Dyno rwhp AEM Cold Air / Air By-Pass Valve
09-19-2003, 06:56 PM
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Dyno whp AEM Cold Air / Air By-Pass Valve
I just installed my AEM Cold Air intake along with air by-pass valve in my 03 A-Spec. AEM clames a 15 whp gain at high RPM, they say the valve reduces hp by a minut amount. I want to know what AEM considers minut and has anyone put there car on the dyno to see if the cold air intake increased HP and installed the air valve did another dyno run to see what the decrease is? Please no guestaments or seat of the paints feel only hard core data.
09-19-2003, 09:04 PM
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15 whp!? NOPE.
not unless you have some sort of forced induction.....
I am sure you will gain 5whp at the MOST.
the bypass valve is a good idea just in case it gets a little wet
not unless you have some sort of forced induction.....
I am sure you will gain 5whp at the MOST.
the bypass valve is a good idea just in case it gets a little wet
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Yeah i agree, some of you guys think that intake/headers/exaust give like 15whp each by themselves. Just isnt real. A 3-6whp gain is typical for each of these mods.
09-21-2003, 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by SeCsTaC
Yeah i agree, some of you guys think that intake/headers/exaust give like 15whp each by themselves. Just isnt real. A 3-6whp gain is typical for each of these mods.
Yeah i agree, some of you guys think that intake/headers/exaust give like 15whp each by themselves. Just isnt real. A 3-6whp gain is typical for each of these mods.
09-21-2003, 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by Black-n-Tan
what ive gathered from all of the reading ive done, headers will give up to 30 whp on a type s. people usually say around 7whp for the cai, a little more with the icebox (both on tl-s). exhaust is prob minimal, maybe 2-4, but i have heard reports of slightly more with a custom catback setup. this is just what ive read mostly on this site
what ive gathered from all of the reading ive done, headers will give up to 30 whp on a type s. people usually say around 7whp for the cai, a little more with the icebox (both on tl-s). exhaust is prob minimal, maybe 2-4, but i have heard reports of slightly more with a custom catback setup. this is just what ive read mostly on this site
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Originally posted by Black-n-Tan
what ive gathered from all of the reading ive done, headers will give up to 30 whp on a type s. people usually say around 7whp for the cai, a little more with the icebox (both on tl-s). exhaust is prob minimal, maybe 2-4, but i have heard reports of slightly more with a custom catback setup. this is just what ive read mostly on this site
what ive gathered from all of the reading ive done, headers will give up to 30 whp on a type s. people usually say around 7whp for the cai, a little more with the icebox (both on tl-s). exhaust is prob minimal, maybe 2-4, but i have heard reports of slightly more with a custom catback setup. this is just what ive read mostly on this site
09-21-2003, 11:53 PM
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and how much do you say headers make? 20-25whp? rofl honestly i dont know why you guys think your basic mods make so much hp. ignorant biased i dont know. Im not being trying to be a jerk or anything just some of these numbers are hard to believe.
09-21-2003, 11:59 PM
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research before you try to prove your point, every car is different but the TL's gain quite a bit (i've heard 20-30whp) from headers alone....
check out the stone headers thread with dyno pics...
check out the stone headers thread with dyno pics...
09-22-2003, 09:08 AM
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SeCsTaC:
It's not on Comptech's website anymore (only the TL is there), but there is probably an old thread here with a copy of the TL-S dyno for the headers...It was indeed more than 30whp over 6500rpms...Granted, the usable hp was very high in the range and the torque gain were less than I think 17lb (best of my memory), but the gains were there. The Icebox dyno I saw was like 13hp/12tq all across the range even from lower rpm's as well which is different that the AEM/Injen stuff.
However, I do agree that you just can't "add" up all your mods since they interact with one another for a total rather than combine gain...
ps-the Comptech S/C is around 40whp and similar torque as well across the entire range--higher gains on the CL-S 6speed...
It's not on Comptech's website anymore (only the TL is there), but there is probably an old thread here with a copy of the TL-S dyno for the headers...It was indeed more than 30whp over 6500rpms...Granted, the usable hp was very high in the range and the torque gain were less than I think 17lb (best of my memory), but the gains were there. The Icebox dyno I saw was like 13hp/12tq all across the range even from lower rpm's as well which is different that the AEM/Injen stuff.
