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10-20-2008, 07:12 PM
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The TL will run on it with no issues to the motor. You will probably see a reduction in mileage. (i get on average 30-60 miles less a tank with it)
10-20-2008, 07:17 PM
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Because the fuel has alchol, don't the rubber fuel lines have to be of a material that wont degrade over time? Otherwise I would be worried about a leak and then fire.
10-20-2008, 07:23 PM
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The govt (and automotive industry) state that 10% (and i think now 15) can be used safely with no adverse effects to the seals.
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10-21-2008, 11:42 AM
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according to the TL owner manual- up to 15% ethanol can be used
Guess what the new govt standard is going to be soon~
There are places, like Ca, that still have gas with MTBE- but its being switched over to ethanol by law everywhere
Make sure to run an engine cleaner/gas cleaner occassionaly, to clear the residue left behind by this less efficent gas
Guess what the new govt standard is going to be soon~
There are places, like Ca, that still have gas with MTBE- but its being switched over to ethanol by law everywhere
Make sure to run an engine cleaner/gas cleaner occassionaly, to clear the residue left behind by this less efficent gas
10-23-2008, 05:14 PM
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??? Hugh..
Hmmmmmm
If its so bad to have ethanol your gas why is both the US and Canadian governments spending so much energy (no pun intended) and research and companies like GM and others looking at E-85 fuels engines..???
Umm.. not to put a fine point on it.. (as mentioned above..) A number of fuel cleaners are based with ethanol... It burn cleaner =lower emissions, so if you live where you need emissions tests, well the choice is clear....its great for keeping the fuel system clean.
and another plus, for those living where it Really gets cold in winter, you WANT your 10% ethanol in your gas.
Granted, a gallon of ethanol has less energy than a gallon of regular gas, but a 10% blend, you'll never see the difference.
I use it whenever I can.
J
Hmmmmmm
If its so bad to have ethanol your gas why is both the US and Canadian governments spending so much energy (no pun intended) and research and companies like GM and others looking at E-85 fuels engines..???
Umm.. not to put a fine point on it.. (as mentioned above..) A number of fuel cleaners are based with ethanol... It burn cleaner =lower emissions, so if you live where you need emissions tests, well the choice is clear....its great for keeping the fuel system clean.
and another plus, for those living where it Really gets cold in winter, you WANT your 10% ethanol in your gas.
Granted, a gallon of ethanol has less energy than a gallon of regular gas, but a 10% blend, you'll never see the difference.
I use it whenever I can.
J
10-23-2008, 05:29 PM
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It's not bad for the car at all. You might see a reduction in MPG because 10% of your fuel is ethanol which has less energy then gas.
Both governments though it would help reduce the oil consumed and bring energy independence by developing an alternative fuel. So the US put millions into the concept only to realize later it's dangerous to take a food product like corn and tie it to energy demands.
Here in the US we produce more corn for non-human consumption then we do for consumption. Most corn grown is bitter and intended for feed or fuel.
Now we fatten our animals on it, and eat corn saturated meet. It's deadly. See the doc 'King Corn'.
Both governments though it would help reduce the oil consumed and bring energy independence by developing an alternative fuel. So the US put millions into the concept only to realize later it's dangerous to take a food product like corn and tie it to energy demands.
Here in the US we produce more corn for non-human consumption then we do for consumption. Most corn grown is bitter and intended for feed or fuel.
Now we fatten our animals on it, and eat corn saturated meet. It's deadly. See the doc 'King Corn'.
10-23-2008, 06:02 PM
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some years ago- MTBE was touted as the answer to what to put in the gasoline by the gasoline makers. Thats what all states had.
That was fine until they realized it was also a huge hazmat to the earth itself!! and decided to switch over to the ethanol blended instead.
MANY Auto makers have listed 15% ethanol as max allowable, and States/station brands that have phased out the MTBE are on a 10% ethanol blend,,,with 15 coming soon to everyone!!!
Guess what farm equipment uses- OIL!!!
And the real reason for it all,, IMO: Iowa is corn country- remember who is the first State in a presidential election- who wants to garner favor with those voters by giving their economy a big boost?? politicians!!! sure- corn- yeah sounds great- food for oil- we have done that before right?? oh turn food INTO oil- thats just stupid
studies- we dont need no stinking studies
The remaining states with MTBE will get caught up and comply within a few years, and it will all be 15% ethanol in normal gasoline
Reduced performance- increased combustion byproduct to reduce the lifespan between oil changes...what a great plan this has worked out to be --for someone
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E-85 engines are a different design- more like diesel- which was originally designed to run on corn oil, lamp oil, or whatever you could find, not specialized diesel fuel~
The whole corn useage thing and Big Oil- they LOVE ethanol- it takes MORE energy and materials to make 1 gallon of it than gas- and it takes their products to make the machines work~
I am adding a Water World secret sail in the TL trunk~
That was fine until they realized it was also a huge hazmat to the earth itself!! and decided to switch over to the ethanol blended instead.
MANY Auto makers have listed 15% ethanol as max allowable, and States/station brands that have phased out the MTBE are on a 10% ethanol blend,,,with 15 coming soon to everyone!!!
Guess what farm equipment uses- OIL!!!
