For all the people that bitch at me for not dropping my car...
03-05-2009, 11:06 AM
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Eibach (?) Prokit seems pretty popular around here. How much do they run, and what do they do? I'm assuming lower the car.
I want a small drop, because I'm not looking forward to scraping my car on everything in sight. I don't need adjustability or any of that bullshit. Also, I don't plan on spending +$300. Is there even any options out there under $300?
BTW, remikinz your car is going to look sweet! FPR is a nice color!
I want a small drop, because I'm not looking forward to scraping my car on everything in sight. I don't need adjustability or any of that bullshit. Also, I don't plan on spending +$300. Is there even any options out there under $300?
BTW, remikinz your car is going to look sweet! FPR is a nice color!
But If I were you, I would go with H&R sports since they are slightly higher than Eibach prokit, You'll never rub, Even without camber kits. Look on eBay. Make sure check the parts number before you confirm.
03-05-2009, 02:33 PM
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This thread is overrun with stupidity and cursory knowledge.
Why are so many people assuming "coilover suspension = slammed to the ground"??
When you think "suspension modifications" and the first thought in your head is "dropped!" then you might as well just cut your springs and call it a day.
Coilovers are better because they typically give you a wider adjustment range in ride height and damping rates (not with Tein Basic, however). The springs and the dampers are engineered to work together.
The argument that you don't want coilovers because you want to keep a smooth ride is bullshit. A well-engineered coilover kit will be better in ride comfort AND handling than an arbitrarily matched springs and struts combination from different brands.
In the end, do what you want to do. It's your money. It's still not a bad combination, by any means. I used to have H&R Sport springs myself.
As the old Nissan commercials would say, enjoy the ride.
Why are so many people assuming "coilover suspension = slammed to the ground"??
When you think "suspension modifications" and the first thought in your head is "dropped!" then you might as well just cut your springs and call it a day.
Coilovers are better because they typically give you a wider adjustment range in ride height and damping rates (not with Tein Basic, however). The springs and the dampers are engineered to work together.
The argument that you don't want coilovers because you want to keep a smooth ride is bullshit. A well-engineered coilover kit will be better in ride comfort AND handling than an arbitrarily matched springs and struts combination from different brands.
In the end, do what you want to do. It's your money. It's still not a bad combination, by any means. I used to have H&R Sport springs myself.
As the old Nissan commercials would say, enjoy the ride.
What the hell are you talking about?
03-05-2009, 05:44 PM
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?You don't make any damn sense. Stop using someone else as an attempt to seem like you made a point.
This broad generalization of "All hail coilovers they are so much better than shock/spring setup." is retarded with your ignorant remarks.
Learn how to debate properly instead of leaving your stupid ass remarks.
If your goal is to stay out, then do so and stfu unless you really have something informative to say.
03-05-2009, 07:14 PM
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ill just say this ur a IDIOT with no common sense if u think 2 random things ( piece of shit shocks and springs ) is better than coilovers ( specific shocks n springs made for one another)
how the fuck do they outPERFORM coilovers PLEASE inform me since u seem to have all the answers, and dont give no BULLSHIT answer saying SCCA cars use a spring and shock combo
ive been saying this since the beginning but ur a DUMBASS
so cram it MAM nuff said
how the fuck do they outPERFORM coilovers PLEASE inform me since u seem to have all the answers, and dont give no BULLSHIT answer saying SCCA cars use a spring and shock combo
ive been saying this since the beginning but ur a DUMBASS
so cram it MAM nuff said
03-05-2009, 07:32 PM
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ill just say this ur a IDIOT with no common sense if u think 2 random things ( piece of shit shocks and springs ) is better than coilovers ( specific shocks n springs made for one another)
how the fuck do they outPERFORM coilovers PLEASE inform me since u seem to have all the answers, and dont give no BULLSHIT answer saying SCCA cars use a spring and shock combo
ive been saying this since the beginning but ur a DUMBASS
so cram it MAM nuff said
how the fuck do they outPERFORM coilovers PLEASE inform me since u seem to have all the answers, and dont give no BULLSHIT answer saying SCCA cars use a spring and shock combo
ive been saying this since the beginning but ur a DUMBASS
so cram it MAM nuff said
told me once that he had Tein coilovers before and never did him any good.. thats when he went to his last final setup of the koni..
