411 - Anyones replacement tranny's holding up?
08-15-2005 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002AcuraTL
Hey FSTTYMS1, I love you pal, you've been a good guy to read posts from and exchange ideas with for the several years I've been on these boards, but I must take issue with your rather euphoric praise of Acura here.
You've been through 4 trannys in about 175k miles (and I know youv'e got that spare one lined up for when its time for #5!), yet you sound like you see nothing wrong with that. One tranny failing after 100k miles --- maybe; 2 tranny failures --- getting ridiculous; 3 or more --- totally out of the realm of reasonable reliability!! And I think its safe to say not one of the people who bought a TL expected to have this kind of repeat failure from a Japanese nameplate.
you can be certain Honda Motor Company extended the warranty after very careful consideration of the potential liability to the company from lawsuits and the fallout from poor press if they did nothing. The extension of the warranty bought a cheaper fix than other solutions, like a redesign of a part for a car already out of production.
The notion that they could not actually fix the problem for good is what rattles me. If your repeat tranny failures were an isolated incident, we could just chalk it up as an abberation. But you are far from alone. Could it be said that your driving style or environment and climate contributed to the multiple failures? I don't think so. I remember when the first people started reporting thier failures on this board, most of the TL's around here were spring chickens with no miles. Many of the rest blasted those that dared to speak up about their problems with the tranny. (There were so many haters around here and the mood so glum that defections from this site helped spawn a c ur a w o r l d.com). People blamed it on an individual's driving habits. People reached false conclusions that the extra 35 hp of the type S was more than the tranny design called for. None of that turns out to be so. As you can testify to, you did not beat on your TLP or abuse the tranny in any way. Most all my mileage on my TLP is on the highway, not the city, so my car sees less 3rd gear shifts than alot of other TLs out there.
While there are plenty of TLs that have not failed YET, I think its more a factor of how many miles the car has been driven. At the end of the lifetime of the 2nd gen TL, when all the cars eventually get up there in mileage, the true percentage of failure rate will be way beyond Acura's claimed 2% and WAY BEYOND what could be considered "reasonable" and "expected" for the overall model.
That sobering thought does not earn Honda praise for extending the warranty to 100k.
You've been through 4 trannys in about 175k miles (and I know youv'e got that spare one lined up for when its time for #5!), yet you sound like you see nothing wrong with that. One tranny failing after 100k miles --- maybe; 2 tranny failures --- getting ridiculous; 3 or more --- totally out of the realm of reasonable reliability!! And I think its safe to say not one of the people who bought a TL expected to have this kind of repeat failure from a Japanese nameplate.
you can be certain Honda Motor Company extended the warranty after very careful consideration of the potential liability to the company from lawsuits and the fallout from poor press if they did nothing. The extension of the warranty bought a cheaper fix than other solutions, like a redesign of a part for a car already out of production.
The notion that they could not actually fix the problem for good is what rattles me. If your repeat tranny failures were an isolated incident, we could just chalk it up as an abberation. But you are far from alone. Could it be said that your driving style or environment and climate contributed to the multiple failures? I don't think so. I remember when the first people started reporting thier failures on this board, most of the TL's around here were spring chickens with no miles. Many of the rest blasted those that dared to speak up about their problems with the tranny. (There were so many haters around here and the mood so glum that defections from this site helped spawn a c ur a w o r l d.com). People blamed it on an individual's driving habits. People reached false conclusions that the extra 35 hp of the type S was more than the tranny design called for. None of that turns out to be so. As you can testify to, you did not beat on your TLP or abuse the tranny in any way. Most all my mileage on my TLP is on the highway, not the city, so my car sees less 3rd gear shifts than alot of other TLs out there.
While there are plenty of TLs that have not failed YET, I think its more a factor of how many miles the car has been driven. At the end of the lifetime of the 2nd gen TL, when all the cars eventually get up there in mileage, the true percentage of failure rate will be way beyond Acura's claimed 2% and WAY BEYOND what could be considered "reasonable" and "expected" for the overall model.
