Custom "ROOF" mount spoiler we're working on...PICS inside! :)
#41
i have a sarona kit but i had to cuztom mine on and what
Originally posted by miltcharlie
What I am saying. Is at even 60-75mph you will more then likely experience a fishtail effect. It may not be extreme but, chances are you will notice the lack of feeling in the ass of the car. And God forbid that you are in a high wind area, ie.Oklahoma.
So why spend money on something that does not enhance you ride.
Look in dic under (modify).
is right if you put the wrong wing on you will fishtail it happened to me a while back. but i'm not sure but the roof spoiler if it does affect the car that much.
Originally posted by miltcharlie
What I am saying. Is at even 60-75mph you will more then likely experience a fishtail effect. It may not be extreme but, chances are you will notice the lack of feeling in the ass of the car. And God forbid that you are in a high wind area, ie.Oklahoma.
So why spend money on something that does not enhance you ride.
Look in dic under (modify).
is right if you put the wrong wing on you will fishtail it happened to me a while back. but i'm not sure but the roof spoiler if it does affect the car that much.
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I think it's safe to say that for most of us, designing a spoiler that does actual productive work is beyond our means and knowledge. Some of us here may be able to make something that looks great, but may not be productive in the workings of our car. The results of changing the airflow over any car is unpredictable--ranging from lowering the top speed (as is the case with the Ford Mustang and factory spoiler) to increasing stability greatly (as is the case with the Audi TT, when they added the small lip guy on the rear after 2001 due to cars spinning out and losing control on the Autobahns of Germany.) So, as they say, Caveat Emptor!
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Now that the argument hase been commuted by both sides of the table.
Daimler650 has a point
Maybe suggestions are now in order.
Maybe if directional vents could be installed, then the down force could be sent down and over instead of up and away.
Daimler650 has a point
Maybe suggestions are now in order.
Maybe if directional vents could be installed, then the down force could be sent down and over instead of up and away.
#45
Originally posted by miltcharlie
Hey asiankidd? Get a life.
U dumb sun ov a bat.
If you want to spend your money and look like a a$$hole on your own.
Fine!
But a bad idea is a bad idea. And If you don't understand the concept of a forum. Then U r as dumb as they come
And for your infomation (u sun of a bat). Wind and ran does effect your cars handling and to have no down force on your trunk does make a diff.
Hey asiankidd? Get a life.
U dumb sun ov a bat.
If you want to spend your money and look like a a$$hole on your own.
Fine!
But a bad idea is a bad idea. And If you don't understand the concept of a forum. Then U r as dumb as they come
And for your infomation (u sun of a bat). Wind and ran does effect your cars handling and to have no down force on your trunk does make a diff.
JON
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Final point. rear roof spoilers are usually on hatchbacks. They need the extra FORCE on there roofs.
Now I am done. No more to say. That's all. finished. done!
Now I am done. No more to say. That's all. finished. done!
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haha... ya nikkahs are funny!!! HHmm, can a 5 lb roof wing cause our heavy ass car to fishtail?? I better tell my friends with roof wings to hurry and rip their **** off before they wreck their cars!!
I DONT THINK SO TIM!!!!! heh
Hey Ron, how much are you charging?? Can you make one the exact shape of the ones i've seen on S classes?? Thanks
I DONT THINK SO TIM!!!!! heh
Hey Ron, how much are you charging?? Can you make one the exact shape of the ones i've seen on S classes?? Thanks
#49
Originally posted by miltcharlie
Final point. rear roof spoilers are usually on hatchbacks. They need the extra FORCE on there roofs.
Now I am done. No more to say. That's all. finished. done!
Final point. rear roof spoilers are usually on hatchbacks. They need the extra FORCE on there roofs.
Now I am done. No more to say. That's all. finished. done!
Oh well........all I wanted to say to those people who wanted a roof spoiler on their TL is that to try a M3/M5 spoiler lip. I know some1 had it as a roof spoiler. I have no idea if he had to modify it but it looked nice.
