WiLLs TypE S

My friend has a GS400 stock, and I have a 3.2TLS. He wants to race me in a drag race track. You guys think I can take him out?

paultl

hell no!!!....numbers dont lie

few of my buddies have gs400...everytime we race i get spank down easily,,,,

numbers dont lie, we cant hang with 300hp and 310 pounds of torque!

LiQiCE

You could try ... and have fun losing. Or dump about an extra 1000 lbs of crap in his trunk, and then maybe you'd have a chance!

NOVAwhiteTypeS

hmm how is it that i can take my buddies GS400 our everytime from 0~100

but i know better to not try on the highway.

I'm actually gonna race some GS400 members from club lexus. should be intersting.

oh I have mods

Beason

what you mean interesting, im thinkg more of an @$$ kicking. Race them for fun, just dont expect to win. DONT BET ANY MONEY!!!!!!!

BlackShadow

0-100 mph should be a driver's race.

After 100 mph, don't bother.

car_lost

the gs400 dips. i tried one when i first got my car... it only had like 200 miles on it.... so it wasnt broken in yet but anyways.... the guy spanked the **** outta me. when we puleld up next to each other he was there liek damn man ur car is fast... i was there like wtf? ur **** is smokin. he was there like yea but the 19's slowed me down a lot... he was also stock.... believe me... u will get spanked... mods or not... unless u got some nos... then thats another story.

snapple

The GS400 will smoke ya but as a proud TL-S owner I'll give it a try.

paultl

if your going to run against a gs4, you better have every bolt on possible!!!! then maybe you can "KEEP" up......

theres only 2 ways you can take a gs400......laughing gas or supercharger!!....pick your pleasure!

we should stick with V6s.....we have a better chance

LiQiCE

Actually with mods (headers, CAI, maybe pulleys/exhaust?) you should stand a chance against a GS400 (assuming he is stock).

But stock for stock, I seriously don't think a TL-S would keep up with a GS400 ... GS400's have 0-60 times of around mid to high 5's ... Where as the TL-S is around a low 6 at best ... and around mid-14's for 1/4 mile (where as the TL-S hits around high 14's to low 15's).

If you have a really GOOD driver versus a really BAD driver ... then maybe the TL-S stands a chance 0-100 ... But since they're both automatics its not really that hard ...

Anyways, if you want to see, just race him for fun ... Just don't expect to win

niko14

only the cls 6 speed can hang fro a while with the gs400

RUF87

You guys are weak. :P

A stock GS400 will not spank a TLS, unless you stink as a driver or have slow one.

That said, stats point to a close race upto 100MPH, after which the GS400 will easily pull away.

And if you don't nail your launch, make your shifts, and don't give him an empty gas tank advantage, you'll have a good race. And might even win if the GS400 driver doesn't nail his run.

Bottom line, a .5 secs to 60 advantage for the GS400 clearly makes this a drivers race. But if the GS400 is on its mark, facts is facts, the GS400 should win every time.

I just don't like this roll over and give up attitude.

Personally I still have to see one after 18 months. Oh, I've seen one here and there, but they are driven by old ladies for status, or are moded.

I want to catch one on an even playing field.

Oh Lex ol buddy, I may have to come out to Atlanta and look you up.

RUF

ferizzo

It would be a fun race but the TLS will lose more times than win.

rominl

either they don' tknow how to drive, or their ecu are not reset for proper driving (possibly still has the break in period soft driving memory).

rominl

let me say it clearly, NO, tls can't hang with the gs4 at all, no chance. no need for argue or so, i have both the tls and the gs4, and both me and my gf can tell that the gs4 is considerably faster, from 0-60, 0-100, rolling 20, rolling 60, rolling 80, put it anyway you want.

seriously the only time tls can win is when the driver really doesn't know what he's doing, or the ecu in the car is not set probably, coz' it might have stored some soft driving and that will affect the lauch badly.

otherwise you just need a normal driver like me sitting in the car doing nothing both floor the car completely and it will kill the tls every time.

from stop it's always a race of torque, not about hp. the gs4 has 310 tq, and that's way more than the tls. yes the gs4 is around 300 to 400lbs heavier, but the extra tq is just too much for the tls to handle.

at rolling it's mostly about tq and hp, 300hp and 310tq on the gs4 vs 260hp and 232 tq on the tls, you gotta be kidding me.