That sobering thought does not earn Honda praise for extending the warranty to 100k.
still doesnt make it ok but its something that they didnt have to do, and something that none have done
08-15-2005 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SK2003TypeS
Yeah, I think I'd do the complete upgrade rather than pieces. Thx for clarifying.
something like in this pic
they are just a pad material on a metal plate that creats friction to transfer and hold power. Improve that and the tranny is unbeliveably strong. its a 3 shaft design, more like a manual tranny and can handle lots of power (except their blatant underdesign of the clutch pack)
This is ours we have a ton of plates in 3rd gear
08-16-2005 | 09:41 AM
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Thx for the explaination Kris. I thought that there was more parts that were upgraded. I remember reading some old threads about V/R trannies and they replaced more than just the clutchpacks. Maybe some pins and rods or something. Titanium, kevlar, etc.
08-16-2005 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SK2003TypeS
Thx for the explaination Kris. I thought that there was more parts that were upgraded. I remember reading some old threads about V/R trannies and they replaced more than just the clutchpacks. Maybe some pins and rods or something. Titanium, kevlar, etc.
Here is most of the problem. Inside the Drum (#4 in the big exploded view of the acura 3rd gear i posted above) honda has done studdies and foung the temps to get over 360 deg Celcius during shifting no matter what they put in there Nothing will hold up to those temps long. it sounds like the plates have been smoothed out to help reduce friction, the passages have been modified to allow more fluid in to cool(the big problem is finding a way to get enough) and the pcm to allow faster shifts. Lots of people have sad their car is slower due to less power but they are wrong. From what ive found out this past week working on mine the power was never lowered, in some cases they had seen more power out of the car after (honda techs), what they did do is change the the way it shifts. less time shifting in that gear = lots less heat.
There is alot more detail to go into but too much to type. ill try to get pics of the new parts side by side and post them when they come in
08-16-2005 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 2002AcuraTL
Hey FSTTYMS1, I love you pal, you've been a good guy to read posts from and exchange ideas with for the several years I've been on these boards, but I must take issue with your rather euphoric praise of Acura here.
You've been through 4 trannys in about 175k miles (and I know youv'e got that spare one lined up for when its time for #5!), yet you sound like you see nothing wrong with that. One tranny failing after 100k miles --- maybe; 2 tranny failures --- getting ridiculous; 3 or more --- totally out of the realm of reasonable reliability!! And I think its safe to say not one of the people who bought a TL expected to have this kind of repeat failure from a Japanese nameplate.
you can be certain Honda Motor Company extended the warranty after very careful consideration of the potential liability to the company from lawsuits and the fallout from poor press if they did nothing. The extension of the warranty bought a cheaper fix than other solutions, like a redesign of a part for a car already out of production.
The notion that they could not actually fix the problem for good is what rattles me. If your repeat tranny failures were an isolated incident, we could just chalk it up as an abberation. But you are far from alone. Could it be said that your driving style or environment and climate contributed to the multiple failures? I don't think so. I remember when the first people started reporting thier failures on this board, most of the TL's around here were spring chickens with no miles. Many of the rest blasted those that dared to speak up about their problems with the tranny. (There were so many haters around here and the mood so glum that defections from this site helped spawn a c ur a w o r l d.com). People blamed it on an individual's driving habits. People reached false conclusions that the extra 35 hp of the type S was more than the tranny design called for. None of that turns out to be so. As you can testify to, you did not beat on your TLP or abuse the tranny in any way. Most all my mileage on my TLP is on the highway, not the city, so my car sees less 3rd gear shifts than alot of other TLs out there.
While there are plenty of TLs that have not failed YET, I think its more a factor of how many miles the car has been driven. At the end of the lifetime of the 2nd gen TL, when all the cars eventually get up there in mileage, the true percentage of failure rate will be way beyond Acura's claimed 2% and WAY BEYOND what could be considered "reasonable" and "expected" for the overall model.
That sobering thought does not earn Honda praise for extending the warranty to 100k.
