run at, as it has a slight upgrade to it, as well as a dip or two. Small track, with a "home" type of atmosphere to it.
I only made two passes, and I didn't want to partake in the elimintations (didn't want to make the missus angry for leaving her alone too much).
The conditions weren't the same, it was about 85 drgrees on saturday, and at an elevation of about 500 ft (seemed higher than that to me, but I was told that was the elevation) I managed to run .3 slower than I do at E-town regularly. Some of that due to more weight (I had over 1/2 tank of fuel), and the higher temps.
Both runs were solidly in the 14.7 range. The first a 14.726 @ 94.42 mph with a 2.15 60 ft time, the second was a 14.711 @ 95.49 on a 2.11 60 ft time.
Considering that it was some 40 degrees hotter than my E-town runs, and the fact that I was about 50lbs heavier (gas and baggage in the trunk) and running on a slight uphill grade, I'm impressed. Since my E-town runs, I've added the aftermarket Bypass Valves and a drop in K&N filter. I think that back at E-town I'll be able to pull off a some 14.3's-14.2's with ease.
On both runs, I raced a guy in a Blue CL-S. Beautiful car. From start to finish I owned him. His best time was a 15.04 @94.35 on a 2.3 60 ft time. I killed him on the launch (.2 better 60 fit time) then right when I shifted second, he gained a little ground, but I already had about 4 cars on him.
I was surprised at how loud his car was, he might have had an intake on it, I could hear his engine growling from behind me.
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Nice, so were using VSA or VSA off?
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'00 models don't have any stability control

I have nothing to turn off or on. The quattro system won't allow for wheelspin, part of the system includes braking the spinning wheels, so anything other than a chirp will engage the brakes, and slow the car down.
The strip was not the best I've been on. On my second run, while on the starting line, I had to hold my foot on the brake to prevent from rolling backwards!! That's not easy to do when you're launching a stickshift vehicle (even though the track officials swear the track is level) When viewed from a distance, you can see that the track is a slight upgrade.
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Smile 1/4 mile times

I see all Mr Jim W. If one of ours cars post a time, a flag is automatically raised and flash traffic is at my computer within secs!!!! LOL. Bet you didnt take the spray bottle did you??
Nice times. The 60' foot needs some work, but that could be because of the uneven surface at the stage area. Same at Pomona, hard for the manuals, I know of some that use the e brake while they stage and launch. If you had that 60' time down to 2.0, you would have had your 14.5's in warm weather. And one of these days you will run on less than an 1/8 tank!!! Nice times again and the other car ran a 15. About a 3-4 car length difference?? Cant remember if you posted Top speed??
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JimW, that was you in the audio a6 2.7t? nice runs, i ended up running a 14.9 at 94 mph with sport shift mode, yea It was my first time drag racing, so my reaction times were horrible, I finally got more practice as the day went on and got it down to .650, that twin turbo really spanked me, all I have right now is Cold Air Intake, and yea that does make it much louder than stock, next time I run I will have headers, so I'll see how much it improves.
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can you two post the splits?? Just curious and Jim knows I keep a sheet on the A6 performance.
Got the temp, where the cars cold(not heat soaked/hot), octane?, spare in/out. launch rpms, course the Automatic, I think is limited to 2-2500 rpm's.
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Talking Ming, you know me all too well-->

you'd think that we were psychic blood brothers or something like that (remember DC Cab? I love that movie) LOL!!
You're right, I didn't remove the fogs or bring the spray bottle. I completely forgot. I actually forgot my tickets to the event, and had to spend $30 to make the 2 runs that I did. Because it was pretty warm (no info on the time slips, but the in car thermo showed 85 ish) I didn't want to abuse my baby so far from home (over 250 miles, and I hate walking)
I launched at 3000rpm, shifted at 6500 in 1st, and 2nd, I ran 3rd all the way to 7000, didn't shift to 4th. Engine was warm (only shut off for about 45 minutes after a 3 hr plus run on the interstate. I had a half tank (just over) of fuel, 93 octane Shell with 2.5 gals of Toluene for good measure. All items in the car, plus about 35-50 lbs of "stuff" (luggage). Considering all the above, I'm still excited, I'm 100% positive that back at E-town, I'll be seeing 14.2-14.3's (heck maybe even a 14.1). My launch was more conservative, and all the other factors were against me, and I only ran .3 off my times.
Here's my split times:
run 1:
RT: .650
60ft: 2.1550
330ft: 6.1754
1/8: 9.5362
1/4: 14.7264 @ 94.4253


run 2:
RT: .727
60ft: 2.1147
330ft: 6.1577
1/8 : 9.5222
1/4: 14.7111 @95.49

using the HP calculator and my race weight of 4080 lbs, It calculates 277hp (my actual weight was probably higher, since I had more fuel and stuff in the car, but I used it for arguements sake)

One of these days I'll stop sitting on my brain, and actually try to run on less than 1/4 tank, and I'll remember my darn SPRAY BOTTLE!!
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Hey Agean CL-S-->

I was up on the hill with all the Maximas. That was me you ran against. I thought you had some type of intake on that car, it sure screamed down the track.
Not bad for your first time at the track, not bad at all. I'm pretty experienced at the track, although not too experienced with this car. This car isn't really the best for the 1/4 mile, but it does ok. In a drag race, all this weight works against me, which is why I don't hammer the car trying to get out of the hole faster. I like my clutch, and I'd like to keep it for a while. 4000lbs+ with over 250hp through 4 wheels is a recipe for clutch flambe`.. (I hate that smell
Keep up the runs, just be sure to let your engine and tranny cool between runs, and if you plan to race it often, add an aftermarket tranny cooler.

