fsttyms1

Well as many know i have my 3rd tranny failing. i have been in contact with honda and they are unwilling to do any thing for me. it is absoutly rediculas the way they treat people. im not asking for them to buy the car back, all i want is a new tranny, which they claim there is nothing wrong with their tranny and they can just die whenever regaurdless of miles. 1 a year is just FU(king wrong!
all i can say is im going to drive the car till it completly dies and that HONDA better hope that it doesnt cause a accident! because it will cost them more than a stupid piece of SHIT tranny that they are putting into every ones cars!

scottosan

Considering you have like 150,000 miles on your car, do you realistically expect them to warantee it forever? See what kind of warrantee you would get out of some other manufacterers.

Green2000TL

when your tranny was replaced, did they put in am updated ECU? The newer ECU supposedly has some changes in the timing for when the gears change in the tranny.

fsttyms1

yes the last time i had one put in by them at 115k they said every thing was updated and it wouldnt happen again. i know i have high miles, but trannies are supposed to last mor than 45k at a crack. like i said, i wasnt asking for them to buy the car back. offer me a deal or something on the tranny. im not going to spend 4+k on a tranny that i gaurentee they didnt fix. and then to come out and and lie to me saying that they dont have a tranny issue, is like a slap in the face. their customer support is just unwiling to do any thing for their customers.

they can extend the warranty on something they know is bad to 100k, but give you nothing for a warranty on what they replace it with!

Ken1997TL

Isnt there supposed to be a 3 or 4 year warranty on a replaced tranny?

fsttyms1

if there is i dont get it

Ken1997TL

Thats fucked up. Hopefully someone at Acura corporate reads these forums.

fsttyms1

i hope they do. this situation they have is turnning alot of people away from the honda/acura brand. including myself. i now have a very large paper weight thats going to be sitting in my garage, because i refuse to pay the money to stick something thats going to die on me again in my car

Comet2404

Yes, there is an additional warranty. It is 12mo/20,000K. My dealer said if it went outside the warranty on the new tranny, they'd still do it for me most likely, and if I was WAY out they'd cover more than half probably. I've always gotten good service. Try calling another dealer, and Acura Client Services. That helped me. Good luck!

fsttyms1

my dealer has been great. they want to do it for me. its Acura Client Services that is unwilling to do any thing.

alleyesonmeee

i just got my transmission replaced a week ago...they told me they only cover it for 12,000 miles...if it dies again I'm buying a new car.

fsttyms1

id recomend doing that now, cause id bet it does!

03 TL-S

When did the first transmission die.. If the firs trasmission died within your states lemon law requirements you might have a case. Lemon law laywers are free to you so it wont hurt to give them a call.

fsttyms1

first one was a like a year and a half after i bought it (1st 79k 2nd 115k, 3rd 159k) all unacceptable

erdoc48

To Fsttyms, someone wrote a thread a few days ago about AAMCO Transmissions replacing the TL transmission for $1400 (versus Acura for $3-$4K) and there is a both a 3yr/36K mileage warranty and a lifetime warranty (obviously both at additional cost- I think the lifetime warranty is $1K)- this is still cheaper than paying Acura a lot of $$$ for something you don't necessarily trust. I agree the Acura Corporate heads should be looking at these forums, because these transmission woes will make many of us (myself included) look elsewhere when it comes time to get a new car. I love my TL, but after reading some quality control issues even about the new TL (failing transmissions, falling headliners, and rattles), my current TL may be my last. I swore by Hondas (I had a 86 CRX-Si, 94 Civic Coupe, and the TL), but now I don't trust them and I'm always concerned that my transmission is going to crap out! I hope the AAMCO info helps even if Acura will no longer assist you.

fsttyms1

do you know where the link to the AAMCO tranny for that price is?

erdoc48

http://www.aamco.com/main/locateacen.../WISCONSIN.htm
It seems there are 4 stores in WI- hopefully, one is near you.
Good Luck

erdoc48

Here's the thread for the AAMCO transmission fix:
I don't personally know what they charge, but it can't hurt to try someone else, especially when Acura can't guarantee their product for more than 12 months (esp. if they <AAMCO> are a lot cheaper)


http://acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93161

ndawood

that really sucks about your tranny hopefully it gets fixed and you wont have an incident on the road... that would really suck

fsttyms1

thanks for the info guys! il check into that in the morning. im also going to check into doing the 6speed conversion. (myself)

antlive

dayum that messed up. I'm on my 3rd tranny. they installed the jet and new brain a couple of weeks ago, I hoping it keeps for another yr or so.

