Davidas

How many of you would buy it when it will be release next year by Comptech?

numbaonexstunna

i would............in a heartbeat.....


2002 Aegean Blue TL Type S
Aem CAI
Neuspeed Strut Bar
Eibach Pro-Kit (2.2/1.8)

RedLined

By the time it comes out, I'll have so many miles on my car, I don't think it would be worth it. However, if I replace my TLS w/ another TLS, I'd probably get it.

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

I won't.... couple of reasons.... tranny can't handle the extra power and it will be way to expensive b/c it's from CompTech. If it only puts out around 50hp and isn't that much money I may think about it....

Beiruty

My understanding is that if you want to do the Comptech SC you have to rebuild the transmission from level 10...

Once should think of SC Comptech Type-S as AMG version of the Type-S....

Nicely done Comptech Type-s:

1) Comptech SC
2) Comptech IceBox
3) Comptech Headers
4) Comptech Anti-Sways bars
5) Comptech Sprigs (optional)
6) Comptech Mufflers (optional)
7) 18 rims with 235/40/18 Summer tires
8) Brambo Braking kits


AND

level 10 FULLY re-built transmittion with Selectable Shifting Electronic Control



Now, could you justify the total cost?

Please someone do the math and let us see is it still better value than say an AMG C32 or on M3 or any $50,000 Car?

RiCE-DaDDy

level 10?? i dont know anythin bout upgraded autos
can anyone explain it to me ? how much would that cost?

astro

I hope to be the first one on the board with it...

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

For my "too expensive" reason, see Beiruty's post. This was the conversation on the CL board and it seemed that a $2500 supercharger (estimate on the price) would cost anywhere from $5k to $10k depending on how much you strenghtened the tranny through L10.......

rockinTLS

I caught the following info from Mike (Comptech) on the Comptech forum: "It will include a new fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, blower unit, air box and associated mounting and drive hardware. We're aiming for a target price of $5000, hopefully less." Now add a large chunk of change for L10 upgrades. Ouch.

Not in my budget...

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

sooo, you're saying our estimate is wrong

Damn, that's nuts... forget about it if it's at that price point. Not worth it at all....

bricot

Way to expensive for the modest gain, the upgrade to tranny, and other wear in tear. I added the headers and there was a slightly noticeable affect with the alleged 32 HP at the wheels on a dyno. So 28 more HP (assuming it is a 50 HP mod)?? At what cost including associated upgrades? Whooptie Do.

Let see for arguments sake lets assume $7500 (in the middle of JuniorBeans estimate) divided by 50 HP = $150 per HP

So you would pay $600 for a cold air intake (4 HP), etc..

I'll be happy to let someone else be proud owner of that mod if it winds up being in that price range.

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

yeah, lets all wait and let Astroboy be the guinnea pig!!
There's no way I'm getting this mod. At $2500 I wouldn't do it.... at $5k plus tranny upgrades, no way in hell......

Mr Hyde

At $5000 + install + Level 10, its not worth it to me. For $5000 installed including tranny upgrades maybe in a few years, but definitely not now. Especially for the gains.

As is with Comptech Headers my car feels just fine. Toss is the ??? mod and I should be pushin over 300HP easy. Thats plenty right now. Of course more is always better, but at well over $5000, its not worth it for me.

tdoh

Nice to hear that some of you guys apparently aren't hurting for money given how the economy is currently going. At the rate that you guys keep spending on TL-S mods the economy will be healthy in no time!!

Tony

Las Vegas TLS

I think there are some people who want their cars to be the fastest in the league. If speed was the only thing that counted you should of purchased a Camaro or Firebird. Bang for your buck and straight line performance, I don't think there is much that can beat it. But you didn't buy a Firebird, we all purchased TL's. I think a supercharger is a good upgrade if you want a fast car and you want it to be a TL. Just think what the TLS with headers, intake and a supercharger would feel like.
Everyone and their brother can afford an intake and some others can afford headers, but a supercharger, you would be unique.
I think a turbo would probally make more sence than a super?

bricot

Well if thats the case why not scrap the engine all together and start from the ground up, probably spend less on that than the supercharger alone?

Las Vegas TLS

You really could start over but I think the stock engine is pretty strong. I think you could probally do something with the heads to help them breath a little better.
I not saying that I think the price of the supercharger is reasonable, it just wether the price for extra performance is worth the price to you. I can see someone spending $7.5-$10K making their car faster if they enjoy their TLS and want to have a really bad A$$ car.
For that price I think a custom installed vortec supercharger would
would probally run about the same and probally give you 100 extra ponies. With that upgrade you are probally looking at the low 5's 0-60.