at high end speed it's not even worth talking about. the gs4 is a v8, remember that. whenever it's a well designed v8 it's a killer. try to play with a bmw 540i or the mb e430. have fun

rominl

oh and yes, i have raced tls in my gs4 and vise versa, results were all under my expectation.

so many times already some cars try to race my gs4 on the freeway, they tried to catch up and so i let go of my gas. when they were about 2 cars behind me i started to floor the car again. when they caught up they looked very happy coz' they thought they are eating me, but in no time i saw their priceless faces in my mirror

vsop TL-S

Answers my question...hahahaha I'm always wondered this myself, but telling from you guys then I know now, not to **** with no GS400 or GS430..hhahaha Oh well, at least the TL Type-S looks more sporty hahahahaha..not to insue any flaming on the GS's or any other Lexus driver, but...this is for you:thefinger :flamer:

rominl

haha yeah i also think the tls has a better body style and looks more sporty. but with some nice tunes at the car the gs could look a lot better not a lot of people believe how luxury my gs4 is from outside, they think mine is a track car

FLAcuraTLS

RUF87

I certainly hope you guys don't think bigger number always mean faster vehicles. ????

Because that truck with 390HP and 540ftlbs would whip you all day long. Of course it only weighs 1200lbs more. . . :P

Bottom line, we are not racing against specs here. Period. I don't care if a car is technically faster. It does not guarantee the outcome of any race. Period. If all that mattered was what the specs said, then we could do away with racing and just show up with our spec sheet.

Let's see, my spec sheet beats yours. So why even race then.

So whether the GS400 is technically faster on paper, it is no guarantee of a win every time in the real world.

A race is a car and its driver verses another driver and their car. Not two spec sheets.

Just ask any pro racer.

RUF

ferizzo

Ask any real racer. It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning's winning!

rominl

umm.....

noticed i said unless the driver is a real bad one, gs4 can never lose? the driver just needs to floor the car and let the car goes?

noticed that i said in the same post that the gs4 is in fact 300 to 400 heavier, but still the extra hp and torque would be more than enough to kick tls' ass?

of course i know a race isn't all about cars, otherwise it's not race. just as a driver to drive al the cars on a track and heck we have the results.

i have seen m3 losing to a civic, wrx losing to the tls, and even porsche losing to is300. but my point is, in general, if you don't have a stupid driver driving those "better" cars, there is no way those cars will lose.

i don't doubt if i drive the tls and a person who just got his licence driving my gs4, i can smoke him badly @_@

rominl

yay, very well said

niko14

Only the cl-s 6 can hang with the gs4 stock for stock...

rominl

yes, that's true. the cl-s has much less loss over the drivetrain, it will definitely hang in very tight with the gs4 in any race below 100

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

I don't think you would win....

Below is a link to a video of a GS400 vs. a CL-S... with the CL-S winning by a hair. What you have to keep in mind is that the CL-S is modded AND a 6-speed.... so he's probably putting out around 40-45 more HP at the wheels, possibly more then a stock TL-S (less tranny loss on the manual, plus headers and intake, plus some other mods he's done... like port and polish, etc....)

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=81972

Enjoy

RUF87

Humm. Lest's see.

I saw a GS400 run a 14.89. Yep that certainly is WAY better than the range I've seen for a TLS.

The video only proves that the GS400 is NOT way faster and given the variables a TLS is capable of winning against a GS400.

So argue all you want, but as an ex-drag racer I know what happens at the track . . specs go flying out the door.

Nuff Said,

RUF

vsop TL-S

I'll agree with that...Ruf87 has a point...I, too, use to race a lot and numbers aren't always right..I mean there were times when my numbers were slower than expected and vice versa..just all depends on the driver..but who knows..I'm not gonna mess with no GS400 either way. I bought my car for its looks, and overall value. If the GS400 or GS430 can beat me in a race oh well..I don't give a shiznit. I'll get them one day..hahahhaha:flamer: :devil:

RUF87

BTW - one last point of interest.

If we could get tranny mods like I could get from my Chevy, stall converter and shift kit, etc, our automatic Type-S's wouldn't be much slower than the 6-speed. Maybe 2 to 3/10ths at the most.