1SICKLEX

2-3% failure rate my ass.

Ken1997TL

More like 10% to 20% on the 99+ TL's

jazzpicker

fsttyms1,
I called AAMCO in Tallahassee, FL and they quoted me $1,400.00 for a complete tranny rebuild on a 01 TL. Throw in an extra $1000.00 and it has a LIFETIME WARRANTY. They did a Dodge Ram for me a few years ago and the truck never had a problem afterwards. They damn sure can't be worse than Acura...
Before doing anything, I would really try to talk/sue/complain to Acura and get them to fix the tranny. You are exactly right, trannys are supposed to last more than a few thousand miles..
You have had 3 trannys replaced, Acura should fix the fricking thing and kiss your ass under the red light downtown for the trouble you have experienced..
Good luck with your car. Screw Acura and hell no, i don't work for AAMCO...

jazzpicker

It would really be interesting to find out the actual percentage of failures and wish there was a way to survey and find the data on this forum. After reading many posts I am sure you are underestimating the figures.. With accurate data, it is possible to get all the trannys fixed. Screw Acura/Honda

nayyarn

I am on my second transmission. I was planning on keeping the car long term, 10 plus years. But, know I just may keep it till 100K at the most . At least this way I can sell it and get a little something back for it. No more mods either. That really sucks that Honda\Acura knows about what a big problem this is, but are un-willing to keep the customer happy. We all should file a joint law suit against them. Let me know if you all are will to do this. My bro. inlaw is lawyer. This will be my last Honda\Acura, my family is fond of Honda products, but I am about to change that. Now its on to the Germans. I been wanting a BMW or a Benz for some time know I just may make it happen. Keep us posted om what happens. I am big TL fan, but this transmission issue has me thinging it might be time to move on.

scottosan

considering 80,000 TL's are sold a year, I think the 2 to 3 percent is accurate. That makes 1600 to 2400 failures per yer. I think there is alot of drama and overreacting on this forum, not to mention the beating these trannies take from some of the forum members that think they are cast members from the fast and the furious. Not trying to offend anyone, I'm just putting things into perspective. This forum is by no means an accurate representation of the entire TL population.

nayyarn

All TL and CL owners should come together and file suit against Honda\Acura Motor Co. and make them disclose actual real number of failures. They are aware of the defect and know it is major problem they cannot fix, without having to replace the transmission again and again. Did your tranny fail at 150K plus with the jet oil kit? If not You should argue this point with them, if you did not have it installed, because this is supposed to be fix. Yeah right.

jazzpicker

Scottosan,
You are not offending anyone nor are you driving a defective car ( a 98 2.5 TL).
Take some time to read the Acura petition and note how many people have experienced multiple transmission failures at relatively low mileage. Acuras are advertised as exciting cars to drive and are not "take the kids to soccer practice cars". I really don't think it matters how you drive the car, a defective tranny is a defective tranny and at some point will fail. Maybe you would feel different if you drove a 2000 -early 2004 car. Honda is screwing all 2nd gen owners by producing a defective product in an expensive car for the past 4 years and not coming up with a solution.
Oh yea, one more thing you are absolutely correct about overreacting...but I guess when you lose 3 trannys in 50K miles it makes owners a bit "touchy". Can you blame them??

fsttyms1

thanks for the info guys with the AAMCO im going to check into that.
i have tried getting somewhere with Acura i spent 4 days on the phone back and forth with them and waiting and i got nothing from them. they were completly unwilling to do anything

Comet2404

Thats rediculous.... Oh I'd be so mad. I'm really hoping this all works out for you. What a pain in your ass... and your tranny. Good luck! Keep us all posted!