You've been through 4 trannys in about 175k miles (and I know youv'e got that spare one lined up for when its time for #5!), yet you sound like you see nothing wrong with that. One tranny failing after 100k miles --- maybe; 2 tranny failures --- getting ridiculous; 3 or more --- totally out of the realm of reasonable reliability!! And I think its safe to say not one of the people who bought a TL expected to have this kind of repeat failure from a Japanese nameplate.
you can be certain Honda Motor Company extended the warranty after very careful consideration of the potential liability to the company from lawsuits and the fallout from poor press if they did nothing. The extension of the warranty bought a cheaper fix than other solutions, like a redesign of a part for a car already out of production.
The notion that they could not actually fix the problem for good is what rattles me. If your repeat tranny failures were an isolated incident, we could just chalk it up as an abberation. But you are far from alone. Could it be said that your driving style or environment and climate contributed to the multiple failures? I don't think so. I remember when the first people started reporting thier failures on this board, most of the TL's around here were spring chickens with no miles. Many of the rest blasted those that dared to speak up about their problems with the tranny. (There were so many haters around here and the mood so glum that defections from this site helped spawn a c ur a w o r l d.com). People blamed it on an individual's driving habits. People reached false conclusions that the extra 35 hp of the type S was more than the tranny design called for. None of that turns out to be so. As you can testify to, you did not beat on your TLP or abuse the tranny in any way. Most all my mileage on my TLP is on the highway, not the city, so my car sees less 3rd gear shifts than alot of other TLs out there.
While there are plenty of TLs that have not failed YET, I think its more a factor of how many miles the car has been driven. At the end of the lifetime of the 2nd gen TL, when all the cars eventually get up there in mileage, the true percentage of failure rate will be way beyond Acura's claimed 2% and WAY BEYOND what could be considered "reasonable" and "expected" for the overall model.
That sobering thought does not earn Honda praise for extending the warranty to 100k.
08-16-2005 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by acutee
Well said... I totally agree with you. Extended warranty on a known problem is a cheap way to get away from fixing the problem. I prefer to have the problem fixed properly and they can keep their extended warranty. or at least fix the problem regardless of mileage because it was a known problem that was never fixed. Let's say I bought the car only for leisure, driving 2k miles a year. After 7 years, it is only 14k miles. Now, the known problem was never fixed and the car is now out of warranty. Acura is playing smart strategy to get away from the real problem with the cheap extended warranty.
there doesnt seem to be a solution other than a COMPLETE redesign of the tranny. and they arent going to do that. it would cost way too much, much less than a 100k warranty would, and all teh rebuilds. the hope is is that with a tinker here and there with parts they would hopefully get it to last.
08-16-2005 | 10:49 AM
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Ok, this is interesting.
When you say the plates have been smoothed out and passages modified for more fluid, is this in the rebuilds ?
Or was this during the NHTSA study when they were changing a few parts here and there during 2002. I was breezing through the 15 MB PDF file and I see a few dates where they mention the different modifications (clutch plates, oil plate guides, countershafts,etc.).
Reading this a few years back, made me think that certain of the 03 models had a few different internals relative to prior years. And why they have a VIN# range for those models that are not getting the 7 year warranty. Either way, I have seen people post of failing trannies on both sides of the VIN# range. So that chucked my theory out the window.
So I guess you're sticking with the TL and not defecting to the Caddy. Haven't been on the forum in a few weeks, so don't know your latest news.
When you say the plates have been smoothed out and passages modified for more fluid, is this in the rebuilds ?
Or was this during the NHTSA study when they were changing a few parts here and there during 2002. I was breezing through the 15 MB PDF file and I see a few dates where they mention the different modifications (clutch plates, oil plate guides, countershafts,etc.).
Reading this a few years back, made me think that certain of the 03 models had a few different internals relative to prior years. And why they have a VIN# range for those models that are not getting the 7 year warranty. Either way, I have seen people post of failing trannies on both sides of the VIN# range. So that chucked my theory out the window.
So I guess you're sticking with the TL and not defecting to the Caddy. Haven't been on the forum in a few weeks, so don't know your latest news.
