2K2SilverTL-S

My TL-S only has 5,000 miles, and i dont know if my brakes are gone or my aliment is off. The brakes don't seem like their gone, but the car is pulling to the right, so im thinking it might be bad aliment that is causing the problem. Has anyone else noticed shaking (in the steering wheel particularily) when applying the brakes?

rockinTLS

If the car only shakes when the brakes are applied your rotors could be warped. This is particularly nasty when you hit the brakes at highway speeds. However, if the car vibrates at certain speeds (no brakes applied) your tire balance is probably off. The way you describe it with your steering wheel vibrating, it's likely your front brake rotors.

Also, have you had your whees off lately? If the lug nuts are torqued incorrectly it will seem like your rotors are warped.

If you rotors are warped and if your relationship with your dealer is pretty good you might be able to get them to resurface the rotors under warranty.

I believe someone else on this forum had some brake issues and Acura found that the pads were defective, too much metal or something.

eyedrj

I had the same problem upon delivery and took it to the dealer where i bought the car (Solano Acura) and the dork there said it was fine and normal.

Then i took it to Acura of Concord where they seem much more knowledgeable. The guy drove it and said probably rotor was warped from the factory or something.

I'm scheduled to take it in on Thursday. I'm also getting a passenger door rattle and center console fixed.

spiroh

There has been a few people on the CL forum that did this under warranty. I have 13k miles on my car, and I have the same symptoms. If you ask me..if all they do is cut the rotor are they really fixing the problem? I dont think so. I'm going to take my car in for warranty work, and I'll see what they say about the rotors.

Spiro

chris_w

My last three Hondas have had warped rotors pretty early on in their lives. All three times, the dealers turned them at no charge. There is no reason for them to charge you if they can't prove that you are abusing your brakes (like your pads are prematurely worn).

gohawks63

There is a service bulletin out on this and the wipers smudging. As for the brakes, they will resurface your rotors and install new brake pads made from a different materials. The original pads were warping the rotors.

As for the wipers, the plastic in the Washer fluid tubing is degrading and interacting with yoru wiper refills causing the smudging. The fix here is to replace all the tubing, flush out your washer fluid and replace your wiper inserts. I just had this all done under warrenty over the weekend. It takes a full day to get it all done.

If you need the service bulleting numbers let me know, it's on my printout from the dealer. These are known problems, so they shouldn't give you a hard time.

Road Rage

New brake pads? Didn't the 2002 TL-S have a new pad material which is in part;y the reason for the better braking? Are you sure the TSB is directed at rotor damage, or some other benefit? Can you provide the number of the TSB?

Everybody - make sure you check the lugnut torque with an accurate wrench! tHIS IS the most common reason for warpage early in service life.

Vibration is usually
1) Rotor warped
2) Tire imbalance - wheels are usually quite well balanced
3) Axial play in hub - this can be checked with a dial indicator

gohawks63

New brake pads? Didn't the 2002 TL-S have a new pad material which is in part;y the reason for the better braking?

Can't speak for the 2002 models and I'm not sure about whether the TSB also applies to the these models, but based on some of the complaints posted on this board regarding this topic, I would guess so.

Are you sure the TSB is directed at rotor damage, or some other benefit?

The comments from the service tech on the service report specifically state that rotor warping was caused by the pads, and referred to the TSB. New pads are made with a different material. I believe others on this board have gotten the same result when taking their cars in for service, so I know it's not specific to the dealer I went to.

I know for certain that the vibration was brake related. I grew up working on cars, and have diagnosed the problem many times. Vibration due to an out of balance tire usually manifests itself at a certain range of speed (i.e. no vibration up to 60mph, vibration occurs between 60 - 65 and then lessens). Vibration to to warped rotors only occurs when applying the brakes.

Can you provide the number of the TSB?

I can do better, I can attach an image of the service report, but it's at home and I'm at work. I'll scan it in tonight and post it. You should see it by tomorrow at the latest.

2K2SilverTL-S

I went to Park Ave Acura, and they said that some of the TL's have shown this problem with early rotor warping. Their gonna check it out next week and fix it under warranty

gohawks63

The entire work report is too big to post. Here is the info specific to the brake work.



I believe the TSB number is:
01-017A

2K2SilverTL-S

Thank you goaub, i will mention it to my dealer and make sure they replace my pads, as well as resurface my rotors.

gohawks63

You're welcome, good luck!

Road Rage

nice detective work - thanks.

oracion

If it's a new car, I think they should replace the rotor rather than shaving it.

jsmith

i agree, they should put a new rotor + pads on it. when you shave the rotor it becomes thinner and more prone to warping from heat...

gohawks63

I thought the same thing. Now my vibration was VERY slight. When I asked the Service Manager, they said they didn't have to shave off much. I understand that that just might be a line they're feeding me.

The only reason why I didn't fight it is that with my previous Acura in 111K miles, I only had to have the rotors resurfaced twice. Once for the brakes and once for rotor warpage. I guess I not expecting it tohappen again.

If it does happen again, I'll demand new rotors.