Tom Blasing

Wasn't there someone in Florida that makes a high performance version of one? Extreme Velocity somthinerother....

The gal on here selling her supercharger has one I think.

scottosan

I also own a 2002 Tl-s. I have 57,000 on the original tranny and still running strong. I too am concerned about my tranny, but in reality, I can not base my total thoughts soley on what I hear on this forum. Bottom line, you can tell me any car manufactuter, and I can find similar stories regarding defect. Personally, I think Honda as gone further than most other car makers would do in this scenario.

That Girl

Originally Posted by scottosan
considering 80,000 TL's are sold a year, I think the 2 to 3 percent is accurate. That makes 1600 to 2400 failures per yer. I think there is alot of drama and overreacting on this forum, not to mention the beating these trannies take from some of the forum members that think they are cast members from the fast and the furious. Not trying to offend anyone, I'm just putting things into perspective. This forum is by no means an accurate representation of the entire TL population



I agree this forum is most deffinately not an accurate representation of the Transmission problem.


To put it into perspective a morea ccurate staement is there is more of a widespread problem with the tranmssions then is being realised here at this forum................It is much more then 2 or 3 %


2500 failures a year out of 80,000 tls ..... Scott ....Honda produces 2500 transmissions daily at their HTM plant in Ohio ..... DAILY!!!!!! This is not counting their mother plant in Japan .... These numbers of tranmssion production speaks for itself..

valeo77

I am joining the "fuck you we are not going to help you beyond 25% club" Which means I come out of my pocket with $2,186.75 to fix a transmission that was already defective.
My car has 109k on it and it started shifting irregularly. I scheduled an appointment to have this jet kit installed but my car broke the day before the appointment.

This whole process is really pissing me off.
How can you base your whole diagnosis off of some gear that you only see the top of. ( i have seen the picture that they use, not the one from my car though). I want to take some action but it seems that i am just a little guy going against this mountain called Acura - they have endless money to fight any case that i present them, furhermore they dont care.

WE are getting screwed - period. My advice to all of you who see this is get rid of the car before you hit 100k if not your screwed. I say this begrudgingly beacause I actually do love the car.

I am never buying a Honda product again - NEVER. Nor will anyone in my family.

joseph_99tl

can i have your custom wing?...

i'm just kidding, fssty...


keep us posted.

i think if you persist that they will come thru.

keep trying.

MADCAT

I got a letter in the mail from ACURA several months back saying they are extending the warrenty on the transmission to 7 yrs. Meaning we got the car in 98-99...so we are covered untill end of 2005

mlionel

I'm not sure about 2-3%. When I had my transmission replaced at 68.5K, I asked service manager about his rough estimate on defective transmissions that are replaced under warranty at that dealership. Guess what was his answer... About 10-12%. I am not advocating for higher than actual percent of defective trannies, but what is a correct number? I personally checked 2 other TLs (drove and checked ATF) years 2001 and 2002 (I think). Transmissions in both were slipping, and ATF was brown, not pink.

frainc

Well it happen to me today. My 2003 TL-S with 27,000 and the trans. took a shit this morning. I was able to drive to my dealer and get a 2004 Pontiac Grand Prix.

Now I drive my car nice and easy and really never get on it, but I guess it didn't matter.

Should get it back late next week, so I'll just not going to go crazy with this because shit happens and as long it doesn't cost me anything, who cares.

Coming next Dec., I'm getting a new RL.

THis is the first time in 3 Acuras that I have a problem with, so I will just go with the flow.

fsttyms1

but most places make an attempt to actually fix the problem. this has been ongoing since 2000! they should have had a diffinite fix by now. letting down there customers with 1 is bad enough, but 2 3 and 4 is UNACCEPTABLE! no matter what company you are