08-16-2005 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SK2003TypeS
Ok, this is interesting.
When you say the plates have been smoothed out and passages modified for more fluid, is this in the rebuilds ?
Or was this during the NHTSA study when they were changing a few parts here and there during 2002. I was breezing through the 15 MB PDF file and I see a few dates where they mention the different modifications (clutch plates, oil plate guides, countershafts,etc.).
Reading this a few years back, made me think that certain of the 03 models had a few different internals relative to prior years. And why they have a VIN# range for those models that are not getting the 7 year warranty. Either way, I have seen people post of failing trannies on both sides of the VIN# range. So that chucked my theory out the window.
So I guess you're sticking with the TL and not defecting to the Caddy. Haven't been on the forum in a few weeks, so don't know your latest news.
When you say the plates have been smoothed out and passages modified for more fluid, is this in the rebuilds ?
Or was this during the NHTSA study when they were changing a few parts here and there during 2002. I was breezing through the 15 MB PDF file and I see a few dates where they mention the different modifications (clutch plates, oil plate guides, countershafts,etc.).
Reading this a few years back, made me think that certain of the 03 models had a few different internals relative to prior years. And why they have a VIN# range for those models that are not getting the 7 year warranty. Either way, I have seen people post of failing trannies on both sides of the VIN# range. So that chucked my theory out the window.
So I guess you're sticking with the TL and not defecting to the Caddy. Haven't been on the forum in a few weeks, so don't know your latest news.
im sticking with the TL till after the 1st of the year, then Defecting
08-16-2005 | 10:56 AM
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FSTTYMS1, which tranny are you working on now; is that your spare?
Where did you order alternative parts (not OEM) for the 3rd gear? Please do tell all.....
Where did you order alternative parts (not OEM) for the 3rd gear? Please do tell all.....
Originally Posted by fsttyms1
.... ill try to get pics of the new parts side by side and post them when they come in
08-16-2005 | 03:41 PM
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i think the tranny issue is just the most talked about problem of the TL. there are numerous other problems like warped rotors, cracking winodws frame trim, rattling sunroof, rattling interior, separating door trim, intermittent radio controls... the list goes on.
these problems are just not acceptable on $30k car. every TL owner should just accept the fact that the TL is a POS car. my solution to that is to sell it before the warrany runs out and F*** acura/honda for good. i will never buy another acura/honda and will advise everyone i know not to. nuff said.
these problems are just not acceptable on $30k car. every TL owner should just accept the fact that the TL is a POS car. my solution to that is to sell it before the warrany runs out and F*** acura/honda for good. i will never buy another acura/honda and will advise everyone i know not to. nuff said.
08-16-2005 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by el.cheapo
i think the tranny issue is just the most talked about problem of the TL. there are numerous other problems like warped rotors, cracking winodws frame trim, rattling sunroof, rattling interior, separating door trim, intermittent radio controls... the list goes on.
these problems are just not acceptable on $30k car. every TL owner should just accept the fact that the TL is a POS car. my solution to that is to sell it before the warrany runs out and F*** acura/honda for good. i will never buy another acura/honda and will advise everyone i know not to. nuff said.
these problems are just not acceptable on $30k car. every TL owner should just accept the fact that the TL is a POS car. my solution to that is to sell it before the warrany runs out and F*** acura/honda for good. i will never buy another acura/honda and will advise everyone i know not to. nuff said.
08-16-2005 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002AcuraTL
FSTTYMS1, which tranny are you working on now; is that your spare?
Where did you order alternative parts (not OEM) for the 3rd gear? Please do tell all.....
Where did you order alternative parts (not OEM) for the 3rd gear? Please do tell all.....
the parts are OEM. they arent alternative parts, they are directly from honda. most rebuilders dont use oem parts, but parts that are to oem spec. (hence all our rebuilds that keep failing) the oem ones are supposidlu changed. ill find out as soon as they arive
08-16-2005 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Good Spread the word! Every car has its faults and eventually you will say that about every make! my friends Lexus has had more issues than any one i know (including 2 trannies) his Bmw was worse. good luck!
