All you guys that blah blah blah about BMW and Mercedes, find a car better than the NSX from Germany and then diss on Japs. Someone made an important subject, Japs like to make cars that are reliable and fuel efficient. But what happens when they want to make a car to go fast, look up the word NSX, GT-R34/5, Lancer VII, and what do you get, cars that can go 0-60 in 4 secs. from a v6, unlike those other Euros(Italy), that are using v8-12s. And you talk about PERFORMANCE? The Honda s2000 makes 120 horsepower per liter! 240 ponies from a puny 2.0 four cylinder. And Lexus, now thats fit and finish baby. BMWs and Mercedes are nice cars, dont get me wrong, but highly overated. The other main reason why Japs dont get that much respect is because their Performance Cars , the big dogs, aren't sold here. And German? Any BMW sold in Europe can be bought here. Oh by the way, the M5 is gonna be a joke when the Acura DNX comes out. Vanos is an imitation of VTEC!!!!!! A Ducati 750 races Japanese 600 bikes (CBR/GSX-R/YZF/NINJA) and they call it fair, thats German for ya.

 

Have you ever owned an Euro/German?? You are comparing Apples to Oranges.... EvoII, STi WRX, GTR, Supra.... what they all have in common?? Foce Induction.... and 0-60 in 4 sec?? The cars you mentioned, in stock, can do 0-60 in high 4's, low 5's at best....and sure S2K squeeze out 120HP/L... you wanna state the Torque/L, too?? Torque?? What Torque.... at low rpm(3K and under), S2K doesn't even generate enough torque to loose a wheel nut.....and a car better than NSX from German?? Lets see, SL55 AMG, 996TT, Z8....... NSX was made in aluminum, yet, it still weights about the same as all-steel 993!?!?

And MB/BMW are over-rated?? Why's that so?? My friends '97 C230 still has tighter chassis(less body flex)than my 1 year old TLS......German are known for their tight body and chassis.....as well as strong mid-high speed cruising/acclerating.... My 5000LB+ 1992 400SE outruns my TLS from 75mph up to 140mph at ease....

Give some valid points why German/Euro are over-rated....

P.S. Forgot to mention, Skylines are rare on our side of shore, but in Japan/HK, they are as common as Camaro/Firebird on our side of shore.... I guess you can call them "Japanese F-Body"......

Andy Kuo

 

1 for asian boy, 1 for german boy

LETS GET READY TO RUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMBBBBBBLLLLLLEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!!

 

AKRY, I said state a car thats better than the NSX from Germany, not more expensive. On the track, the NSX will outperform any car from Germany in its stock form. The only car that will beat the NSX on the track is the Ferrari F355 spider(Italian not German). And for your informaton yes I have owned a German car, a 1997 540i, its quick and fast, but gave me too many electrical problems. That ll be the last Euro car I will own. And on the subject of the s2000, yeah theres no torque, but you just made my point, not enough tourque to turn a bolt, but just enough to run 13s 1/4 stock from a 4 cylinder non forced induction. Euros had a head start in building automobiles, but in about 10 years, we will see who will be surpassed.


--DNX-- A.k.A. The M5 Killa

 

I think the new Porsche 911 GT2 may have something to say about that..... :p

 

Oh man, I'm reminded of being a kid again thinking which side I should take. I'm 1/2 Japanese and 1/2 German to let you in on the reasoning behind my previous statement.

But anyway, I'm not going into great detail but Japanese cars will never get the same respect because they're made by Asians, period.

Although I love the brakes, the handling and just incase the crash worthiness of German cars but I would rather rely on the Japanese cars reliabilty on the long run.

Every car has it's pros and cons and the Japanese cars...well, the brakes suck big time IMO. But quality, no one compares to Toyota/Lexus IMO. I love MB and Porsche (I have family in Stuttgart as well as Munchen) are amazing automobiles but the reliabilty on German cars (specificaly electrical) is still a bit off in the long run IMO. Don't get me wrong, MB is great as long as you buy an E class or above.