FWIW, I used to beat manuals regularly because they have a greater challenge of nailing their shifts. So consistency was a big plus.

Imagine, barking your tires at 115-120MPH as you are shifting from 2-3rd, in an automatic. Yeehaa!

RUF

1SICKLEX

Ruf where ya been buddy. GS 400 faster than a stock TL-S, nuff said. I don't visit here as much.

We got Texas guys that will race u, lemme know!

RUF87

Hey Lex ol' buddy.

I've been hangin' low for a while. Didn't have much rubber left on my original tires. Too busy killing Bimmers left and right because I can't seem to run into a GS400.

BTW - I'm still perfect vs the 3 series and 3 E36-M3s to boot. 12-0 Baby!

But now that I got some new tires, I'm back in action. I've only run into a WRX and a LS430 so far. Took the LS430, but the WRX got me by about a length off the line, but I held him until 80 and then started to close on him a bit to about 105 or so.

Anyway, check out the Dallas area meets thread. We are planning a run down to a local drag strip.

Lexus dudes welcome and we can settle it there.

RUF

Webologist

Sorry but torque is not what acceleration is all about. Otherwise an F350 diesel would beat a 750 sportbike. (It won't). It's about horsepower to weight ratio. Run the last comparo again and Yep the sportbike's high horsepower to weight ratio will smoke the poor torquey diesel like there's no tomorrow. Check the Hp/Wt. Ratio and the cars aren't far apart.

Naturally there are other factors like traction, gearing, etc. that factor into the equation. Most mags show the GS at 5.8 to 6.1 ( motortrend comparo) which is slightly faster than the TL-S. I think "Smoke" is way too strong a word. It should edge you out unless you have a few 10ths quicker reaction time.

rominl

well i can only speak from my experience since i own both cars, and that the gs4 is a lot faster than the tls. i don't really look at numbers that seriously, i just tell from my experience. i have smoked so many cars in my gs4, and i havent' smoked half as many cars as easy in my tls.

Monte TLS,MAX

Yes the GS4 is much quicker and guys when your already going 60 or 70 mph .4-.7 of sec is a good distance. I am a realist and know not to mess with GS4's in the TLS or the Max. This is almost like saying the TLP can beat the TLS in a Street drag and you know most people here would be like no way no how!

roadman

Webologist,

You are making a excellant point about torque and weight. Take for example the torque differences between the Audi A6 2.7T and the 4.2 V8. Guess which one is faster from 0-60 ? If you guessed the 300hp V8 you were wrong. It does make more torque but it is heavier and geared taller.

RUF87

And I too am speaking from real world experience.

I've seen the 14.89 sec GS400 time slip and I've seen TLS that are quicker than that.

And beating someone by 1/2 to 1 car length is not smoking them. 4-5 car lengths would be.

I don't think there's any way a stock GS400 is going to beat me more than 1 car length or 2.

So, does anyone know what a 1/2 second at 60MPH equates to in feet?

BTW - don't forget. Paper results are only clinical tests. You real world results will vary car-to-car and driver-to-driver. And based on the variances seen at the drag strips, even .7 secs is not enough to guarantee a win. However, odds are they should.

RUF

agean

ruf...unless my math is off, its 88ft. thats a pretty good distance to win by

agean

sh*t, forgot to multiply by .5 seconds...should be about 45ft. thats still, what, 3 car lengths?

1SICKLEX

I've never lost to a Type-S. Ruf, those WRX's are crazy, I've lost to 3, beat 1 and tied with 1. I think most of these cars are modded to JDM specs...

RUF87

Man, I finally spot a GS400 and the guy is driving spirtedly, so I play catch up.

I get behind him and he jumps on it a couple of times. We finally get a clearing and he jumps on it again and I give chase. We go from around 50-80 and he can't pull me. Then we get to a light and he makes a hard left into traffic and runs off.

Man, how disappointing. I was really looking forward to running him from a dead stop.

I wonder if he ran off because he was afraid to be embarassed?? :P

Anyway, I'm sure my day will come. And I'll post, win or lose.

And if I don't ever find one around here, I hope to have some track numbers tp post in mid-November.

Of course those won't mean much unless I'm lining up to a stock GS400. Winning is more than a better time, but who gets to the win light first.

That's what I'm talking about. Drag racing. Texas style.

RU