08-16-2005 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by el.cheapo
well, ur exactly right. isolated mechanical and electrical failure should not be indication of a car's quality. it could be a design issue. but if acura can't get the trim pieces right and the whole car rattles, then it tells me that the car is a POS. acura built it like a POS and there's no excuse for that.
yes there are known rattles, but there are also known fixes that teh dealer can do. if your dealer cant fix them id suggest a different dealer.
08-16-2005 | 04:56 PM
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No doubt the TL has flaws. Most of them are probably no worse than you'll get on any other car (and I had all the rattles too including a creaking rear window glass when my car had only 100 miles on it. They can all be fixed, even if it is disappointing that you have to do this).
However, the tranny is particularly a problem because its so expensive to replace. Keeping the car its full life isnt much of an option. FSTTYMS1 got the most miles out of a TL that I know about. I drive alot too and planned to get 150k of trouble free miles out of the car before getting rid of it. Obviously now that is a pipedream. The moment I detect the slightist hint of trouble with tranny #3 the car will be traded in that week.
Yes the brake system is inadequate for the car and I've had 4 sets of rotors on the front so far at 94k miles. I could even look beyond that flaw because a set of nice rotors is under $250 and I can do the brake job start to finish in less than 45 min.
Its the tranny that finishes me off from ever owning another Acura (or Honda) product. Its a shame that it hasn't gotten a bad press wrap because of it. I'd love to see Acura's sales plummet. I shake my head every year when Consumer Reports comes out with the annual auto buying issue and rates the 2nd gen TL a recommended car. But hey, we all know better and at least it gives you some sucker reading the magazine to sell your used TL too!
However, the tranny is particularly a problem because its so expensive to replace. Keeping the car its full life isnt much of an option. FSTTYMS1 got the most miles out of a TL that I know about. I drive alot too and planned to get 150k of trouble free miles out of the car before getting rid of it. Obviously now that is a pipedream. The moment I detect the slightist hint of trouble with tranny #3 the car will be traded in that week.
Yes the brake system is inadequate for the car and I've had 4 sets of rotors on the front so far at 94k miles. I could even look beyond that flaw because a set of nice rotors is under $250 and I can do the brake job start to finish in less than 45 min.
Its the tranny that finishes me off from ever owning another Acura (or Honda) product. Its a shame that it hasn't gotten a bad press wrap because of it. I'd love to see Acura's sales plummet. I shake my head every year when Consumer Reports comes out with the annual auto buying issue and rates the 2nd gen TL a recommended car. But hey, we all know better and at least it gives you some sucker reading the magazine to sell your used TL too!
Originally Posted by el.cheapo
well, ur exactly right. isolated mechanical and electrical failure should not be indication of a car's quality. it could be a design issue. but if acura can't get the trim pieces right and the whole car rattles, then it tells me that the car is a POS. acura built it like a POS and there's no excuse for that.
08-16-2005 | 05:02 PM
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He's really not apologizing for the brand. He's just drive his car many more miles than most of us have and has accepted the situation and dealt with it (like most of us either have, or will inevitably have to). He's already posted in another thread on this topic that he is defecting to another brand when he gets rid of his TL this winter.
Just between the three of us, Acura has lost 3 future sales. Now just hope this becomes a trend the rest will follow. I know it helped spur sales of the InfinityG35 when it first came out. I was here then and saw all the posts about people turning in their cars for them.
Just between the three of us, Acura has lost 3 future sales. Now just hope this becomes a trend the rest will follow. I know it helped spur sales of the InfinityG35 when it first came out. I was here then and saw all the posts about people turning in their cars for them.
Originally Posted by el.cheapo
u can keep apologizing for acura all u want. that's your choice. if i get screwed once, there's no second chance. but that's just me.
08-16-2005 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by el.cheapo
u can keep apologizing for acura all u want. that's your choice. if i get screwed once, there's no second chance. but that's just me.
