jag vs tl
11-10-2001 | 11:23 AM
#41
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Originally posted by evolaerok
VW is one of the largest Auto company's in the world. They own Audi, Porsche, Lambo, and some other company's I forgot what else.
VW is one of the largest Auto company's in the world. They own Audi, Porsche, Lambo, and some other company's I forgot what else.
The Cayenne is a joint venture, not due to anybody owning who. Though there is related "family" in management of both companies.
11-10-2001 | 08:16 PM
#43
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Originally posted by TUFF GONG
Porsche is not owned by V-Dub. It is still one of the remaining small private company.
The Cayenne is a joint venture, not due to anybody owning who. Though there is related "family" in management of both companies.
Porsche is not owned by V-Dub. It is still one of the remaining small private company.
The Cayenne is a joint venture, not due to anybody owning who. Though there is related "family" in management of both companies.
Andy Kuo
11-11-2001 | 03:01 AM
#44
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Just bear in mind that it was Ford who openly said in an article(interview) that they know they are having quality control problems and are trying to fix them. i.e. Their cars are made like $hit.
Ed
P.S. I have nothing against Ford....I own one..look at my Sig!
Ed
P.S. I have nothing against Ford....I own one..look at my Sig!
11-11-2001 | 09:04 AM
#45
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Originally posted by Shoofin'TL
Just bear in mind that it was Ford who openly said in an article(interview) that they know they are having quality control problems and are trying to fix them. i.e. Their cars are made like $hit.
Ed
P.S. I have nothing against Ford....I own one..look at my Sig!
Just bear in mind that it was Ford who openly said in an article(interview) that they know they are having quality control problems and are trying to fix them. i.e. Their cars are made like $hit.
Ed
P.S. I have nothing against Ford....I own one..look at my Sig!
11-11-2001 | 11:54 AM
#46
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Originally posted by evolaerok
And our cars are Accords.. Have you driven it yet? Not me, but I've driven enough jags to know that the new X will kick ass! Even though they are ford based, jags hard core followers will not allow it to be anything less than a jag. I heard it was a fun little car, give it change before you talk $hit..
And our cars are Accords.. Have you driven it yet? Not me, but I've driven enough jags to know that the new X will kick ass! Even though they are ford based, jags hard core followers will not allow it to be anything less than a jag. I heard it was a fun little car, give it change before you talk $hit..
Ya, but Car & river has rated the Accord as their top 10 more times then any other car. 2nd place is the BMW 5 series. Don’t ever recall a Jag being on that list.
You can put the TypeS up against 99% of the stock cars made in 85 (Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette, etc... included) and it will spank them.. So goes technology.
People love VW’s. People will die for VW’s… Even though most statistics show they fall apart after 5 years and need to be thrown out.
11-11-2001 | 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by y2ks2k
Ya, but Car & river has rated the Accord as their top 10 more times then any other car. 2nd place is the BMW 5 series. Don’t ever recall a Jag being on that list.
Ya, but Car & river has rated the Accord as their top 10 more times then any other car. 2nd place is the BMW 5 series. Don’t ever recall a Jag being on that list.
Here are some specs:
4.0L AJ-V8
370 bhp
387 lb-ft torque
0-60 in 5.43 sec
1/4-mile in 13.84 sec
Lambswool footwell rugs
Connolly Autolux leather (smooth as butter)
Peruvian boxwood picnic trays
and so on....
11-11-2001 | 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by fahoumh
The only possible reason for Jaguar to consistently be excluded from any top 5 or 10 and from luxury car comparisons is because those the editors at Car & Driver, Motortrend, Autoweek, Road & Track, etc are a bunch of ignoramuses!! You want pure lux and performance? Get a Jaguar Vanden Plas Supercharged! (for '02 it's called the Super V8)
Here are some specs:
4.0L AJ-V8
370 bhp
387 lb-ft torque
0-60 in 5.43 sec
1/4-mile in 13.84 sec
Lambswool footwell rugs
Connolly Autolux leather (smooth as butter)
Peruvian boxwood picnic trays
and so on....
