pickler

ofc i am, considering my bimmer is in the garage all winter and at the dealership for repairs half of summer. i don't do launches with my bimmer much because the tires are 1500$ to replace.

fsttyms1

Yes, turn it off AND learn to NOT just floor it if you have lots of wheel spin. Just because the pedal "Can" be pushed all the way to the floor doesnt mean that it "Should"

And if you are getting wheel spin in the TL-P like that you need better tires.

23% is right on track for the TL for drivetrain loss.

pickler

hey thanks i tried it with TSC off and launched at 2000rpm. it made very little difference (15.61 vs 15.76).


without launching there is noticeably less wheelspin but the times all suffer and 1/4mi falls into 16s territory. tbh im happy with 7.4s 0-60 and 15.6 1/4 mi. 8 year old vehicle and bone stock. in all test it still reports 156hp O.o 10% off dynojet. alright im going to stop now, tranny slipped today 1-2 gear on the way home. i have also used 35L gas in 170km with all these tests

pickler

one more question, is it bad to bounce off the rev limiter? once i shifted too late from D2 to D3 and bounced off rev limiter about 5-6 times. lots of oil burning smell ~lingered for 5 minutes. planning on changing the oil tomorrow even though has done only 3.5k miles

farmdevil

Any time you are pushing your car like that, it's not going to be particularly good on it. Everything just gets beat harder when doing hard pulls. That includes the engine itself, motor mounts, transmission, tires, etc... But I can't imagine doing any measurable damage by redlining an automatic a few times.

fsttyms1

there is no harm from the rev limiter, its there to keep you from damaging the car. You shouldnt smell oil from it. (you have no idea how many times a day my car sees the limiter, first happens so fast in the 6 speed)

fsttyms1

Still say tires, You should be able to take off without tcs having to control the wheel spin. Get better tires and you should be able to take off faster and drop that 60' time which will get you a faster time.

pickler

good to hear no damage was done lol. oil levels were a bit low, so i had the oil changed with PP and M1 filter. as for tires, they are new. just got them last month. michelin primacy. they are excellent in wet conditions and are very quiet, reviews on tirerack were also great. its true they don't have the dry grip of rubber like toyo proxes 4 that i have on my bimmer but they last longer and can actually drive on ice and snow for winter. performance tires hydroplane too easy for where i live. maybe next summer ill get a set with the new 5spoke tsx rims and big brake kit. For now im thinking exhaust and headers if i can find locally. i don't want to order online. probably not gonna do intake mod, because it increases silicon levels in engine (happened on my rdx). i don't believe in k&n anymore xD

fsttyms1

GOOD performance tires wont hydroplane. I have never had that problem.

Increases silicon levels in the engine You wont hurt the engine with a intake or K&N filter.

Karanx7

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Where is the silicon gonna come from? I don't think it has anything to do with the intake.

Primacy aren't really performance tires, but I don't know anything about rain.

justnspace

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my sticky summer tires do great in the rain

pickler

used oil analysis. according to blackstone labs i had considerable increase of silicon levels (dirt) in engine oil after intake installation for my rdx. googled this and found similar results from other people with mostly k&n filters on bobistheoilguy.com
i know, they are touring all-season.



which tires do you have? toyo proxes 4 on my bimmer, and the car won't even get out of driveway in winter.

ParaSurfer1979

The 99 numbers will be different due to gearing because 99' has 4speed auto vs 5speed in 00-03 model TL's.

pickler

actually i found out that graph ^ is from an acurazine member who has header exhaust mods. i think patrick can't remember. his profile suggests following mods:
Blitz SRI | Stone Racing Headers | AJR Custom Throttlebody Upgrade | UR Crank Pulley | OE Thermoblok Spacers | Axle-Back Magnaflow Exhausts & Y-Pipe | H&R Race Springs | Tokico Blue HP Shocks | SPC Rear Camber Kit | Cusco Fr. Lower Tie Bar | Rotora Slotted Rotors | Endless Type NA-M Front Brake Pads | Comptech S.S. Brakelines | Acura TL Door Sills | Inspire Fog Light Switch w/ PIAA 912 Stealth Aux. lighting | PIAA Silicon Wipers | OEM Bodykit

farmdevil

This post is now in every set of search results.

fsttyms1

And it led you to believe it was bad for your motor? I have never had a increase in any levels with mine

I have Continental ExtremeContact DW

Thats because even though they have a m/s rating they really arent a all season tire and are much closer to a summer tire which isnt designed for winter.