RHINO928

Buying HP is never cheap..... My Supercharger mod for my Porsche 928 including engine rebuild with mods to handle 10psi was <$12500.00...No way in hell would I spend that on a TLS!!

The TLS is not a good car to turn into a hot rod in the first place.. Don't try to make chicken salad out of chicken crap..... Not that the TLS is crap but it is not the kind of car you turn into a racecar or street rod....

Las Vegas TLS

If I follow the same logic..... All those Honda Civic's that start out life as an economical economy sedans, designed to take the family to the Grandma Nelson's for Easter dinner and later down the road are transformed into 300+ HP, tire smoking, Corvette eaters? What are you saying? Why mod. anything?

Austin519

I just...can't IMAGINE paying that much...

"I caught the following info from Mike (Comptech) on the Comptech forum: "It will include a new fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, blower unit, air box and associated mounting and drive hardware. We're aiming for a target price of $5000, hopefully less." Now add a large chunk of change for L10 upgrades. Ouch. "
A new airbox? This conflict with the CAI? Are they talking about their Icebox and if we don't need it will it drop down the price? It would rock to have a supercharged TLS...just to feel a luxury car that was that powerful...it would also rock to even SAY I had a supercharged TLS. I mean wow. I think I'll make a good compromise meself...if it's <$3000 for the bare minimum...I might do it...I may just let you buy one Astroboy...and buy it used from you when you're tired of it. And who does level 10 rebuilds?

Austin519

Austin519

Over at levelten.com, they say about $2400 for a level10 rebuild so...assuming labor of say $1000 you're looking at $8400 for the whole setup? Wow...

Austin519

RHINO928

Logic? A Honda Civic would need a few bucks in it to make 300HP. I see modded up Civic's at the track and they are by NO MEANS beating the Vette's on the same course, a road course so don't even try telling me about corners and braking. The fact is this, your looking at around $10000 to do a TLS with a supercharger and tranny upgrade.... The best set up would include having some fuel system mods like, Remapping the ECU and have larger injectors with a rising rate adjustable fuel pressure regulator. I am guessing this would cost an additional $2000 and this would maximize the systems potential to make HP and would also protect the engine from detonation. A TLS would probably run in the High/Mid 12's. I could put the same money in a C-5 Vette and run 10's and put the car on the Track. To me, if your trying to go FAST that's logic........ I would Love to see a TLS Supercharged, if it was done right!! Done correctly and add a inter-cooler to what I said above and you could make around 400HP with around the same amount of torque......Know this though, I still believe that a ZO-6 would hand you your azz....Modd WHATEVER you want but be careful who and what you race!!!!!!!!!!! Bring some of those Demon Civic's here to New Orleans and we can wager a few $$$$$

y2ks2k

agreed, It can beat vette in strait line but thats about it, it probably couldn't corner if you tried to make it.

The Comptec Supercharger on the S2000 bumps the hp up from 240 to 300 for 5k. The TL has a lot better tunning posibilty the the S2k which is maxed out as it is. I could see great gains.

Austin519

"The fact is this, your looking at around $10000 to do a TLS with a supercharger and tranny upgrade"

How is that? If a leve10 rebuild is $2400 and the SC is $5000...5000+2400=7400...

Austin519

typeR

hey you guys are missing a big piece of the puzzle i did graze through alot of the posts but bear with me if im repeating....its where it makes 50 hp and more importantly torque...that looks like a roots type blower..someone WILL correct me if im wrong the power should come on quick and sustain nothing like the brief power of the headers this would be a whole new car...im talking 4.7 0-60 new maybe 5.0 but still very torquey and 1/4 in the 13's for sure if you get the tires to hook up...

bdimc2001

it's still big bucks...7 or 10K...
I'd rather put that as partial downpayment for my new m3 or m5...

typeR

there traget is 5K or less...and i dont see headers...could it be???then subtract anoth grand...if its true how many are in for 4 K???meaning sell your headers???

bioyuki

I don't think it will be less than 5k. Comeon, look at all the modifciations they had to do just to get the S/C to fit. Besides the S/C you need the ECU mod, new fuel pump, ice box etc....it gets expensive really quick. I'm thankful that Comptech is developing this stuff for the TL/CL...its just the S/C probably isn't for me.

