gohan

is this a close race??...or will the S4 spank us bad??

just wondering...cuz there's a nice lookin yellow S4 here where i live...

numbaonexstunna

twin turbo.........we'll keep with the auto's but a good driver on a 6-speed will smoke us. see if he can drive well if not, race him

Pascal Type-S

I believe S4's run 0-60 in 5.4 seconds. The quarter mile is probably in the low 14's. I'm not certain if these are stats for the auto or stick. You may want to check caranddriver.com or motortrend.com for performance info.

rominl

forget it, s4 is in the m3 (the new one) league, we are not even close

axleback

Don't even waste your time bud. The S4 will eat us up alive. I test drove one (manual) before I bought the TL-S. That baby can fly! If you decide to take one on, the only thing you'll see is the nice S4 emblem on their trunk lid until they fade away.

axleback

rominl

boy i doubt if you can even see the s4 wordings probably just the stripes of red emblem

TL-S Man

In a two-car race the finish is: 1) AUDI s4 2) ACURA TL-S. There ain't no replacement for displacement, unless we're talking twin-turbos, which will kick a$S just as well. . .

hemants

Might be close if the S4 is automatic but they have the quattro launch advantage (no spin).

Otherwise I doubt it.

Ray_Khan

but hell...go for it. You have a chance against a stock automatic....although a chipped will be pushing 305 hp/360 ft-lb torque. With exhasut and downpipes your talking 320-330 hp and close to 390 ft-lb torque. Then you have no chance.

ZodiakTL

dont listen to all the nay-sayers. i constantly race a good friend who drives an S4 stick, and whether we do a race from a stop, or just playing in traffic, its always a 50/50 outcome. i do have some mods, but when he does beat me, he never kills me, he edges me out, and same for when i win. so ther'e a very good chance u can win, unless the guy is a great driver, and doesnt mind dumping the clutch really high, u have chance.

2K2SilverTL-S

I've beaten my friends tiptonic S4 off the line and on the highway. A manual s4 would probably be a different story.....

Ray_Khan

the only tip S4 there was stock, with heavy 19's and he ran a 15.2. Ferizzo was the only TLS there and his best was a 15.2. So you those cars are pretty close. Stock 6 speed S4's weren't driven well and were running high 14's. The chipped 6 speeds were running anywhere from 12.4 to 14.3. Obviouly there were some good drivers there and some people running race fuel and race fuel programming. So like I said.....go for it.

tuRb0mikEy

I beat a stock auto S4 in my TL-P :p :p and yes that punk white boy WAS racing

Ray_Khan

I have a friend with all the S4 body work and wheels on his FWD Automatic A4 12 valve. It has 170 hp or maybe a little more with the exhaust. S4 body kits (front and rear valances and side skirts are a common A4 upgrade. I doubt a TLP could hang with even a stock tip S4 under any cicumstances. People sometimes mistake my car for an S4 since I have the lower black trim painted like my body color.

Ruski

not this one:
http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshow...6/page011.html

nickchop

"can our cars take on an Audi S4????"

I suppose the correct response is, "you can take one one, but you will get your a$s kicked"

Ricers, keep dreaming...you will never beat these cars that are superior with hp, handling, suspension, etc.

JPTLS03

They run 14.2 stock. I've seen them in the 13's.

GaddAMIT

you are out of your mind if you think you can beat them, unless they screw up REAL bad while driving, but even if they aren't the greatest driver, they will still beat us. TWIN TURBO all wheel drive........basically TLS=SCREWED in that race. Don't get me wrong, I love my TLS, but it has lost pretty bad to a stick S4. My friends S4 is a 2000, and its damn fast.

Ray_Khan

an S4 run a 12.48@112 this was with stock turbos but a lot of goodies and some interior removed. Not bad for a 2.7 liter engine.

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/28675/aut_0316.jpg

ferizzo

You have to be careful because like ray said, a chipped S4 will kill us, even if we have on headers, CAI and exhaust. A chip for an audi is cheap but the returns are ridiculous. Now if you run into any seriously modded S4s then you are talking about high 11s to low 12s!!! I think a modded s4 with stock turbos ran a mid-high 12 at NE dragway (Is that right ray?). Those cars can be made beasts (unlike ours).

Stock auto I think would be a good race against a TLS. Only advantage an S4 would have is in the launch. S4 tip weighs more and the tq and hp are close enough (although the S4 has a slight tq advantage). I think it would be fun anyway!

norcalsguy

I can speak from in the driver seat experence a moded S4 ala chip or even worse RS4 turbo upgrade will kill us outright modded or not only stock and bad driver do you have a chance but hey why not could be fun and how knows you may win

-Norcalsguy

gohan

thanx for all the replies...didn't expect that many

i believe the S4 around here that i see almost everyday is a manual one...cuz i was in traffic once semi behind it (on the left lane of me with a car behind him, i was next to that car in the right lane) and when the lights turned green, i saw his brake lights vanish but did not inch foward....till about a sec later, he flew into the distance...couldn't keep up cuz of the car in front of me...

so i assume it's a stick....i shouldn't consider wasting my gas on racing this car since i'm getting the idea that our cars have absolutely no chance in taking a S4 6 speed modded or not...

and it'll be a good race between our cars and the auto S4 rite??

