TL260power

Is it a big difference? I only have a AEM CAI and i ran wit a 04 TL. We were at a stop light and driver looked young and i guess since he saw a 2nd gen TL hooked up he probably wanted to run. Well it looked like it was going to happen so when light turn green I gunned it and he did too... We were neck and neck until i hit 2-3 and he had about a 1/2 car lengths on me which happen really fast. i was like dam but i still held on and i was in 3rd reaching around 75-80 and we were kinda of neck and neck wit him beating me just an inch or two then once reacing 100 i beat him. YEA.. THen i slow down cause a cop was up ahead that pulled somebody over already but we saw the cop's light about 3 sec after i started pullin.. So i wouldnt think he gave up cause of the that... What you all think?

I also raced a prelude. Maybe a 99-02 it was the last generation of them. I think when i was racing the 04 TL he was racing too but i couldnt see him in the far lane. But if he was i beat him too. then he tried racing me later on down the road after the police was free in clear. Man 4th and 5th gear sucks!!!! i was going already 70-80mph but i couldnt go down to 3rd. This was happening when i saw him up ahead and i try passing him and he gunned it not letting me pass him. I couldnt gain up How come? I was in 5th gear at the time..i gave up. He flashed his hazard lights i guess saying "I won" yea right. i knew 5th gear sucks.. Is this normal? would i have gained up if we went about 130mph? That prelude didnt look fast when i was trying to catch up. Well then i slowed down tryin to give him a hint to slow down too and he did a little. I was slowing down so i could get into 3rd and once i did i gunned it and i passed him flying down the road. He didnt even try cause he knew he would loose... I know i could of takin that prelude if its not heavly modded. That car looked average modded. WEll the prelude had Exhaust, and i think CAI. dont know what else it might have.. DOes prelude have to be modded heavely to beat a TL-S with CAI? just wondering OH and the 04TL was stock.. maybe manual not sure.. He might of had CAI. Heard a light roar in the engine but then again it could just be stock.. dont know..

sorry for the long story...

JetJock

I had a stock '02 TL-S, and now I've got a 6MT '04TL, and let me tell you the '04 will blow the doors off the TL-S. I'm not sure if it's the 6MT, or the extra 10hp, but my new car is so much faster than my old TL-S that it's no contest. Both cars were factory stock. With some mods, who knows.

LiQiCE

The '02-03 TL-S 5AT is faster than the '04 TL 5AT. If you were racing a 6MT, then he's got about 25-30whp on you stock versus stock. Would most likely be the reason why he flew past you after the 2-3 shift.

With headers, and maybe some other mods like the pulleys you could prolly roll with a stock 6MT. Modded, the 6MT probably has the advantage ... although there aren't too many mods beyond CAI for the 3rd Gen TLs yet.

ferizzo

Yeah a 6mt TL would be faster than a stock or moderately modded TLS (intake and/or exhaust). Now a TLS with headers and intake would be much closer and I think pretty even. Now an auto TL vs TLS is a driver's race. Both are pretty much the same engine and power. Sounds like you race an auto.

Oh and a stock or moderately modded Lude will love to all of the above.

jayhawk815

Is there really that big a difference in whp? I didn't realize the manual trans. is that much more efficient.

LiQiCE

Well, I'm going by the CL-S 6spd dynos, but there's about a 25% powertrain to wheels loss in power in the 5AT models of the CL-S/TL-S. We put down about ~200whp (some even less, more like 190whp) versus the 260 powertain horsepower.

The CL-S 6spd, puts down about ~220whp on dynos, about a 15% powertrain to wheels loss. So yeah, the 6MT at least in the CL-S is almost like a "free mod"

TL260power

u mean he would be us both?

2K2SilverTL-S

I have both an 04 and an 02 TLS w/ AEM CAI......I will be racing them against eachother soon and I'll give you guys some honest results.....from what I feel, they are very close but I will definitely know which is faster after I run them against one another. Stay tuned.

TL260power

sounds good how u gonna race each other? u got somebody thats gonna drive ur other car?