Las Vegas TLS

If you asked around, I think you would find out the number one reason people purchased a TLS is for the complete package. The mix between luxury and performance at a very reasonable price.
Not to mention Honda quality. The real duscussion is about upgrading the performance of their TLS to include a superchanger as a modification and wether the upgrade is worth the cost.
The only reason I brought us a Civic is because of your attack on the TLS and it not being a good car to increase the performance... I think it was "Chicken Salad" or something lame like that.
The point is if you can do it with a economy Civic you can certainly do it with a upper scale TLS.
If your looking for performance only in a vehicle and which car can go faster that another, I think you will find the Corvette is way to expensive to begin with. For 20K less you can buy a Camaro SS with basically the same engine and close to the same performance. Heck put 10 grand into a turbo setup and put 10 grand in you pocket and watch those vettes in your rear view mirror.

moomaster_99

OMG!!! You frequent an import board....and you don't know what a properly modded civic would do to your preicous Vette?? And it's not all about power on a road course...a 13 second Civic would make more than enough power to cream a Vette on a road course...I understand you live in New Orleans...so, you don't understand anything outside of your little part of the world. Just look for a Spoon Sports Civic....all the mods available, and for less than 10K in modifications...it'll run circles around your Vette....if you have 10K put into your Vette...I would guess you could keep up with one....but I would still put my $$ on the Civic.

1999TL

Umm, you know when you do the tranny upgrade, the whole engine has to be lifted if I'm correct. so you have to have your car there, send in your tranny, then wait. Then get check engine lights from the tranny, then what?

When i first got my car 2 years ago, I watned the SC bad!! but going through one tranny already, then putting 60k miles on my car, i'm not sure now.

mikester

You guys have to be nuts! I'm all for the power of modded imports, but let's be realistic here - an '02 Z06 Vette does 0-60 in under 4 seconds, and low 12's in the quarter. It's also no slouch when it comes to handling. I don't see how even a seriously modded Civic could keep up, straight line or in the twisties.

Also, if you want to compare apples to apples, supercharge that Vette (which is basically the C5-R) and you get 620 HP of ass-whooping, which is a more fair comparison, since your Civic is gonna have to have a S/C or turbo just to hang on the same block.

Hey, I'm not dissing on Civics - I think it's amazing what you can do with those engines, and those well designed smaller engines can blow away most of the large clunky American V8s. But, when you have a well-engineered engine with the displacement to boot, it's just no comparison.

RHINO928

Well you tell me then.... at the top of this page you "assumed" $8400 now it's $7400 - I am saying it will cost around $10000 to do it "right" may be I'm off a little, but not much! I feel like you, Las Vegas and Austin are getting a little defensive here. I am not attacking the TLS... the thing I love most about the car is it's performance and second it's look. So my "lame" chicken crap comment was meaning that if you want to build a "competitive" racecar a TLS is really not the best choice... The Camaro, Firebird are decent choices.. The best car Acura sold to the public for the track is the NSX...EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE..

Moon master you piss me off with your flip comment about " I don't understand outside my little part of the world" WHAT F'N PLANET YOU FROM? I have lived in several US states and also lived in Europe for 3 years and even more I was not born in Louisiana, although I am proud to live here!!! Do you think everyone in the south lives on fried chicken and that we sweat all day, fight Pit Bulls and have slaves?? I have campaigned three different cars around the US in various race circuits and currently race in Outlaw 5.0 racing.... In addition to that I have been to more than a dozen DE's on a SCCA approved course with my 928 this past year and would gladly race anything on 4 wheels you could show up at the track with for money!$!$!! I was probably racing cars when your biggest issue was a dry pamper.....

I don't like getting drilled on this board whenever you bring something that is critical of the TLS... I gaurantee 98% of the people who participate on this board have never raced competitively and have never built a race car.... When you have to list *FUTURE* mod's that include light bulbs and the # of video screens you SHOW YOU DON'T HAVE A FUKKING CLUE ABOUT GOING FAST.

Fast to me is 8.43@1/4 mile on street tires with pump gas or a lap time >1:40 at Willow Springs or my favorite 183MPH at Texas Motor Speedway. ALL which I have done I take racing seriously and will gladly race for money and travel around the country doing so......... Show up or shut up!!!!!!!

Mikester - it's refreshing to have someone with a clue join the conversation and you are right it is no comparison. What does Honda use in the Indy car? Correct me if I am wrong but is it not a V8?

1999TL

LOL!!! He said they don't all have slaves. Damn I was rolling at that one. That was good for a laugh or two.