(i'm not talkin about the new 2003 S4 with the V8 engine)

ming 2.7T_RENAMED

A stock S4 6 speed has run a best of 13.98 at the drags. But, the average S4 stick runs 14.2-14.5, and some even run high 14's and into the 15's. Its all in the launch. You can bog them down if your not right on.
stock Tip S4 runs 14.6 -14.8. Saw one at Pomona long time ago run 14.8 in 93 degree heat on regular pump gas.
I think if the manual S4 bogs the launch the TL-S has a very good chance to stay even or even pull ahead, considering the TL_S has a good consistent launch.
Automatic to Automatic they are about the same.

The same engine is in the A6 and the best stick A6 time was 14.4 timeslip east coast. Avg run is 14.5-14.7 with some times low 15's.
Tiptronic A6 runs 14.9 best and averages 15.0-15.2 very consistent.

if any of these have a chip then the results change to heavily favor the S4/a6.
Here is a link of timeslips for the S4 with a couple of A6's thrown in.

The biggest difference between the stick and the Tiptronic is the first 60'. Sticks can get 1.8's-1.9's stock and the tips are 2.2's-2.3's stock. Thats huge. The tip will start moving like a freight train once it gets going and they dont stop till they hit the limiter.

If there is no traffic, I would say give it a shot, you never know. maybe those bi-turbos are heat soaked and thats a real killer for these cars.

This was assuming automatic TL-S, the stick will fare slightly better.
Here is the link to the timeslips:

http://www.s4biturbo.com/timeslips.cgi

SimTypeS

See if the guy is up to it, and have a fair race. Stock to stock, could be anyone's race. I have no idea how good you are at launching. With us, it's all about the 60-foot time. If it's a stick, he might know the best way to launch, so you might be able to get ahead of him and not let him catch up. This is all assuming 1/4 mile, or up to ~120mph. After that, you are done. Good bye.
And if the S4 is modded, even a 10 year olds know it would blow us away, people. (still depends on launch, though)

Ray_Khan

not to mention AWD is only an advantage for a manual, not really for a tip. You can't launch a tip nearly as well. Once you are moving, AWD hurts in that it adds weight. Stock to stock, a tip S4 and TLS is a good race.

SilverBulletCLS

On the highway yes..but if he has mods, then it will be a problem.

SilverBulletCLS

Guys eat your words please. The S4 on a roll is just as fast as us, off the the line it has the AWD advatage which gives it the low ets. A magazine a while back did a test on the S4, did a off the line launch hard, got 13.8, then did a normal off the line launch like any car and floored it, and got 14.9-15.2

The trap speed is lower than the 6spd CL-S, about the same for the auto.

SilverBulletCLS

AWD is the only reason you see these cars running good times. On a roll there not faster than us.

axleback

I really don't understand why people like you favor so much in what magazines say. Don't you have your own mind? You claimed "A magazine a while back did a test on the S4, did a off the line launch hard, got 13.8, then did a normal off the line launch like any car and floored it, and got 14.9-15.2". Well, let me tell you something. Stock for stock, you can launch as hard as you'd like, you will not be able to hit 13.8 in the TL-S. I love my baby, but I know a superior car when I see one. By the way, don't come to me with "A magazine a while back". Show some real stats please. Better yet, why don't you go out and test drive an S4. Like I mentioned before, the Audi dealer was actually nice enough to lend me an S4 the whole day (cuz he wanted to make the sale). After being a brief owner of that beautiful machine, I will tell you time and time again, the TL-S can't keep up with it. Here's alittle lesson in life for ya: Don't believe what others say, when in doubt, try it yourself. Oh, in case you are still not convinced, here's some numbers for you:

Audi S4
30 valves
2.7 V6
250 hp @ 5800RPM
258 lb.-ft @ 1850RPM
TWIN-TURBO!!!
3593lbs

Acura TL-S
24 valves
3.2 V6
260 @ 6100RPM
232 @ 3500RPM
3558lbs

Numbers don't lie. Even though our engine displacement is bigger, just look at the shear performance numbers. The S4 is only about 30 something lbs heavier than our car. Look at that low end torque. You do know what torque means I hope. That's what gives you the acceleration you need to kick peoples' butts! Oh and did I mention TWIN-TURBO? If you really want to mess with any turbocharged cars, why don't you go race a WRX first. If you can beat that (stock for stock), then more power to you. I would love to see you race the S4 next.