i dunno.. its all personal preferance more or less... its not whats better than this or that..
and some coilovers suck ass.. like how some shocks suck ass but what are they really used for? track or just daily
ksports.. eeeeeeee... wouldn't use those on track.. neither would i use tein basics or SS... maybe for daily drive yes...
as for shocks, i'd probably use koni and bilstein for track and for daily use watever there is... tokico HP... KYB.. watever..
its just all preference.. lets just leave it at that..
what did i just say????
03-05-2009, 08:32 PM
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aznbo187 ran koni yellows with custom spring rates on ground controls (had it on basic spring height like s-techs) and tracked his car almost every chance he got..
told me once that he had Tein coilovers before and never did him any good.. thats when he went to his last final setup of the koni..
i dunno.. its all personal preferance more or less... its not whats better than this or that..
and some coilovers suck ass.. like how some shocks suck ass but what are they really used for? track or just daily
ksports.. eeeeeeee... wouldn't use those on track.. neither would i use tein basics or SS... maybe for daily drive yes...
as for shocks, i'd probably use koni and bilstein for track and for daily use watever there is... tokico HP... KYB.. watever..
its just all preference.. lets just leave it at that..
what did i just say????
told me once that he had Tein coilovers before and never did him any good.. thats when he went to his last final setup of the koni..
i dunno.. its all personal preferance more or less... its not whats better than this or that..
and some coilovers suck ass.. like how some shocks suck ass but what are they really used for? track or just daily
ksports.. eeeeeeee... wouldn't use those on track.. neither would i use tein basics or SS... maybe for daily drive yes...
as for shocks, i'd probably use koni and bilstein for track and for daily use watever there is... tokico HP... KYB.. watever..
its just all preference.. lets just leave it at that..
what did i just say????
keeping in mind ground controls are COILOVER sleeves
03-05-2009, 09:38 PM
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When you order ground controls, they give you the option to choose which shocks you are using them with, i would assume the spring rates are given according to the shocks you are using them with
03-05-2009, 10:42 PM
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coilovers > springs+shocks any day. It's more of how much you want to spend on your suspension set up and how much you love your car thing. Not really a big deal that I'll cry about. personally, I wouldn't spend over a grand or more for coilovers to my almost 10 year old car, I guess I'll be happy with just springs+shocks. But If you have money to play around, def. coilovers
Personal preference overall.
When you buy your car used, or you have over 100k miles.
maintenance should comes before modding.
Personal preference overall.
When you buy your car used, or you have over 100k miles.
maintenance should comes before modding.
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03-06-2009, 02:47 AM
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I'm gonna bid these parts higher now, jk, I just installed my tien stechs and tokico blues 2 days ago, love them. I wish I didn't feel all the shitty bumps on the road though. Next step, rims. 18s, maybe 19s, what do you guys think?
03-06-2009, 03:10 AM
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I just read the comments on this last page, I say we settle things the old fashioned way, MORTAL KOMBAT~!!! ::techno music going off wildly:: I went by my cousin's word recommendation's to not get coil overs, he is a mechanic, has ridden in cars with coil overs and cars with struts/springs, says that struts springs seems to be better. I'm sure its also preference, I'm sure that if I spent 1500 on tein ss coil overs that they would ride pretty damn good for that kinda money, but I only spent 500 for tein stechs and tokico blues. I guess the real bottom line is, how much money do you want to spend?!
03-06-2009, 10:36 AM
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O rly? 
nguyen everybody. So intelligent and very mature.
Just woke up this morning so happy and saw how you responded. I am glad you think I don't respect anybody on this forum when clearly I help and treat everyone the same in a mature manner. When you come off as a prick and smart ass don't get butt hurt if I say anything back.
Coilovers are not a night and day difference from a good shock/spring combo. These cars aren't meant to be all out handling machines anyway. You are giving a general statement. Coilovers better than shock/spring combo. Common misconception.
Your ignorant statement stating shock/spring combo is shit is retarded. No logical explanation then you want to come at me like a prick?