Living where you live you really should have dedicated snow tires for winter traction

justnspace

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:obligatoryfanboycommentstartsnow:
I have wide 255/40/17 NITTO NT05 on all 4 corners.
they're modeled after drag radials.
Once warm, these tires are amazing.
I'm pushing at least 240hp to the front wheels according to the dyno pulls that I performed a couple weeks ago.

+10 to the dedicated winter tires....

farmdevil

I had a couple sets of Continentals on my old BMW and I generally wore through them in under 20,000 miles. With the amount I was driving back then, I could have put them on in March and wore them out in time for next winter. They were amazing tires, but so soft.

fsttyms1

The grip on them is awesome. So far teh DW are holding up really well. I have 10k miles on them and you cant even tell they have been driven on.

I had Nitto Invo's before this set. They too were a great tire.

pickler

yes true true performance rubber is sticky and definite must for spirited driving and winter tires a must for winter. but for me its not just winter tires, the amount of salt here is unbelievable during winter. if you look underbody of my TL and RDX which are both winter driven you see nothing but rust. plus the rdx had rust immunization with no effect. So im not gonna drive the bimmer in winter no way.

as for the TL i have had no problems with the all-season, just on launch a bit slippy but in the corners its excellent (no squealing no loss of traction).

but all these issues aside, my tranny is acting up again. i had the tranny fluid changed couple months ago with dw1 and it solved rough jerky shifting but now its back again. this happened after doing the 1/4 mile tests. even though i was careful and let the car cool after each test additional issues are engine braking while cruising at 25mph in the suburbs and car jerking forward when going into 4th gear, rpm shooting up at 1-2 gear change. and rough overall shifting. also if i apply gas during torque converter lock up car jerks. im hoping its just dirty fluid again?

if my tranny will continue to act like this i do not see any point of modding the car since ill be out $3k soon.

justnspace

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i feel you. I wouldnt drive the 1series in the winter either!!!!

fsttyms1

Why? Its just a car, something that is meant to be driven Id be driving a vette in the winter if i had one.

farmdevil

Now it'd be one thing if it was fun to drive a Vette in the winter. But seeing how it wouldn't be, I'd garage something like that and drive something else, presuming I had the funds for two vehicles. This is actually basically what I've been doing the last couple years. Here in Iowa we get so much snow that driving around in the TL is hell. Why get stuck in parking spots and slide all over the place when I had a truck to drive instead? Now this coming winter I don't have the truck out here so I'll be driving the Acura, and that's alright since it's out of necessity but it's not my choice.

My girlfriend says I always have a big smile on my face when I'm driving my truck around in the snow.

pickler

i never had problems driving in ice and snow storms with the TL here in canada. once i drove the TL all the way to nova scotia in winter. at one point the snow was over 3ft deep!! but the tl had no problems and it just kept going. only annoyance is the TSC overdoing it. The TL has a nice high ride height for snowy weather. the small relatively thin tires slice through snow and crush ice. Michelin primacy tires btw. but i definitely would recommend some nice winter tires like x-ice2 if your a truck driver. frontwheel drives usually are excellent in snow. my neighbour's 328xi has to shovel his driveway clean everyday to be able to get out. i usually shovel after work when i get home xD oh how i miss drifting in the snowy college parking lot. i gotta go now i think i hear the icecream truck!

Oakroadsteve

My 03 CLP runs very strong and is not that far off from my 01 CLS mid range head to head. I can do 15.2 in the Qtr with the only mod being the intake resonator removal and K&N drop in.

15.7 is slow for a TLP....

fsttyms1

And you know this how? My buddy has one and he drives it in the winter. He has a set of snow tires for it and he will go thru just as much snow as easily as my TL with snows on it does.

If you are getting stuck in the little bit of snow you get there you really need better tires. I highly recommend snow tires. (i think it needs to be a LAW that in states that have 4 seasons that they are required in winter)

farmdevil

This is my fourth vehicle and it's the first that was FWD (which actually I hate), and I've driven some pretty high end cars so I have a pretty decent idea what having all that power feels like. Plus I spent many hours doing donuts in the winters and mudding in the summers several years ago. Sure I can drive in the snow and it's entertaining if all I want to do is donuts, but if I'm trying to get somewhere it's a chore in a car like a Vette or a BMW. I had several close calls in my old BMW. I went into a couple pretty good spins on the highway in that car and that was before I upgraded from 15 to 17 inch wheels and put the summer tires on. My TL gets around to some degree in the snow but my girlfriend can smoke me in her Impala. Winter tires would undoubtedly help me even the playing field, but that Impala has tires that are even cheaper than stock.