If I wanted to get the best car and I didn't mind spending allot of dough maintaining it I would get a MB or Porsche depending on what I want. But if I were to get a car for my girl(wife?), I would get her a Lexus. As good as the German cars are, they are too Teutonic. The ergonomics are no where near it's Japanese counterparts.


Oh BTW, lets never forget the Japanese for improving the Automobile industry as a whole. They forced the US auto industry to step up their quality big time. And they helped and consulted the Germans on their manufacturing methods. If it weren't for the Japanese teaching the Germans how to better their assembly line back in the 80's, a 3 series would probably cost a whole lot more $$'s. I forgot the terminolgy for the manufacturing method... ah well.

It all depends on what you want really. This whole nonsense I wrote is just my opinion, I'm not going to start a war.

P.S. to KhmerTypeS- stop refering the Japanese as the "Japs" please....thanks.

 

The Japanese and Germans have their pros and cons. As far as sports cars are concerned you can go at it 2 ways. Japanese cars are loud, fast and raw, German muscle is more refined. At my age i prefer the loud exhaust not and screaming turbo noises out of a skyline, but maybe in a couple years i wouldn't mind a lot of power, comfy leather seats and a V8 with enough tourque so that i dont have to rev my motor hard and make it scream. To each their own, but for me I am still young and i want a car that i drive, not one that drives me. Mercedes and BMW rely too much on gadgets and gizmos that take the driving away from the driver. The NSX i drove let me feel the road much more. I always felt secure and knew where i was. Ive been in plenty of porches to justify the fact that they are beasts and that the NSX is way outdated compared to them. I guess i am 40/60 german/japan.

 

Hey I'm Khmer too.....

Well the way I see it is what ever you like you like, thats it

DNX huh....It looks promising, but it better perform.

 

When I first saw this post, I thought is was about World Cup Soccer:p

 

Are Japanese car better than German car? no, are all german car better than Japanese car? no.

There are things that japanese car does well, and same for german.

German car are more communicative, more solid chassis. Japanese car has better quality but are generally too blend for my taste.

 

you must be smokign some crazy ****...
German cars Killllll Japaneese ****s..
i have owned both types of cars, a bmw, benz, acura, toyota, and lexus....
German qualiy is so much better
bmw handling kills japz
bmw and mb make such raww power...they might not be no 4 seconds...but they make up for it in other departments....
germans out last japs??
last i checked...
on my ml 320 i have over 300k miles on it, and its runnign buetiful......
my camry
got 60k runs liek ****...
my tl has 5k i can feel the shifts soo hard....
even though i luv the tl ...it aint no mb or bmw, i would take a 330 over my tl anyday...

 

Thats allot of fvckin cars for a 19 year old to have owned (I thought your tranny in "your" ML gave out a few months ago?, thanks for sharing your wisdom and stop calling it "Japs"!!! I don't wanna call you a Camel Jockey.

 

Check out this link for motor of the year:
At least honda won something for efficiency...

http://en.carpoint.msn.ca/Browse/win...Home&pos=Edit1

 

German cars all the way...

we get jap cars coz of it's high resale vaule and the price...

if price isn't a matter...we would have got the Mercedes instead...

my parents owned all kinds of euros...BMW, MB, Volvo, Opel...

they love it so much...and it can't compare to the japanese cars...

just to let u know BMW's VANOS came out b4 the VTEC did...

 

first of all, you don't seem to know enough about bikes, so don't let me start on that. But go to your local bike shop and they will explain to you why they race in the same class.

Now as far as the NSX goes. I would take a 911 over the NSX for sure.

Are you really gonna pay 80k for a V6? Fine, talk about balance and all that, but come on that just doesn't cut it.

GT-R is nice, but it's too front end heavy, and you can't get it for a reasonable price in the US...

Evo VII, it has it's limitations, the car got no top end, why? because the aerodynamics.

German cars have the Porsche, Bimmer,and MB. To each of his own, but I just don't think the Japanese car that good after all.