BTW, a little tip:
Always take the first turnoff you can once you pass the traps.The car in the lane closest to the turnoffs needs to exit first to allow the other car ample time to slow down, turn, etc.
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Re: Hey Agean CL-S-->

Originally posted by JimW
...turnoffs needs to exit first to allow the other car ample time to slow down, turn, etc.
Jim,

Glad to see u got some good times. I'm going down to ETown this wed. to test out my CAI .. if u wanna join me there, i'd love to see if i can keep up with u on the track
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Can't make any promises-->

the closer I get to the wedding date, the more stuff that I have to do. I will do my best.. Besides, I'd like to get a few gallons of 112 octane in the tank

Watch out though, on the tarmac at E-town I can be dangerous..LOL!!
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Re: Can't make any promises-->

Originally posted by JimW
the closer I get to the wedding date, the more stuff that I have to do. I will do my best.. Besides, I'd like to get a few gallons of 112 octane in the tank

Watch out though, on the tarmac at E-town I can be dangerous..LOL!!
bring it on baby!

have u actually ran ur audi with 112 octane? i was wondering if it will make much of a difference, cuz i dont think the ecu is designed to take advantage of even 100 octane. maybe i'm wrong... and what about its effects on the engine? does it burn too hot?
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Ming, here's the splits for Aegean (hope you don't mind )-->

run 1:
RT: .8676
60ft: 2.3427
330ft: 6.4830
1/8: 9.8216
1/4: 15.0776
mph: 94.3560

run 2:
RT: 1.0600
60ft: 2.3407
330ft: 6.4607
1/8: 9.7804
1/4: 15.0409
mph: 92.1934

I heard that he made a run that was a 14.9, but I don't have that slip.
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JimW, thanks for the tips, I'll probably just run it everytime I mod it, so I can see the performace gains, mostly use it as a everyday driver, so I don't wanna kill the car either.
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never ran the car on that high an octane. Truth be told, I don't expect a huge difference, but I'd like to see some. A few gallons mixed with high octane pump fuel may release a few more ponies. Why? If the pump gas that I buy is supposed to be 94 octane, but it's actually a little lower (say 90), then the few gallons of 112 (or100) will boost the octane a little higher (say 94-96 octane)
If the ecu is tuned to run on 92 octane, and it's not getting 92 octane, then you may get some mild detonation. This will cause the ecu to retard spark advance, and you'll lose a little HP. How much? I couldn't say without testing. If the ecu needs 92 octane and I give it 94-96 octane, there should be no retarding of the spark, and I'll get all the HP that the engine can deliver. Also keep in mind that in hotter ambient temperatures, detonation will occur more easily, so higher octane will raise the temperature required before detonation will occur. The higher a fuels octane rating, the more resistant it is to pre-ignition.(detonation)
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I dont have the slip here at work, I'll post my 14.9 run when I get home.
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Re: Zodiak-->

Originally posted by JimW
never ran the car on that high an octane. Truth be told, I don't expect a huge difference, but I'd like to see some. A few gallons mixed with high octane pump fuel may release a few more ponies. Why? If the pump gas that I buy is supposed to be 94 octane, but it's actually a little lower (say 90), then the few gallons of 112 (or100) will boost the octane a little higher (say 94-96 octane)
If the ecu is tuned to run on 92 octane, and it's not getting 92 octane, then you may get some mild detonation. This will cause the ecu to retard spark advance, and you'll lose a little HP. How much? I couldn't say without testing. If the ecu needs 92 octane and I give it 94-96 octane, there should be no retarding of the spark, and I'll get all the HP that the engine can deliver. Also keep in mind that in hotter ambient temperatures, detonation will occur more easily, so higher octane will raise the temperature required before detonation will occur. The higher a fuels octane rating, the more resistant it is to pre-ignition.(detonation)
...which also means on turbocharged cars you can safely increase the boost a bit with race gas and not risk extremely high piston melting exhaust gas temps
also, leaded race gas will ruin your cat & o2 sensor(s)
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wait, 100+ octane gas is leaded?
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Originally posted by ZodiakTL
wait, 100+ octane gas is leaded?
It depends, race gas comes in both leaded & unleaded, but I most often see it in leaded only at most tracks. I guess b/c most race cars don't have a cat anyway.

I'm not so sure race gace will make much of a difference, if any at all, on a tl-s, but 94 octane mixed with some unleaded race gas certainly won't hurt. I think race gas is better suited for turbocharged & supercharged cars.

If you guys go to E-town, you should post, I'd like another trip to the track for some night racing.
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Sunoco GT100 and GT Plus are unleaded-->

and they are 100 and 104 octane. I will make a trip to E-Town and get a few gallons (E-town is only about 20 minutes from me). I'm not sure about tomorrow night, but I'll do my best.
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Originally posted by Turboara


It depends, race gas comes in both leaded & unleaded, but I most often see it in leaded only at most tracks. I guess b/c most race cars don't have a cat anyway.

I'm not so sure race gace will make much of a difference, if any at all, on a tl-s, but 94 octane mixed with some unleaded race gas certainly won't hurt. I think race gas is better suited for turbocharged & supercharged cars.

If you guys go to E-town, you should post, I'd like another trip to the track for some night racing.
Turboara,

i'm gonna be at etown tomorrow night, probably by around 7pm. if u wanna join, let me know, i'd love to run against another TLS. or if ur taking the eagle, i'll get my ass kicked

JimW,

Let me know if u'll be coming down, i wanna see what kind of numbers u'll get at etown
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Damn!!!

I'm working late all week

I should know tomorrow if I could split early from work, but it's not looking good.
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Originally posted by Turboara
Damn!!!

I'm working late all week

I should know tomorrow if I could split early from work, but it's not looking good.
well, last time i showed up there at around 8:30, and still got two runs. they wrap up at 10, so chances are, if u wanna stop by, u'll get to run.
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