08-16-2005 | 06:48 PM
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Sorry. Didn't mean to be completing your sentences for you. I'd just assumed you were finished with the brand when you described your upcoming departure for the TL as a "defection".
BTW, What is going on with your 4th tranny? I got the part about you waiting on the OEM clutch pack (as opposed to something from a 3rd party) but that got me wondering why you'd be venturing inside of it while its still working? Wouldn't it make more sense to rebuild your spare instead?
BTW, What is going on with your 4th tranny? I got the part about you waiting on the OEM clutch pack (as opposed to something from a 3rd party) but that got me wondering why you'd be venturing inside of it while its still working? Wouldn't it make more sense to rebuild your spare instead?
Originally Posted by fsttyms1
... im dumping the TL soon for something different because of the tranny issues, no it wont be another TL right now but its not keeping me from looking at the honda brand ever again
08-16-2005 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002AcuraTL
Sorry. Didn't mean to be completing your sentences for you. I'd just assumed you were finished with the brand when you described your upcoming departure for the TL as a "defection".
BTW, What is going on with your 4th tranny? I got the part about you waiting on the OEM clutch pack (as opposed to something from a 3rd party) but that got me wondering why you'd be venturing inside of it while its still working? Wouldn't it make more sense to rebuild your spare instead?
BTW, What is going on with your 4th tranny? I got the part about you waiting on the OEM clutch pack (as opposed to something from a 3rd party) but that got me wondering why you'd be venturing inside of it while its still working? Wouldn't it make more sense to rebuild your spare instead?
I had a 2002 Passat and that mofo stayed in the shop.
08-18-2005 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002AcuraTL
1st tranny went at 30k. Second tranny went at 88k.
The 2nd tranny went in May 2005 and given the number of 'repeat customers' represented on the site there is no truth to the story Acura dealers tell you that the company redesigned the 3rd gear clutch pack to fix the problem. The 'fix' will be the junk yard someday when all the 2nd Gen TL's reach the end of their lives. Until then there will be plenty of sales for Acura of tranny rebuilds once the cars get past either the 100k warranty extension or the 7 years.
Acura should have the same 100k warranty apply to the replacement tranny. Why should the first tranny have 100k coverage but not the second or third or forth etc??? If they are saying that the original transmission should provide 100k of miles, is there something different about the replacement that makes it less likely to give the same 100k of mileage?? If so then why are they putting them into our cars?
The 2nd tranny went in May 2005 and given the number of 'repeat customers' represented on the site there is no truth to the story Acura dealers tell you that the company redesigned the 3rd gear clutch pack to fix the problem. The 'fix' will be the junk yard someday when all the 2nd Gen TL's reach the end of their lives. Until then there will be plenty of sales for Acura of tranny rebuilds once the cars get past either the 100k warranty extension or the 7 years.
Acura should have the same 100k warranty apply to the replacement tranny. Why should the first tranny have 100k coverage but not the second or third or forth etc??? If they are saying that the original transmission should provide 100k of miles, is there something different about the replacement that makes it less likely to give the same 100k of mileage?? If so then why are they putting them into our cars?
08-18-2005 | 07:37 PM
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I had mine die about 2k after i bought it. it had 45k on it when i bought it a year+ ago, had the tranny die a month after i got it (so @ 47k), and now have 83k on it, so 36k on the new tranny and no problems. no loss in fuel consumption either. on highway trips at 80-85 mph i get almost 30 mpg. nice thing is my second tranny is covered under warranty til 147k miles on the odo. think i may have to sell it just short of that. btw it's a 2002 tl-s ssm.
08-18-2005 | 08:02 PM
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How'd you figure on that? The extended warranty doesn't reset from the date or mileage they replace the tranny. Once your car hits 100k its not covered regardless of whether you had 1 tranny or 5.
The exception to the above is that the replacement does come with Acura parts 1 year/12k warranty.
The exception to the above is that the replacement does come with Acura parts 1 year/12k warranty.
Originally Posted by Rose Grad TL-S
.... nice thing is my second tranny is covered under warranty til 147k miles on the odo....