Natismati

now you're just talking straight out of your ass.

fast-tl

How the hell is that? He's owned BOTH cars? Whatever reason would he have, to say that unless he believed it? If he'd never driven one or the other that's one thing, but when I trade my '00 for an '05 why wouldn't I be able to tell you , from experience, which was quicker?

Sounds like YOU'RE "just talking straight out of your ass."

Natismati

"blow the doors off the 03 tl-s? " Thats complete horse shit and you know it. How many times do i run my boys tl-s with 04 tl? One too many. I never raced my car with any 04's. But my car is modded. So a bone stock TL-s vs. 04 tl...Its a neck and neck race. No one gains anything. maybe the 04 tl has 3/4 of a car on the stock tl.

Natismati

Fool.

TL260power

i agree the 3/4 is what he got on me when i switch from 2-3. But I tell you its not easy to beat one w/just an CAI. I think wit that it kept me neck and neck when i was in 3rd then in the end i took the lead... I know with headers i would of taken him a little bit better.

LiQiCE

Does your 'boy' have the 5AT '04 TL or the 6MT '04 TL? He said the 6MT '04 TL is a lot faster than his TL-S. I'd have to agree there. I don't know stock 1/4 mile times for the 6MT '04 TL off the top of my head, but the stock times for a 6MT '03 CL-S is about a mid to low 14, versus the TL-S which runs high 14s to low 15s in the 1/4 mile. Thats roughly 2 to 3 carlengths, maybe more if you're taking the best '03 CL-S 6MT time versus the worst '02-03 TL-S time. From what I recall '04 6MT TLs will run roughly same in the 1/4 as the '03 6MT CL-S.

If we're talking about a 5AT '04 TL versus a 5AT '03 TL-S I actually would give the egde (albeit a very slight edge) to the TL-S because it lacks drive by wire throttle which adds a small amount of lag onto the car and also removes the throttle during shifts.

Incase you don't know what I mean, 5AT = 5 speed automatic transmission. 6MT = 6 speed manual transmission.

dj5

I would agree the 6MT '04 TL would be a lot faster than a stock '03 TL-S.

Problably would be close if the TL-S was modded with intake, pulley, & headers.

vandy786

The 2nd Gen TLS has the edge in the lower RPMs versus a 2004 TL with the 5AT. As LiQice already said, the 3rd Gen TLs feel weaker / less peppier in the lower RPMs due to throttle by wire. Having raced a few of them in my 2002 TLS, I can state that nearly every time I gain atleast a 1/2 carlength by the end of 2nd gear and from there on I pull ever so slowly. But I do have the Comptech Icebox, which is useless in low speeds but might be helpful in higher speeds. I suspect the reason I pull away later in the race is because of the Icebox. So basically, in a 2002 stock auto TLS vs. a 2004 stock auto TL race, I would expect the TLS to gain a 1/2 car and maintain that distance til the end of the run.

fsttyms1

thats not true, the 04 has more TQ and it happens sooner.
i give the edge to the 04. now if its a 6speed manual you are going against, if the driver knows how to drive your gonna get beat

fast-tl

natismati:
Soooooo, considering I've been backed up now multiple times, I guess we see who's the "fool." I didn't even have to argue my own case! Grow up and quit the childish name calling.

jayhawk815

As far as 0-60 times, the best time I've seen for a 6MT '04 was from C&D and was 5.8. I've seen times for the TL-S around 6.0-6.2. So, approx. as much as .2 to .4 seconds faster. 2/10's of a second isn't much faster, could easily depend on the driver. 4/10's of a second to 60 is a nice cushion and the 6MT should generally win.

jayhawk815

Oh, and these are what the cars are capable of, not necessarily what the average driver can achieve. There's more dependency on the driver with a manual, though.

VQ35DE

Going back to the Lude for a moment, if he's got a good I/H/E setup a 5G can pretty much run even with a TL-S. As for higher speeds, stock they were good for 143mph with a 5MT. IMO, I wouldnt sleep on them only because of their potential. That said, very few Lude drivers are able to capitalize on their car's potential.

mlatter

At 60 MPH, that's 88 feet per second.
2/10ths of a second is 17.6 feet. Not insignificant!

Natismati

points for you.