You're probably wondering why the heck did I buy the TL-S instead of an S4 then. Well, I'm here probably like most people. This car gives us the most bang for the buck. I'm sure if they offer the M3 the same price as the TL-S, 99% of the people on this forum would take the M3 instead of the TL-S. Please don't think our car is almighty. It's fast, but it ain't a Ferrari F355! So, before you quote me and claim to have a point, crunch some numbers.

axleback

Ray_Khan

I agree with you 100%

ferizzo

axleback, I agree too but don't forget that the s4 also comes in auto as well and I think it fair to mention that the auto gains a hefty 200, or so, pounds over the stick. auto vs auto is a fairer race and I think both of these cars are equally matched.

axleback

Audi S4 6-Speed Manual: 3593lbs
Audi S4 Auto Tiptronics: 3704lbs

Even with the auto, it's only about 145 lbs heavier than our TL-S. That's equivalent to a small adult. I would agree that it might be a closer race in that respect but I'll bet money that our car will still get spanked. However, with the additional money I saved on the TL-S, throw that chunk of change on mods, that would be a closer race.
I also found something interesting. While I was getting some numbers for comparing, I went to the Audi site and they don't even list Acura as part of their comparo. Those damn arrogent bastards!

axleback

SimTypeS

I beat an auto WRX quite often, and can keep up with a manual S4 (2001, I think). These are all straight lines. Co-workers have them, so I've had chances to play with them. Maybe it's just the drivers. Just like the S2000. To get the 0-60 in 5.2 like the mags get, you have to launch it at almost 6K rpm, and know exactly how to let off the clutch. How many normal drivers know how to do that?

Ray_Khan

Lauching an AWD car with 258 lb ft of torque available at 1850 rpm isn't so difficult. Launching a torqueless RWD is. I don't think your coworkers are very good drivers. In fact, they must be terrible. The S4 can get to 60 in less than 7 seconds shifting at 4000 RPM.

ferizzo

I don't know how to drive a manual but judging by my only attempt I sure can launch the suckers!

BMW74

I would say go for it. As Ray and Ferizzo can attest to, most of the S4 drivers that night didn't know what they were doing.

Stock 6 Speed S4's were running from 14.3-16.0 and Tip S4's were running from 15.2-16ish.

Chances are you will run into someone that doesn't know how to drive. For example, the video below if of me vs. a Stage II+ S4 which should beat me everytime.

http://www.doodmonkeyradio.com/~s4ma...es/ben138.mpeg

As you can see I beat him in the first 60 ft.....it's all about the launch. Another funny thing about that run is that and I am running rims which weigh 28 lbs each:wow:, I am am one heavy SOB and I am only stage II (chip and exhaust). This happens vs E46 M3's all the time...I have never lost to one and on paper they should beat me...but they never do.

BTW, my best run to date is 13.57 at 103 w/ a 1.995 60 ft time running 100 Octane. Here is another vid from that night vs. a stock 1.8T A4....Not you Ray

http://www.doodmonkeyradio.com/~s4ma...es/ben137.mpeg

Stock Tip S4 vs. TLS should and will be a pretty even race.

Stock 6 speed S4 vs. TLS will also be close unless the driver knows what he is doing, in which case he will beat you by about a second and by about 10 car lengths in the 1/4.

TLS vs. modded 6-speed S4 will be ugly, but remember a person can actually fit in the back of a TLS and you paid 12K less for you car.

Have fun!

BTW, those of you in New England...I hope to see you at Import Wars at NE Dragway on Oct 12.

SimTypeS

At least someone knows what I'm talking about.

BMW74

ItZ aLL about Rowin SkillZ

WiLLs TypE S

I raced an S4 Stick, that car goes fast. When his car and my car race. Your talking bout stock wise. We go about the same thing, sometimes I win, and sometimes he Wins. Majority of the time he wins though. So with a few mods and a lil tun up of our babies. We should be able to win. Not kill but win.

Ray_Khan

running a 14.6@93 mph on 93 octane fuel. Now that is fast for a heavy little A4 on stock turbos and pump gas. He had a more agressive chip than the rest of us. Most Chipped A4's were running 15.5-you don't want to know at about 87 mph. No one except the guy in the fastes A4 had a 60 ft time to write home about. My best was 2.3 which sucks. Same as What Ferizzo had but as his hp is so much more than mine, he ran 15.2-15.4. My best was 15.9. The guy running 14.6 was 1.8-1.9 for 60 ft time. So it's all about how well you can drive/launch. One of the best mods you can have in an AWDF car is an upgraded clutch. I've been in A4's that can easily spin all 4 wheels with aftermarket clutches. IIRC, the S4's that were running the low 13's high 12's that night were chirping at the line as well.

And Ben, despite my bad times, my car is not stock :>( I'm going all out taking out the sub and the spare and running 15's next weekend. I am alos trying to get hold of an APR programmer to update my software from 91 oct to 93. Those extra 6 hp will come in handy :>) See you there....hopefully see a lot you guys there.