08-18-2005 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002AcuraTL
How'd you figure on that? The extended warranty doesn't reset from the date or mileage they replace the tranny. Once your car hits 100k its not covered regardless of whether you had 1 tranny or 5.
The exception to the above is that the replacement does come with Acura parts 1 year/12k warranty.
The exception to the above is that the replacement does come with Acura parts 1 year/12k warranty.
08-19-2005 | 01:46 PM
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well i got word today that teh new parts came ina and infact are different from the ones in it. (upgraded) the clutch plates are real smooth (the old ones wernt) larger cooling pipes and the shaft has larger hole for fluid 
hopefully it will make a difference.
hopefully it will make a difference.
08-19-2005 | 02:01 PM
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From: kissimmee, fl
i went with the beefed up tranny route and guess what it also failed. i paid 3 grand for this supposed beefed up tranny and had NOTHING but problems. had to have the car towed from kissimmee to apopka FL (approx 50 mi) 4 times. after the 4th time we threatened with legal actio if the car was not fixed as stated in the contract. the assholes had the nerve to tell me we arent fixing it. i was clearly under warranty (15k or 1 year), and they refused to help me. 2 other members of this board suffered the same exact situation form these scam artists.
austin from aw.com and jorge (SCTL-SS the supercharged intercooled tl) we all got screwed, but i am not going down without getting my money back some how. had to pay acura 4 grand to give me a new one. so im in the hole somwhere around 5 grand because of this.
the shop who did my rebuild is called ed's quality transmissions. they shared the garage building with speed distributors (formerly Velocity resources) . ed's transmissions did the tranny rebuilds for S.D.' but i guess he was doing a shitty job so they moved to another location and did the work inhouse. S.D. has recently gone out of business so as far as i know nobody else does these tranny rebuildd.
if you are in florida and plan to geta tranny rebuild, avoid ed's quality transmissions in apopka at all costs!! nice guys when you pay them, assholes when you bring back their crappy product(tranny that failed 4 times).
when acura did my tranny swap, they noted that there were numerous stripped bolts, broken brackets and signs of poor work. caveman mechanics i guess, hammer it out.
austin from aw.com and jorge (SCTL-SS the supercharged intercooled tl) we all got screwed, but i am not going down without getting my money back some how. had to pay acura 4 grand to give me a new one. so im in the hole somwhere around 5 grand because of this.
the shop who did my rebuild is called ed's quality transmissions. they shared the garage building with speed distributors (formerly Velocity resources) . ed's transmissions did the tranny rebuilds for S.D.' but i guess he was doing a shitty job so they moved to another location and did the work inhouse. S.D. has recently gone out of business so as far as i know nobody else does these tranny rebuildd.
if you are in florida and plan to geta tranny rebuild, avoid ed's quality transmissions in apopka at all costs!! nice guys when you pay them, assholes when you bring back their crappy product(tranny that failed 4 times).
when acura did my tranny swap, they noted that there were numerous stripped bolts, broken brackets and signs of poor work. caveman mechanics i guess, hammer it out.
08-19-2005 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
well i got word today that teh new parts came ina and infact are different from the ones in it. (upgraded) the clutch plates are real smooth (the old ones wernt) larger cooling pipes and the shaft has larger hole for fluid hopefully it will make a difference.
hopefully it will make a difference.interesting, if in fact they are different I may have a reason to keep this damn car.!
08-19-2005 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
well i got word today that teh new parts came ina and infact are different from the ones in it. (upgraded) the clutch plates are real smooth (the old ones wernt) larger cooling pipes and the shaft has larger hole for fluid hopefully it will make a difference.
hopefully it will make a difference.when I had mine replaced last week. Was told new parts were issued
in Feb 05, so perhaps that is what you are seeing.
I hope it works too. I like the way the replacement unit is performing.
/Steve
BTW: You said something about posting photos of the differences?
(would be very interesting to see).