You can rave all you want about an Evo VII, or WRX STi, but an M3 is still an M3. 911 will have no problem to hang with a NSX. The GT-R got some crazy powers if you mod it, but you can do that with an Audi S4 as well. ya know. M3 and S4 cost more than an Evo, but they are luxruy cars @ the same time.

They are just different...

 

I used to own a BMW, and When that thing started to need repairs, the Crap never ended, Week after week it was something new, I literally spent enough money on repairs to buy a new car! and the car wasn't even that old. Then My friend comes over with his honda CRX, it was 10 years old and had over 150K miles and that thing ran perfect!! After that I only bought Jap cars.

 

haha...my parents sold the bimmers and mercedes after the warrenty expired....so it trouble free

they used to change cars for every 3-4 yrs...

but now...with my acura...i am going to drive until it breaksdown...

 

I drove an '88 CRX Si for 9 years, sold it with 98K on it for 41% of what I bought it for new and that car need nothing but tires, brakes, wipers, a battery and 1 clutch at 88,000 miles. Needless to say I'm never NOT going to own a Honda product.

 

Man, I wouldn't touch this thread with a six foot pole :p

 

I have a 540i and a TLS and a 91 Accord EX. I must say I always want to take the BMW out to play. It so fun to drive. Honda's reliability wise beats BMW 1000 times over but the BMW beats honda in overall feel and satisfaction at the end to the day.

I Love that V8 engine and i wish Honda started making production model V8's. One good thing about Honda, it never gets keyed or scratched and the paint is far more durable then the Bimmers paint.

Still German cars have there own quarks and are extremly expensive to maintain. When I buy a 55K car I expect the Insturment anel and windows regulators not to fail!!!!!!!!

Never had a bad experience with Honda. Never been stranded.

Been stranded in the BMW three times because of exploding radiator etc etc etc!!!!!!

 

Has anyone here ever owned an NsX ..... or had one for any length of time ? i know people that have owned everything from ferraris to porsches and many of them would say the nsx is a great car but under powered. but lets not compare a sports car with a sporty sedan....and one more thing.....i didnt know asians built jap cars ....i thought they used to be made by japenese and now made by americans in there local plants here.

 

Thanks Tuff Gong...you beat me to it. But you were too gentle!

 

I've driven a few NSX' but spent allot of time behind the wheel of a '94 911 3.6 Turbo and a '91 C4 I'll take the 3.6 over the NSX for sure but who cares.....

....were you meaning to quote me on this one?

 

LOL! And I thought I was being harsh.

Mahalo

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by KhmerTypeS
[B]AKRY, I said state a car thats better than the NSX from Germany, not more expensive. On the track, the NSX will outperform any car from Germany in its stock form. The only car that will beat the NSX on the track is the Ferrari F355 spider(Italian not German). And for your informaton yes I have owned a German car, a 1997 540i, its quick and fast, but gave me too many electrical problems. That ll be the last Euro car I will own. And on the subject of the s2000, yeah theres no torque, but you just made my point, not enough tourque to turn a bolt, but just enough to run 13s 1/4 stock from a 4 cylinder non forced induction. Euros had a head start in building automobiles, but in about 10


Do you realize that this big V8 you were talking about for Ferrari is a 3.6 liter NA engine? It's specific output is not as great as the S2000, but it's got a bit of torque to back it up. You don't think a brand new M3 or M Roadster would give the NSX a run? SLK32 AMG surely would as well. How about the previous model Europe only Audi RS4?

If you're trying to make a point about how no car can match the NSX, pricewise, right? I'd take half that money for the NSX and buy a Z06 and blow your f'n doors off.

Japanese vehicles are the best made, IMO, and I'll be sticking with Honda/Acura for a while, untill it's time for the Bimmer.

 

i own both type germans and japanese...both got their touches i think the word that best decribes the japanese is conservative....hence why their still holding back on making a production type V8...as for the germans they gain grounds using big blocks which for luxury is much smoother (dont have to rev high to get the car moving) i do believe using bmw scores for reliability and comparing it to MB is wrong i know that bmw break down alot but they have gotten much better...but with mercedes....i cant say i have ever had a problem with it.......ive own 2 mercedes both of which are great cars...and 2 japanese cars.....just the feel of a german car feels like your in a tank and the feel of a japanese car is more like your in a go kart......gotta love that heavy german feel....