As for our "little bit" of snow here, we didn't see the grass for 3 consecutive months last winter. We pretty much had 8-15 inches on the ground the majority of the time. Here is a pic. That's my car in the driveway. That's a lot of snow. I didn't even have to shovel to get my truck in and out of the driveway. Now that's not so say it's not worse where you are, but you also probably live in a bigger city than me with better plowing. Outside of town here we don't even have pavement.



My point is just that I love driving and I want it to be enjoyable. I'd much rather drive a different vehicle in the winter if it allows me to continue to enjoy driving. If driving is a chore, I'd rather take the bus. It's not really that I'm worried about the car, because I believe that with proper wax and regular cleaning, rust can be avoided.

03tLsNBP

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sounds like an expensive (for me) law. no thanks.


sure one may argue that getting into an accident due to lack of snow tires will be even more expensive but that's what insurance is for. i, and many students my age and younger, don't have the cash laying around to buy snow tires and get them mounted every winter. so that kind of law wouldn't be very pleasant.

now if one was smart and had the money, he or she wouldn't need a law to tell them that snow tires work wonders in the winter time. i remember back when i was about 14 i went with my family to Toronto/Niagara in our old 02 Pathfinder around Christmas time. 2 ft of snow on the ground there with more coming everyday. we were one of the only 4WDs there and EVERYONE had snow tires on their Yaris or Corolla or one of the other compact cars that are really common there. dem Canadians know what theyre doing.

kdawg8526

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up here in vancouver bc canada the insurance company made a rule that if u dont have dedicated snow tires and u crash they dont cover you. even though we barely get a few inches of snow here its mostly just rain.. but i just garage my car whenever it snows cant afford to put snow tires every year

pickler

until i see a dynolicious results for a stock tl-p that is 15.2 on flat surface i disagree. i mean i can keep up with an rx-7


man i don't know what the f is up with my dyno app, it still measures 155hp even though i have same time as this rx7.

oh yay snow pictures, here is one 2010 toronto




get goodyear nordics on steel rims, very cheap and you can swap it yourself every year. easy. if you dont wanna pay that do what i used to do in college with friends. when trying to brake open the door and put your left foot down. just like on a bike. if passengers can help that would be great.

fsttyms1

Yea, and when you crash into my car with my kids in it when it could have been avoided ill show you what insurance is for

Its that way in many countries, and should be here too. It should just be part of you owning a car. Just like the stupid waste of a drivers licensing system here needs to be thrown out and have one adopted like in germany.

farmdevil

There are a few things I'd like to see modeled after Germany. *cough* autobahn *cough*

fsttyms1

not with our current level of driving instruction.

03tLsNBP

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Yeah i know you're right, but how would they enforce a law like that?

Also, if it was a state law, many states have different climates. For example, Rochester or Syracuse get much much more snow than NYC/Long Island. It doesn't snow enough by me to justify getting snow tires. So how is it fair to the people in the warmer side of the state? Would it be like a county law then?

Just pickin your brain

farmdevil

agreed

...and with our current system of laws and police modeled around revenue generation instead of safety.

anx1300c

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One of those numbers is off. Otherwise your car would theoretically have the power to hit 60 mph in the high 4 second range on a 2.0x sixty foot time, which isn't happening!

kdawg8526

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well thats what i got using dynolicious i dont know accurate that is but it seems about right for the amount of mods i have on my car

anx1300c

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An automatic 2G TL-S at stock weight would need roughly 400 crank horsepower to hit sixty in 5 flat. Somehow I don't think you're quite at that level yet.

anx1300c

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Don't get me wrong, I'm sure your car can do 6.1 or even a bit better, but that 2.9 60' time is likely what's off. I would guess it to be more in the 2.20-2.30 range.

RUF87

What he said . . . on the street with poor tires you will spin hard, at the track it will still spin, but not near as much . . with good tires you should spin a little at the track . . with a base TL-P.

Note: There are so many variables with tires that what works good at a hot track won't work good in the cold. Summer tires are not good in the cold and are really bad in freezing temps. All Season tires provide a good balance, but won't do as well summer tires in the heat. The type of street makes a difference as well. Here we have mostly concrete, but black top provides better traction. Then there is tread width, tire weight, etc. It really is science when it come to the right tire for a given condition.

Ruf