08-19-2005 | 02:19 PM
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From: San jOse
Originally Posted by fsttyms1
well i got word today that teh new parts came ina and infact are different from the ones in it. (upgraded) the clutch plates are real smooth (the old ones wernt) larger cooling pipes and the shaft has larger hole for fluid hopefully it will make a difference.
hopefully it will make a difference.extra insurance. It seems like people had installed these to no avail before but
if fluid delivery is improved now and a cooler dropped the fluid temps a few
more degrees it seems like it might do the unit some good in terms of longevity
and reliability.
/Steve
08-19-2005 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
well i got word today that teh new parts came ina and infact are different from the ones in it. (upgraded) the clutch plates are real smooth (the old ones wernt) larger cooling pipes and the shaft has larger hole for fluid hopefully it will make a difference.
hopefully it will make a difference.
08-19-2005 | 04:41 PM
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I'm new here, maybe this has come up but...
I have not heard of the 3rd gen TL's (2004+) having tranny issues yet.
Does the design of the new generation trans allow it to go into 2nd gen TL's with little or no modification to mounting etc...
Just a thought for you multiple failure guys to look into it maybe try and push for it???
I have not heard of the 3rd gen TL's (2004+) having tranny issues yet.
Does the design of the new generation trans allow it to go into 2nd gen TL's with little or no modification to mounting etc...
Just a thought for you multiple failure guys to look into it maybe try and push for it???
08-19-2005 | 05:14 PM
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Vinovelo: Whats the name and number of the dealership who told you this? My 3rd tranny went into the car at the end of May 2005. My dealer doesnt know anything about redesigned parts being used so I'd like to chat with your serivce dept guys and see what additional info they can tell me, including a way to check and see if the tranny pulled of the shelf to go into my car was rebuilt after Feb. (assuming new parts is true). Perhaps there is a code tag on it, or stamped into it that would give rebuild date info.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Originally Posted by vinovelo
Hmm... Good to hear. That jives with what I was told by the dealer when I had mine replaced last week. Was told new parts were issued
in Feb 05, so perhaps that is what you are seeing.
/Steve
in Feb 05, so perhaps that is what you are seeing.
/Steve
08-20-2005 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002AcuraTL
How'd you figure on that? The extended warranty doesn't reset from the date or mileage they replace the tranny. Once your car hits 100k its not covered regardless of whether you had 1 tranny or 5.
The exception to the above is that the replacement does come with Acura parts 1 year/12k warranty.
The exception to the above is that the replacement does come with Acura parts 1 year/12k warranty.
08-21-2005 | 08:30 PM
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From: Appleton WI
Originally Posted by Rose Grad TL-S
the dealership in greenwood, in, where it was serviced said my tranny (and I have it in writing) is good for an additional 100k miles once installed so it should be good til 147k. i didn't believe it either so i had them put it in writing, i will try to find it and scan it in for all. if i got scammed by the dealer, i'll be up there on Monday having words. maybe that's why you all call them Stealers....
08-22-2005 | 02:41 PM
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From: San jOse
Originally Posted by 2002AcuraTL
Vinovelo: Whats the name and number of the dealership who told you this? My 3rd tranny went into the car at the end of May 2005. My dealer doesnt know anything about redesigned parts being used so I'd like to chat with your serivce dept guys and see what additional info they can tell me, including a way to check and see if the tranny pulled of the shelf to go into my car was rebuilt after Feb. (assuming new parts is true). Perhaps there is a code tag on it, or stamped into it that would give rebuild date info.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Was told similar thing. Coolant AFT fluid delivery improved and plates smoothed.
The parts re-issied in Fed with old parts make sense. If they have identified
another improvement the factory would want the units prone to failure back
to the plant to be retrofitted. I have to belive they would like this problem to
go away as much as possible.
Unfortunately I am now with a dead battery. Coincedence one week after
the tranny was replaced? Maybe. Alternator is putting out 14.25 volts so
it is changing. Either a dead cell or something is loading the battery.
Good thing I have a portable jumper I got on EBay a few years back. Stupid
little thing has saved my butt more than once.
/Steve