And the real reason for it all,, IMO: Iowa is corn country- remember who is the first State in a presidential election- who wants to garner favor with those voters by giving their economy a big boost?? politicians!!! sure- corn- yeah sounds great- food for oil- we have done that before right?? oh turn food INTO oil- thats just stupid
studies- we dont need no stinking studies
The remaining states with MTBE will get caught up and comply within a few years, and it will all be 15% ethanol in normal gasoline
Reduced performance- increased combustion byproduct to reduce the lifespan between oil changes...what a great plan this has worked out to be --for someone
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E-85 engines are a different design- more like diesel- which was originally designed to run on corn oil, lamp oil, or whatever you could find, not specialized diesel fuel~
The whole corn useage thing and Big Oil- they LOVE ethanol- it takes MORE energy and materials to make 1 gallon of it than gas- and it takes their products to make the machines work~
I am adding a Water World secret sail in the TL trunk~
10-23-2008, 07:22 PM
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??? Hugh..
Hmmmmmm
If its so bad to have ethanol your gas why is both the US and Canadian governments spending so much energy (no pun intended) and research and companies like GM and others looking at E-85 fuels engines..???
Umm.. not to put a fine point on it.. (as mentioned above..) A number of fuel cleaners are based with ethanol... It burn cleaner =lower emissions, so if you live where you need emissions tests, well the choice is clear....its great for keeping the fuel system clean.
and another plus, for those living where it Really gets cold in winter, you WANT your 10% ethanol in your gas.
Granted, a gallon of ethanol has less energy than a gallon of regular gas, but a 10% blend, you'll never see the difference.
I use it whenever I can.
J
Hmmmmmm
If its so bad to have ethanol your gas why is both the US and Canadian governments spending so much energy (no pun intended) and research and companies like GM and others looking at E-85 fuels engines..???
Umm.. not to put a fine point on it.. (as mentioned above..) A number of fuel cleaners are based with ethanol... It burn cleaner =lower emissions, so if you live where you need emissions tests, well the choice is clear....its great for keeping the fuel system clean.
and another plus, for those living where it Really gets cold in winter, you WANT your 10% ethanol in your gas.
Granted, a gallon of ethanol has less energy than a gallon of regular gas, but a 10% blend, you'll never see the difference.
I use it whenever I can.
J
Its well known E85 gets worse mileage. The Tahoe goes from 20mpg hwy to 13. How is that better? The GOVT and the tree huggers forced this crap on us. Its not good. Not to mention the energy it takes to produce it is more than gasoline, where does that energy come from. Its not cleaner.
10-23-2008, 08:48 PM
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Is that why then most get worse mileage in the winter? Is that also why most who complain about lower MPG have 10% mandated on them?
Its well known E85 gets worse mileage. The Tahoe goes from 20mpg hwy to 13. How is that better? The GOVT and the tree huggers forced this crap on us. Its not good. Not to mention the energy it takes to produce it is more than gasoline, where does that energy come from. Its not cleaner.
Its well known E85 gets worse mileage. The Tahoe goes from 20mpg hwy to 13. How is that better? The GOVT and the tree huggers forced this crap on us. Its not good. Not to mention the energy it takes to produce it is more than gasoline, where does that energy come from. Its not cleaner.
12-28-2008, 03:48 PM
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i have been using mohawk and husky gas in all my cars every since i have been driving and they are both 10 percent ethanol i have had my tl for 5 years now and i notice that i get better performance from those fuels compared to chevron and petro canada and all other gas chains..
12-28-2008, 03:51 PM
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i have been using mohawk and husky gas in all my cars every since i have been driving and they are both 10 percent ethanol i have had my tl for 5 years now and i notice that i get better performance from those fuels compared to chevron and petro canada and all other gas chains..
12-28-2008, 05:31 PM
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12-28-2008, 09:04 PM
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Its an additive to help clean. If you have never used any fuel that didnt have 10% in it you would never notice a difference. Additives like Techron and stuff wont change it, they are used to clean deposits like fuel injector cleaner.
12-28-2008, 09:42 PM
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the other stuff they USED to put in gas was MTBE, but thats been/being phased out and its all 10% Ethanol- the us govt mandated it- the car makers say their cars are ok on 10% ethanol,
We know they get worse mileage and run dirtier,
but Big Corn is doing well ~thanks for asking
We know they get worse mileage and run dirtier,
but Big Corn is doing well ~thanks for asking
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12-28-2008, 09:44 PM
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Does better power from off brands also mean better mileage than with chevron?
12-28-2008, 10:34 PM
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I hate ethonal... on a recent trip to PA I stopped at a gulf gas station that had a sign saying no ethonal and filled up from e I got an extra 80 miles avg on that tank of gas... have failed miserably trying to obtain that mileage again with the %10 ethonal gas here... is there some kind of state law in NY that requires ethonal use?
12-29-2008, 11:34 AM
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12-29-2008, 11:34 AM
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I hate ethonal... on a recent trip to PA I stopped at a gulf gas station that had a sign saying no ethonal and filled up from e I got an extra 80 miles avg on that tank of gas... have failed miserably trying to obtain that mileage again with the %10 ethonal gas here... is there some kind of state law in NY that requires ethonal use?
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