In reality it is not. Agreed it is preference. There are no specific suspensions for everyone. But as I stated earlier, Aesthetic vs Performance, Comfort vs Handling. It all depends on what you want out of the car.
The best handling will come from the best match of spring rate/dampers for each particular chassis. This can come from either coilovers, or a spring/shock combination.
Performance is in all the details such as spring rate, travel, shock bump rate, shock rebound rate, likelyhood of shock fade. I'm not going to even get into all the other variables.
No matter what option you choose, coilovers or a non-coilover setup you will be using springs. No matter what form the dampers come in their main purpose is to control the springs. They all do the same shit no matter what they look like.
All setups use springs, and for the most part higher spring rates=stiffer ride and better handling.
All setups have something to control the energy of the springs. Whether it be in a form of shocks/struts or threads on the outside.
Proper spring rate and spring control is what makes a particular suspension setup handle better or worse, or the ride more or less comfortable.
Because a coilover setup almost always increases unsprung weight significantly,it cant ride as well and the car will handle best at only one very specific height and that is the one most coilover kits wont even go to. So the adjustments are purely liability meaning it could easily be set wrong.
Once the spring rate is chosen properly and the ride height is proper(Assuming proper damping),that leaves coilovers as second best for ride,handling,and durability,and price.
Coilovers aren't used on race cars to adjust height. That is the basic engineering. They are only used to corner balance the car for different circuits.
So you are saying Koni, Bilstein, and many other companies who build a shock/spring combo for cars such as porsches, BMWs, Mercedes are shit?
The Corvette ZR1 runs shock/spring setup, competes with the best on the Nurburing. It is shit huh?
Even our own Mega Moderator Fsttyms1 runs a shock/spring setup (correct me if I'm mistaken) and he hands out L's to Bimmers. That is not shit!
Don't give out false info without explanation. I have nothing against coilovers. I have them on my civic myself and if you are going to come out generalizing don't come out as an ass doing it. END ALL BE ALL COILOVERS OVER SHOCK/SPRING SETUP IS BULLSHIT. As I stated earlier corner balancing is the only upper hand it has on a good shock/spring combo.
All these cookie-cutter "I've got to get coilovers because it's the best shit" is bullshit. It costs more because more labor goes into them for adjustability not performance. Majority of these mainstream setups are for your money and not for pure performance.
You want to talk about a great coilover setup...look into ZEAL, JIC MAGIC...shit that cost two times more than a Tein SS setup with 2 EDFCs.
So for all you shock/spring setup guys don't feel bad if you don't have coilovers...they are not shit as nguyen states.
I stated on my previous post, if you can't debate properly stay the fuck out as your original intention. KTHXBYE
nguyen everybody. So intelligent and very mature.Just woke up this morning so happy and saw how you responded. I am glad you think I don't respect anybody on this forum when clearly I help and treat everyone the same in a mature manner. When you come off as a prick and smart ass don't get butt hurt if I say anything back.
Coilovers are not a night and day difference from a good shock/spring combo. These cars aren't meant to be all out handling machines anyway. You are giving a general statement. Coilovers better than shock/spring combo. Common misconception.
Your ignorant statement stating shock/spring combo is shit is retarded. No logical explanation then you want to come at me like a prick?
In reality it is not. Agreed it is preference. There are no specific suspensions for everyone. But as I stated earlier, Aesthetic vs Performance, Comfort vs Handling. It all depends on what you want out of the car.
The best handling will come from the best match of spring rate/dampers for each particular chassis. This can come from either coilovers, or a spring/shock combination.
Performance is in all the details such as spring rate, travel, shock bump rate, shock rebound rate, likelyhood of shock fade. I'm not going to even get into all the other variables.
No matter what option you choose, coilovers or a non-coilover setup you will be using springs. No matter what form the dampers come in their main purpose is to control the springs. They all do the same shit no matter what they look like.
All setups use springs, and for the most part higher spring rates=stiffer ride and better handling.
All setups have something to control the energy of the springs. Whether it be in a form of shocks/struts or threads on the outside.