The only possible reason for Jaguar to consistently be excluded from any top 5 or 10 and from luxury car comparisons is because those the editors at Car & Driver, Motortrend, Autoweek, Road & Track, etc are a bunch of ignoramuses!! You want pure lux and performance? Get a Jaguar Vanden Plas Supercharged! (for '02 it's called the Super V8)
Here are some specs:
4.0L AJ-V8
370 bhp
387 lb-ft torque
0-60 in 5.43 sec
1/4-mile in 13.84 sec
Lambswool footwell rugs
Connolly Autolux leather (smooth as butter)
Peruvian boxwood picnic trays
and so on....
Oh please.....
11-12-2001 | 03:54 PM
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A typical Jag 3.0 x-type is in the low 40k range, they are nuts..
Jag is also dumb trying to increase market share by cheapening the brand.
XK8/XJ series ROCKS
S-type/x-type no thank you.....
I much rather a TL or ES or I-30 sharing accord/camry/maxima parts than a Jag sharing modeo (ie Contour)parts......
Jag is also dumb trying to increase market share by cheapening the brand.
XK8/XJ series ROCKS
S-type/x-type no thank you.....
I much rather a TL or ES or I-30 sharing accord/camry/maxima parts than a Jag sharing modeo (ie Contour)parts......
11-12-2001 | 04:12 PM
#51
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
A typical Jag 3.0 x-type is in the low 40k range, they are nuts..
Jag is also dumb trying to increase market share by cheapening the brand.
XK8/XJ series ROCKS
S-type/x-type no thank you.....
I much rather a TL or ES or I-30 sharing accord/camry/maxima parts than a Jag sharing modeo (ie Contour)parts......
A typical Jag 3.0 x-type is in the low 40k range, they are nuts..
Jag is also dumb trying to increase market share by cheapening the brand.
XK8/XJ series ROCKS
S-type/x-type no thank you.....
I much rather a TL or ES or I-30 sharing accord/camry/maxima parts than a Jag sharing modeo (ie Contour)parts......
11-12-2001 | 11:26 PM
#52
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To me Jags were something to shoot for, like a dream car or something. I think the current XJR is simply wonderful and the XK-8 too, Ford did an Outstanding job with these cars and whipping them into shape.
I dunno 29k Jag, that just cheapens the brand and I will never consider the X or S type true Jags.
I dunno 29k Jag, that just cheapens the brand and I will never consider the X or S type true Jags.
11-13-2001 | 04:18 PM
#53
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Originally posted by fahoumh
The only possible reason for Jaguar to consistently be excluded from any top 5 or 10 and from luxury car comparisons is because those the editors at Car & Driver, Motortrend, Autoweek, Road & Track, etc are a bunch of ignoramuses!! You want pure lux and performance? Get a Jaguar Vanden Plas Supercharged! (for '02 it's called the Super V8)
Here are some specs:
4.0L AJ-V8
370 bhp
387 lb-ft torque
0-60 in 5.43 sec
1/4-mile in 13.84 sec
Lambswool footwell rugs
Connolly Autolux leather (smooth as butter)
Peruvian boxwood picnic trays
and so on....
The only possible reason for Jaguar to consistently be excluded from any top 5 or 10 and from luxury car comparisons is because those the editors at Car & Driver, Motortrend, Autoweek, Road & Track, etc are a bunch of ignoramuses!! You want pure lux and performance? Get a Jaguar Vanden Plas Supercharged! (for '02 it's called the Super V8)
Here are some specs:
4.0L AJ-V8
370 bhp
387 lb-ft torque
0-60 in 5.43 sec
1/4-mile in 13.84 sec
Lambswool footwell rugs
Connolly Autolux leather (smooth as butter)
Peruvian boxwood picnic trays
and so on....
11-13-2001 | 05:13 PM
#54
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Originally posted by Edward'TLS
I think you missed the point. The supercharged Jag is more appropiate to be included in tests together with S500 AMG, 750iL, S8, Bentley turbo, than in tests together with Accords, Camrys, C-class, 5-series. Because these super luxury cars comparison tests will only be interested by maybe 5% of the population whereas the other cars are more affordable by a much larger percentage of the population.
I think you missed the point. The supercharged Jag is more appropiate to be included in tests together with S500 AMG, 750iL, S8, Bentley turbo, than in tests together with Accords, Camrys, C-class, 5-series. Because these super luxury cars comparison tests will only be interested by maybe 5% of the population whereas the other cars are more affordable by a much larger percentage of the population.
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