However, I do agree that you just can't "add" up all your mods since they interact with one another for a total rather than combine gain...
ps-the Comptech S/C is around 40whp and similar torque as well across the entire range--higher gains on the CL-S 6speed...
09-22-2003, 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by SeCsTaC
"headers will give up to 30 whp on a type s" so your saying headers give more hp than a comptech supercharger? dude headers will give 2-10hp. I've never seen anyone back there claims up with a dyno, so basically itz all guesses. If you read on some import magazines that occasionally install these items and dyno it youll see that typical gains for each are 1-7whp. the most common ive seen is 2-5whp. jeez 30whp from headers ahaha
"headers will give up to 30 whp on a type s" so your saying headers give more hp than a comptech supercharger? dude headers will give 2-10hp. I've never seen anyone back there claims up with a dyno, so basically itz all guesses. If you read on some import magazines that occasionally install these items and dyno it youll see that typical gains for each are 1-7whp. the most common ive seen is 2-5whp. jeez 30whp from headers ahaha
09-22-2003, 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by SeCsTaC
and how much do you say headers make? 20-25whp? rofl honestly i dont know why you guys think your basic mods make so much hp. ignorant biased i dont know. Im not being trying to be a jerk or anything just some of these numbers are hard to believe.
and how much do you say headers make? 20-25whp? rofl honestly i dont know why you guys think your basic mods make so much hp. ignorant biased i dont know. Im not being trying to be a jerk or anything just some of these numbers are hard to believe.
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=98338
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=98586
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=82439
There were more but I didn't feel like posting all of them.
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UPDATE
OK, this is an update, I talked to a tech. From AEM. He said that the Cold Air Intake will give the TL Type S 15whp @ 6500 RPMs if you install the air bypass valve the reduction will be 1whp. This is due to the nature of our engines. The vtech engine is designed to produce large amounts of horsepower in the upper rpm range.
09-22-2003, 07:09 PM
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Here are some links on common modification dynos. They are tested by Import Tuner magazine so i know they aren't biased towards any car or product, not saying u guyz are but just to be sure. The first one is from comptech themselves on the website. The rest is import tuner. These arent TL dynos but this is why i say that 30WHP or even 20WHP is hard to swallow from just headers.
http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dy...percharger.pdf
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0206it_ppaccord/
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0205it_ppintegra/
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0108it_pps2k/
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0102it_civicsi/
http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dy...percharger.pdf
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0206it_ppaccord/
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0205it_ppintegra/
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0108it_pps2k/
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0102it_civicsi/
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Originally posted by r10apple
ps-the Comptech S/C is around 40whp and similar torque as well across the entire range--higher gains on the CL-S 6speed...
ps-the Comptech S/C is around 40whp and similar torque as well across the entire range--higher gains on the CL-S 6speed...
SeCsTaC, I agree that you are right on the money in your estimate of hp increase for headers-only on an average application. However, the TL type S doesn't respond to headers like the average application. There are plenty of dynos floating around to prove it.
09-23-2003, 08:51 AM
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Here are some links on common modification dynos. They are tested by Import Tuner magazine so i know they aren't biased towards any car or product, not saying u guyz are but just to be sure.
:thefinger So, STFU!
http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dyno/2000CLSplot.pdf
(for headers only on ’01 CL-S (auto) with peak gain of 32hp)
http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dy...spd_icebox.pdf
(for Icebox only on ’03 CL-S (6sp) with peak gains of 14hp)
http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dy...ls6auto_sc.pdf
(for s/c on ’01 CL-S (auto) with peak gains of 45hp/36.6tq over gains with just h/e)
09-23-2003, 08:56 AM
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thank you r10apple ive been looking for those! 
09-23-2003, 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by fla-tls
FYI - I just got back from the shop where I had my rwhp dyno'ed.
Just as I suspected.....
0 hp.
(Maybe some more stickers would help???)
FYI - I just got back from the shop where I had my rwhp dyno'ed.
Just as I suspected.....
0 hp.
(Maybe some more stickers would help???)
SecStac, the TLS responds differently so you can't make that assumption about the headers. There is a video on ACL that shows a CLS with h/e/i/p vs a CLS with same mods plus a SC. Haven't seen it yet cuz I'm at work but sounds like the CLS with SC pulled pretty hard on the other.
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