#50
I guess people misunderstand what is a difference between a wing and a spoiler... I don't want to get too nik picky about the terminology: but I believed Wing generally considered as an apperance enhancement instead of a functional piece.
I believe one Magazine (C&D? MotorTrend? Road&Track?) did some very extensive testing (and a little history) about wings and spoilers couple years ago.
Another point is people do interprete the Aerodynamic as "Down Force" That's wrong. The function of the spoilers and even the whole car (body) design had an effect on both the Drag and Down force... Most of the Hatchback's wing doesn't used as a downforce device but to decrease drag for the boxy body style.....
now for some who put a 'roof spoiler' that is actually sit higher than the roof line really do harm for the whole car's aerodynamic, but instead someone here said "it will create too much down force and make the car fish tail", which is totally wrong, the spoiler probably slow the car's top speed down dramatically... and if it really "creates downforce" the car's front end will be lighten up and thus have worse feeling (less grip= unstable) on the front wheels. Not to mention Understeer and unfavorable change of Handling characteristics at hi speed corners... that had nothing to do with fish-tailing..( fish tailing means an uncontrollable manner due to loss of grip at the rear end, ...mainly driver's lack of ability to control/ recover from oversteer... do you agree??)
Last but not least, roof spoilers on cars with trunks is merely a show piece. ( I saw one comment on the BMW AC Schnizer roof spoiler says ".. it will have a better visibility on Hiway since rain won't drop on it.." I doubt that, if wind don't go thru there, then the water accumulated on the windows before the car's running at highway speed will stay on the windows forever, the rear visibility will be impair with those water drops staying there, right??)
I believe one Magazine (C&D? MotorTrend? Road&Track?) did some very extensive testing (and a little history) about wings and spoilers couple years ago.
Another point is people do interprete the Aerodynamic as "Down Force" That's wrong. The function of the spoilers and even the whole car (body) design had an effect on both the Drag and Down force... Most of the Hatchback's wing doesn't used as a downforce device but to decrease drag for the boxy body style.....
now for some who put a 'roof spoiler' that is actually sit higher than the roof line really do harm for the whole car's aerodynamic, but instead someone here said "it will create too much down force and make the car fish tail", which is totally wrong, the spoiler probably slow the car's top speed down dramatically... and if it really "creates downforce" the car's front end will be lighten up and thus have worse feeling (less grip= unstable) on the front wheels. Not to mention Understeer and unfavorable change of Handling characteristics at hi speed corners... that had nothing to do with fish-tailing..( fish tailing means an uncontrollable manner due to loss of grip at the rear end, ...mainly driver's lack of ability to control/ recover from oversteer... do you agree??)
Last but not least, roof spoilers on cars with trunks is merely a show piece. ( I saw one comment on the BMW AC Schnizer roof spoiler says ".. it will have a better visibility on Hiway since rain won't drop on it.." I doubt that, if wind don't go thru there, then the water accumulated on the windows before the car's running at highway speed will stay on the windows forever, the rear visibility will be impair with those water drops staying there, right??)
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Originally posted by TL BIGDOG
what ever happened to this roof spoiler?
what ever happened to this roof spoiler?
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Here is my take.
It may look good but here is something to think about.
I used to drive a supra and the factory spoiler is pretty big. I would take the car out and do a bunch of high speed run with group of people. When we pull over, I noticed a lot of condensation under the spoiler. What does this mean? Well there is a lot of downward force on that spoiler. What does that mean when the downward force is pushed against your rear windshield versus the trunK? How much force does it take to break the glass?
I agree with the other poster regarding how the aerodynmic of the car may change but I would be more concern about having the glass to re-inforce the spoiler.
I used to drive a supra and the factory spoiler is pretty big. I would take the car out and do a bunch of high speed run with group of people. When we pull over, I noticed a lot of condensation under the spoiler. What does this mean? Well there is a lot of downward force on that spoiler. What does that mean when the downward force is pushed against your rear windshield versus the trunK? How much force does it take to break the glass?
I agree with the other poster regarding how the aerodynmic of the car may change but I would be more concern about having the glass to re-inforce the spoiler.
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