loojoohnnyl

i am debating if i should keep my 2002 tl-p and get a civic si. gas is going up and i dont think i can afford gas on the tl no more. please help me!

LIPPSTUH

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you actually won't save money in the end... the difference in the cost of buying a new car + selling the old car (remember taxes as well) you will not save money in the end at the pump.


but its a great car if u just want a new car.

WillrunifChased

Yes ^^^

Trading your car to a civic Si is a bad idea. The money you lose trading to the newer more expensive car will not even be close to the savings in gas. For example: I figured it out two months ago with the amount I drive if I bought a Fit I would only save $600 a year on gas.

03bl AC k CL

do you make payments on the tl? youre going to pay more money per month to get a bit better fuel economy? plus lose the luxury, power, prestige of the TL vs civic? not a good idea imo. i thought about it as well, but the mere fact that i am downgrading for more money turned me off.

co1063

my friend gets worse gas mileage than me. he has a 07 si sedan. plus i've raced him a few times and beat him every time. so an si is basically a downgrade.

if you really want to trade, i'd get either a civic hybrid or a civic GX NGV

loojoohnnyl

yes the tl is paid off since the day i bought it and i kinda do want a new car just because i want to drive a stick car and it a 4 banger sporty car. i duno i am still thinking.

loojoohnnyl

how does the new civic si get worser gas mileage compare to a v6 tl?

co1063

it doesn't get good mileage to start with, that combined with my friend's driving style makes him get worse mileage than me.

how about an evo or sti?

kabota

try a used honda civic

Trackruner228

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I back up everyone saying by the time you pay fees your not going to save money.

IlovemyAcura

i want a Civic Si....but i hear if u just get the reg civic 2 door u get like 5 or 6 more MPG

n1njai

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-_- 08 SI? I wouldn't do it......TL is a great car....and if you're gonna spend that much money just for a manual...why not go 6speed route?

ChrisQ1980

If you want a new car, then test drive it and see how you like it. It's a good all around car. Don't buy it to save gas because it will turn out to be around $40-$50 a month is savings.

Razzi

buy a car cause you like it. not cause it's gonna save you a dollar a day on gas. shoot, pick up a few cans along the road, recycle that. there, you've done your share of tree huggin and got money for the gas

ftLauTL

Ya dude stick with the TL. What you spend on getting the new car plus selling the car at a low price because of the economy does not outweigh what you spend at the pump ya know

derrick

Don't bother with changing cars, as others have already suggested.

The cost of switching over does not offset the 'savings' of fuel. And if you get the Si, I'm sure your insurance will go up (another consideration).

But I do sympathize about going from an auto to a manual transmission. I got the 'bug' and switched to a car with a manual.

jjashaa

iTrader: (23)

how about... just don't drive... jeez..... most simple solution out there imo...

rob-2

Honda civic 36mpg highway, my tl 33mpg.

The simple numbers would have to put you at $400-500/month in gas savings just for you to break even on a new car purchase.

So unless you're going to save that much on your new car, hybrid or not; you're spending money to feel like your saving. Classic mistake.

BTW - gas prices are going to crash. You heard it here first.

TOTAL~LUSH

also take a look at your driving habits.
dont floor it off the line, or be doin 30 over the speed limit all day. Take it easy and you will get better gas mileage. watch your tire pressure aswell.

FastInFairway

I wish they were going to crash... between the storm predictions and tankers full of oil just sitting in the gulf and not being processed, they're talking $5-6 a gallon by the time summer is up.

It's not going to get any cheaper for any of us... and buying a new car takes a long time to break even. You won't get what you want from a trade, more economical cars are harder to bargain with at the dealer, then you plop down taxes and fees and you're in the whole. It'll take a year or two worth of gas to "break even." If you were driving a Tahoe or an Expedition I could understand moving to a civic, you'd see a difference there, but not much "savings" moving from the TL.

t0ast

if you really want a compact stick, consider looking into a used Si so you won't take the hit of depreciation - although you'd have to worry about whether the previous owner tore it up beforehand.

BOSSIN$TL

DONT DOWNGRADE TO A CIVIC. and if you get anything in the 90's...be prepared to get it stolen. thats a fact. civic crx integ, so easy to break into and believe me, IT WILL HAPPEN! new SI's are nice though, if you like civics

Aman

Get a Geo Metro as a daily beater. Probably gets better mileage too, and keep the TL

rob-2

buy a 70's civic, gets 55mpg highway... screw hybrid technology.

rob-2

It's going to get worse before it gets better. However oil in it's current form is moving to be over valued. Like anything that becomes over valued, the big players get out before everyone else gets burned. It's not physical demand for oil that is driving up spot prices, it's speculation. Investors call this a 'bubble' when it pops prices will fall. Just like housing did, and at that time no one saw why or how the pricing would fall. Go back to the dot com bubble or even worse the Enron issue. All similar to what is happening now.

Investors are just moving to something different, something largely unregulated. Getting their profits out of everyone, pennies at a time.

ChrisQ1980

Buying any car won't save you money at this point. A TL isn't big enough of a "gas guzzler" to see any savings. How much driving do you do? Do you commute?

Seeing as I'm in construction, it's very hard to keep my TL clean anymore, and I drive about 110 miles round trip a day, so I'm looking to find a very good deal on an older Corolla, Civic, Sentra, just for work, not only for the gas mileage, but to save the abuse on the TL, and getting it dirty. My TL is getting 26-28mpg 85%highway. It cost me $70 to fill up with premium last week. I'd much rather fill up a 13 gallon tank with regular for about $45.

You have to add th cost of maintence, gas, insurance as well when getting a new or 2nd car.

jjashaa

iTrader: (23)

buy a bike... pedal yourself.. that'll save you tons... and give you a nice excercise.

si1point6

THe 2008 Civic Si does not get as great gas mileage as you may think. According to MSN Autos, it gets 21 city/29 hwy, and I'm sure it due to the increased horsepower over the non-Si Civics (26/34 Manual, 25/36 Automatic):
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Glance.aspx?year=2008&make=Honda&model=Civic& trimid=106123#specs

As a comparison, MSN Autos says the 2002 TL-P gets 19 city/29 hwy, not much difference from the Civic Si:
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Glance.aspx?year=2002&make=Acura&model=TL

So, if you're going to get the Si, get it because you want a new car. Otherwise you'll be very disappointed with the minimal fuel savings over your TL-P

fsttyms1

Unless your driving a full size truck, buying a new car because of the gas prices is plain stupid.

loojoohnnyl

yes i do want the new civic si because i want a new car and to drive stick. i do want to sell my tl before warranty expire for tranny issue.

DC3328

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if you've got an 02-03 and its not a type s, get rid of it

TOTAL~LUSH

Have YOU DRIVEN the SI??

rob-2

buying a brand new car is the best way to loose money. Pick one up that is 6-18 months old and save yourself a ton of cash.

BTW - have you driven on the highway in a civic? It's nothing like the ride in a 2nd gen tl. You might be in for a surprise. It's so loud.

IlovemyAcura

Buy a 2008/2009 Smart car

TOTAL~LUSH

Drive the SI first. It might change your mind on what you wanna buy!

My vote is the Honda FIT.

03bl AC k CL

get a CL-S 6 speed... unless youre set on a new car

loojoohnnyl

yea i have the regular bs model.

loojoohnnyl

i like 4 door better.

nguyen

get a bike!

08 r6 ce ftw

Edward'TLS

Sell the TL as soon as possible. The gas price will remain high for years to come. There's no point keeping the car if you can't afford to drive it.