RAdams

My '02 TL-S with I/H felt faster than my '04 6MT does, but at the track the '04 ran almost 4 mph faster totally stock. I am by no means saying the my '02 was slow, but my '04 is definitely faster.

vandy786

It may have more torque and may produce it sooner, but it doesn't quite make it to the wheels. That's my point.

jayhawk815

Yes, that's a good demonstration of math skills. I agree. But, as I already said, it depends GREATLY on the driver. It's easier to match the claimed 0-60 times of automatic than it is to match the times of a manual. Keep in mind the test drivers of these Mag's are professionals. In other words, it can be hard to duplicate the results. Their best times are after numerous trials. It's tough to determine what the best RPM's are to launch any specific manual car. Also, getting good shifts is also difficult to master.

TL260power

It was a good run though i give props for the new TLs. Pretty fast for it being stock.. LOve those cars.. IM sure i would run better with CT headers.

dtpjigzer

yada yada yada!! cry me a damn a river!! I'll smoke my own tl wit a tricycle! hahahahahaha

Pure Adrenaline

iTrader: (2)

Haha!!... magazine racers...

Honestly, what's the point of quoting magazine numbers and arguing about them? Anything is possible on the streets because there are so many variable factors.



JetJock -- bad choice of words, but yes, stock for stock, the 6MT TL is faster than the TL-S with a good driver. However, your claims have no facts to back it up with. What I mean is, you're not stating facts, rather you're just claiming that your '04 is much faster than your TL-S. Have you taken them to the track? If not, don't make big claims like "blowing the doors off".

LiQiCE

The catch is that the '04 TL has an integrated intake manifold which is permanently welded to the TL's engine. So you can't just "bolt on" CT headers to make it faster. Right now the only mod that I'm aware of is CAI. But I've heard of some clever new mods that maybe coming for the new TL which will probably make it a lot faster. Remember, Acura achieved 300hp out of the same 3.2L engine in the original TL concept with no problems, so there's definitely some room for improvement there!

TL260power

i wasnt talking about the new TL with headers.... Im talkin about my car with headers..(02)

Edward'TLS

If Acura had changed the '04 TL to RWD or AWD, even 300+ hp would not be any problem.

1SICKLEX

sigh.....

TL260power

TLs will soon be RWD or AWD watch....

Probably hondas future project.

bradb1us

I just raced an '04 TL auto with my '03 TL-S auto on our 1/4 mile track two weekends ago. I had 3/4 tank of gas, my friends drag wheels and his racing jack in my trunk. I actually ended up beating the new TL by 2/10th's (I thought he was going to kill me). My only mod is a CT Ice Box. BTW, we had almost identical reaction times, 60 ft times, and we were both on the original tires. I was very surprised. The only difference is that I gate shifted and he just left it in Auto mode.

TL260power

whats gate shifted?

wavshrdr

Curious to know if he had the traction control on or off. Even with an auto launch technique can greatly affect ET. For example if run my MB at the track with the traction control on and not dialing in my air pressure the car runs consistent 13.1-.2 all day long.

Switch of the traction control, bump up the front tire pressure, drop the rear and instantly I am running 12.8-12.9. Pull the spare tire and jack out and ice up my intake and it's another .1 or so. So from the time that I roll into the track I start with a 13.2 car and just a few tweaks I can shave off almost a half second without even getting into engine mgmt. On my car it is best to live it in the tip mode as AMG got the tranny shifts right. I can't ever seem to beat what it does and I have thousands of drag strip passes experience. I started racing over 30 years ago.

Keep in mind that even a .2 second difference in the quarter mile is significant but what I'd really like to see is what kind of trap speeds. There you will get an idea of the HP of the car. I have one car that is slow as heck to launch as you have to baby it out of the hole but by 100' out it is hooked up and then makes up the time at the end. An automat civic could beat me the first 100' but from there on I'll easily pull a Viper.

Take the time to learn you car and practice practice practice!

Ken1997TL

You sir, are the ass. Pull your head out.

Ken1997TL

Wavshrdr:

Acura's traction control is much less "aggressive" than on an MB, the Germans for whatever reason overdo the traction control systems to the point where they will stifle any performance if wheelslip is detected. The Acura system has been and continues to be praised for not being too much of an electronic nanny.