 

Exactly!! MB's are built like a Panzer tanks. Structurally, a German car such as a MB is waaaaaaaay stronger and safer then it's Japanese origami like unibody counterpart.

Screw Volvo and everybody else who brags about there safety, I would take MB over anything else in the world when it comes to crash worthiness and overall safety.

 

Driving a NsX and owning a NsX are two different things ......there are many former Porsche owners and ferrari owners on the NsX forum and although there are a few who may prefer the other car at least they can post an opinion based upon a long relationship with each car and not a tryst. Opinion are just opinion anyway....there like azzholes everyones got one and each ones different and to other people most of the others stink.

 

I can't touch this. Germans and Japanese make some wonderful cars as do us Americans. PERIOD.

 

i personally dont consider japs asians

 

LOL!! If I was to give a complete opinion for the NSX and the 911 detailing each little things about them, your right I can't.....and I never intended it as such. The NSX is a great car, but it's what "I" like about the 911 that has me choosing it over the NSX, not because I think it's a better car. They are two completely different cars to me.

I would love to have both but I have neither, I just love the 911's and was fortunate enough to spend allot of time driving them.

Like you said, it's just my smelly opinion.


OK, you got to clarify for the azzhole here.

You mean the "Japs" aren't Asians but the "Japanese" are....?...or are the Japanese.....???

 

i think people that are from asia are considered asian if im not wrong ?? and since you dont own either a 911 or a NsX lets not comment on either anymore please and i thank you for your honesty.

 

Your a funny guy pilot.

Should I have said "Japanese" in my original thread ISO "Asians"? It must have been that line...ahh well, I'll see ya around with some more productive threads.

Have a good one.

 

I just wanna be correct especially since some people are sensitive about the use of certain terms ...<< cough !!cough !! japs !! cough !! >>

 

BMW's are beautiful cars. They are made well and perform well. Having said that, cars in the same class German vs Japanese often times the German cars are more expensive. It might have something to do with Japanese cars being manufactured here, but we're talking thousands and thousands cheaper. We don't need to look further than our own TLs to prove that point.
Why do people talk about forced induction like it's cheating? I say if you can use force induction and keep fuel economy efficient, what does it matter? I don't see why more maufacturers don't do it.
As far as the word Japs are concerned, I don't think it's a very politically correct term. People in this country may have used it for many years now, but the term basically started in WWII (if I'm not mistaken) and is used more in a derogatory way. I realize some people may use it since it might be too long to type Japanese, so I vote for Jnese.

 

I would consider a German car if I was going to lease it and give it back. I buy my cars for the long haul so I stick with Honda.

 

german cars are also manufactured in the USA.

BMW plant in Greenville, South Carolina for example.

 

my family owns a japanese car (mine) a german car (my moms) and an american car (my dads). i personally would never give american cars the time of day except certains ones, and i drive both the jnese and german on and off consistently. the japanese car is a 94 Ac Legend, which was built/manufactured in japan. and the german is a 2001 MB E320. i must agree that both japanese and german cars have their pros and cons. i think that japanese brakes suck ass, but theyh are very reliable. german cars are so damn solid tho, and i feel so safe driving the benz. having said that, i can't really lean heavily towards one side so i would probably buy 1 of each lol.

 

that's rite...one each...
my dad was driving his company's 94 accord EX and my mom was driving a S320 back when i was in hong kong...

 

Japenese cars are now American and American cars are now Mexican.

The BMW plant is in Spartanburg SC and not greenville NC
They build Z3 and X5 there.

MB and BMW are built like panzer tanks


DAS Turtle
1997 BMW 540i "No problems for a year now" Amazing I tell you

02 TLS "February Production of 02"

91 Accord EX "Reliable and Dependable and not boring like a damn Carmy YUCKKK"