Proper spring rate and spring control is what makes a particular suspension setup handle better or worse, or the ride more or less comfortable.
Because a coilover setup almost always increases unsprung weight significantly,it cant ride as well and the car will handle best at only one very specific height and that is the one most coilover kits wont even go to. So the adjustments are purely liability meaning it could easily be set wrong.
Once the spring rate is chosen properly and the ride height is proper(Assuming proper damping),that leaves coilovers as second best for ride,handling,and durability,and price.
Coilovers aren't used on race cars to adjust height. That is the basic engineering. They are only used to corner balance the car for different circuits.
So you are saying Koni, Bilstein, and many other companies who build a shock/spring combo for cars such as porsches, BMWs, Mercedes are shit?
The Corvette ZR1 runs shock/spring setup, competes with the best on the Nurburing. It is shit huh?
Even our own Mega Moderator Fsttyms1 runs a shock/spring setup (correct me if I'm mistaken) and he hands out L's to Bimmers. That is not shit!
Don't give out false info without explanation. I have nothing against coilovers. I have them on my civic myself and if you are going to come out generalizing don't come out as an ass doing it. END ALL BE ALL COILOVERS OVER SHOCK/SPRING SETUP IS BULLSHIT. As I stated earlier corner balancing is the only upper hand it has on a good shock/spring combo.
All these cookie-cutter "I've got to get coilovers because it's the best shit" is bullshit. It costs more because more labor goes into them for adjustability not performance. Majority of these mainstream setups are for your money and not for pure performance.
You want to talk about a great coilover setup...look into ZEAL, JIC MAGIC...shit that cost two times more than a Tein SS setup with 2 EDFCs.
So for all you shock/spring setup guys don't feel bad if you don't have coilovers...they are not shit as nguyen states.
I stated on my previous post, if you can't debate properly stay the fuck out as your original intention. KTHXBYE
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03-06-2009, 12:47 PM
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Umm like I stated throwing shit n shit together equals shit nuff said
Throwing two things made for each other is different
Iono what the turd is rambling on and on about
Throwing two things made for each other is different
Iono what the turd is rambling on and on about
03-06-2009, 01:03 PM
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You mad?
Shut the fuck up bitch. You got owned. Move on.
You're statement is retarded. You look and sound retarded. Can't be a man and debate right so you retort to name calling. Sounds like a bitch move to me. Probably a bitch in real life too. Talk a bunch a shit you think you know then when proven wrong try to bail out with dumbfounded statements. Pussy.
You asked me to answer, I did. YOU=FAIL.
Before you say people can't read. Go back and read one of your own posts.
Hope I don't see you in Houston when I go and visit my family. I'll bitch you out worst than I do on here faggot and that goes for any of you who wants to be like this bitch with sand in his vagina.
Shut the fuck up bitch. You got owned. Move on.
You're statement is retarded. You look and sound retarded. Can't be a man and debate right so you retort to name calling. Sounds like a bitch move to me. Probably a bitch in real life too. Talk a bunch a shit you think you know then when proven wrong try to bail out with dumbfounded statements. Pussy.
You asked me to answer, I did. YOU=FAIL.
Before you say people can't read. Go back and read one of your own posts.
Hope I don't see you in Houston when I go and visit my family. I'll bitch you out worst than I do on here faggot and that goes for any of you who wants to be like this bitch with sand in his vagina.
03-06-2009, 01:18 PM
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03-06-2009, 01:21 PM
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03-06-2009, 01:21 PM
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Still waiting for your informative post with explanation instead of your two cent punchlines. Until then all your name calling and small comebacks mean shit.
You're not god. Quickly when someone agrees with you, you dickride to the moon and state "OMG I'll let someone else handle it for me". What's the matter you can't be your own man and backup yourself? You're really not making a point and saying much.
You're not god. Quickly when someone agrees with you, you dickride to the moon and state "OMG I'll let someone else handle it for me". What's the matter you can't be your own man and backup yourself? You're really not making a point and saying much.
03-06-2009, 01:23 PM
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Me? Look at your last post. Owned again.
thanks got making my day jcharged hahaha
03-06-2009, 01:25 PM
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You sir haven't done jack. Go home.