TUFF GONG

Man, what is this obsession with making a "supercar" out of a front wheel drive car? I don't care how much money one spend's on a civic, it's still a four cylinder front wheel drive car. Run a Z06! Come again! Not to mention a front heavy understeering, limited because it's front wheel drive based on a economy car. Compared to a rear wheel drive car with a what we call balance and the ideal setup of a rear wheel drive layout. I'm sure there's a Super cornering civic, a super accelarating civic, and a super submarine civic. But each one of them is probably tweaked to specialize on one primary capability or a few. Granted it could be made into a fun little go cart kind of car, and the aftermarket makes it fun to own and mod. But if I was....ahhh, I already talked about this on the other SC thread, here; just my $0.02

From this thread

$6000 I just don't see the point Take our cars for what they are; a front wheel drive sports sedan that we may modify here and there if you wanted to so you can improve it for what it is. A nice, quick comfortable 4 door sedan(or 2dr), not a dragster. I for one will not go out on a mission to create a quarter mile monster using a front wheel drive sedan as a basis.
Yeah anything is possible with money but it's not for me. If I spent $6000 grand on a S.C. better yet a Incon twin turbo setup on me Stang, it would reap far more HP than this application. And I would still have a little $'s left to buy some more mods. $6000 for what 50-70+ HP. If you think it's worth the $$'s then go for it, I would still like it and appreciate it.

Ahhh well, as the old adage goes. Speed cost's money! And yes I'm sure some of will be getting this for your car. Good for you, cause the hobby we all love just sucks money right up no matter what you drive and modify

Have fun

RHINO928

I think this board needs a little spice!!! I'm surprised it has not been edited

valuetl

The comparison with the vette is not realistic. Vettes are 2 seaters and if I wanted to dump 10K in a 4 door it would be a IS 300 or a BMW. Look at the latest turbo mag. IS300's with over 600+ HP for the same $$$$ we are talking about. If C/T tries to sell the kit for over 5000 they won't sell many. I bet the max HP numbers form their S/C won't even require a upgrade of our tranny.

typeSmaximum

Can a civic out run a Corvette, z06 or even a viper? Yes, has been done. Is it practical, no. Is it done to be different and go against the grain!? I think so. I also don't think this kit will be over 5K, or they will not sell many units. I think its for someone that wants their TL-S to be different, and have that extra step over others in your class.

Now can that same 10 second civic even beat a standard Corvette Coupe on a road corse? No! And for those that say a civic can be made to have enough power to do this, don't know what they are talking about. Its not all about power. If you look at the FAST civics (9 to 12 second contenders) they are in no way even setup to take mild turns at high speeds.

I agree there are very fast civics, and there are very good handling ones, but in no way can you have one that is truly "great" in both because of the platform you have to work with. Something like the corvette is a different story, as its platform can be moded to go both at great lengths, and already does both well in stock form, and that is why its a sports car, and the civic, or TLS can never be more than a sporty car really.

typeSmaximum

Now that I am done saying what can't be, here are some clips for the muscle car and domestic gearheads that think any Honda, or a lowly I civic will never beat them I also find it interesting people think a civic can't be faster than a zo6 (Its great to be on both sides, having worked with both)



Viper Wants to play!

Yup, thats a GTS. So are the Honda fans crazy saying it can be done, no. They are likely overly optimistic about their own car though Now how do you suppose the viper driver feels, and a hatchback on top of it all!

Here a vette gets some also!

The way I look at it, you get a lot more respect when you win in a car that is not supposed to This is why people do it. Puy a viper, beat a Corvette, or a cobra, who cares. But stuff like this, now thats something.

tdoh

Why wouldn't it be? If a Corvette beat a stock or mildly-modded Civic or TL-S everyone would say that it wouldn't be a fair comparison but if a highly-modded Civic or your 600-hp IS300 beats a Corvette all you guys would be saying stuff like "great kill" or "how lame--a Corvette got beat by a puny Civic..."

Since you're saying that a comparison with the Vette is not realistic, then it's fair to say that a comparison with a non-stock 600-hp IS300 wouldn't be realistic either, since the major performance difference between a $50K+ Vette and a 600-hp IS300 (however less expensive it may be vs. the Vette) is that one of them needs mods to match the performance of the other.
Bottom line--if you have the time and money, you can make just about any car beat any other car. Some people would rather stay simplistic and buy ready-to-go muscle cars like Vettes, Mustangs, or Z28s, while others like to tinker around and put mods on less expensive imports...

Tony