2nd Gen Transmission
03-30-2011, 05:11 PM
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2nd Gen Transmission
hey i have a weird question i went to acura to buy original transmission fluid and they told me it only takes 3 quarts,i told them i was going to drain it and add new fluid..is 3 quarts all it takes?..and i was also wondering if my transmission is cvt?
03-30-2011, 05:16 PM
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it takes 3 to 3.4 qts on a single drain and refill cycle- thats an `acura service`
thats what parts dept is thinking- what the techs ask for
Its total fluid capacity is 7.3 qts,,and if plan to change all the fluid-
its called the 3x3 using 9 qts..3 qts 3 times
you can buy the same stuff at honda for a buck or 2 cheaper~
thats what parts dept is thinking- what the techs ask for
Its total fluid capacity is 7.3 qts,,and if plan to change all the fluid-
its called the 3x3 using 9 qts..3 qts 3 times
you can buy the same stuff at honda for a buck or 2 cheaper~
03-30-2011, 07:36 PM
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Do it yourself. It's easier and cleaner than an engine oil/filter change!
My trans seems to take a touch under 3 quarts per change and I swop out 3 quarts every 9000 miles or so.
My trans seems to take a touch under 3 quarts per change and I swop out 3 quarts every 9000 miles or so.
03-30-2011, 08:39 PM
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Make certain you can loosen the ATF filler bolt before you drain the fluid. If not it's possible to refill using the dipstick hole with an appropriate funnel, & time.
03-31-2011, 01:14 AM
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buy 4 qts - once you have made sure the fill and drain bolts can be loosened- tighten them back up and drive 15 minutes on the freeway to warm the fluid
This will help drain contaminents out and seems to get more fluid out total
the system holds 3.some qts inside the torque convertor -it only drains other parts of the system,,cant get it from the TQ with gravity
It will give up somewhere between 3 and 3.4 qts depending on angle, drain time etc
You want to refill with the same exact amont of fluid- measure!
gravity draining approx half the total is considered a trans service by acura
they dont normally do a 3x3 `full fluid changeout` on an older car like ours- fear of washing away needed crud~ exceptions for rebuilt or low miles trans
on the driver side rear of trans, the drain says ATF above it and is a square cutout into a bolt- insert a normal 3/8" drive ratchet/breaker bar in it and give it a whack with a hammer if needed
some penetrating lube can help on both those bolts
This will help drain contaminents out and seems to get more fluid out total
the system holds 3.some qts inside the torque convertor -it only drains other parts of the system,,cant get it from the TQ with gravity
It will give up somewhere between 3 and 3.4 qts depending on angle, drain time etc
You want to refill with the same exact amont of fluid- measure!
gravity draining approx half the total is considered a trans service by acura
they dont normally do a 3x3 `full fluid changeout` on an older car like ours- fear of washing away needed crud~ exceptions for rebuilt or low miles trans
on the driver side rear of trans, the drain says ATF above it and is a square cutout into a bolt- insert a normal 3/8" drive ratchet/breaker bar in it and give it a whack with a hammer if needed
some penetrating lube can help on both those bolts
03-31-2011, 01:19 AM
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the TC moves fluid out of itself and thru the system as you drive
On a 3x3, between each draining you would drive 5 minutes at low speed using each gear, to push fluid thru selenoids and lines,,bringing new fluid into the TC and old fluid to the drain area
fluid level test from cold: drive 15 minutes on freeway cruise speed-
get off and park on safe level ground- engine OFF- remove dipstick and wipe clean- insert fully and remove
level should be BETWEEN the upper 2 dots, not at either- between
On a 3x3, between each draining you would drive 5 minutes at low speed using each gear, to push fluid thru selenoids and lines,,bringing new fluid into the TC and old fluid to the drain area
fluid level test from cold: drive 15 minutes on freeway cruise speed-
get off and park on safe level ground- engine OFF- remove dipstick and wipe clean- insert fully and remove
level should be BETWEEN the upper 2 dots, not at either- between
03-31-2011, 11:40 AM
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start with a basic 3x1 and see how it goes
should be fine- 40k is good between changes
IF you had never done fluid and current miles= looking for trouble
should be fine- 40k is good between changes
IF you had never done fluid and current miles= looking for trouble
03-31-2011, 11:32 PM
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But when I took my TL in for a diagnostic on a weird issue I had (when going downhill it would shift from 4th to 2nd "too soon")..they said fluid was dark and should be power flushed. I told them no, but asked for the interval. They told me every 15k/1yr.
So now it boils down to the manual (severe service) at 30k/2yrs or what the service advisor said...15k/1yr....???
04-01-2011, 12:59 AM
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service writers work on commission
so the dealer thinks every fluid should be replaced every year!
I agree with 1- 2 years on brake fluid, 3qts atf yearly
the atf power flush at acura is for the newer cars with a totally different trans than us, and to save the tech time= makes shop money the faster they can pump cars thru
the book was written years before actual trans wear was known
and mostly to satisfy govt rules wanting cars to need less mait,,so schedule it farther apart and make a `severe` cat. with realistic numbers
so the dealer thinks every fluid should be replaced every year!
I agree with 1- 2 years on brake fluid, 3qts atf yearly
the atf power flush at acura is for the newer cars with a totally different trans than us, and to save the tech time= makes shop money the faster they can pump cars thru
the book was written years before actual trans wear was known
and mostly to satisfy govt rules wanting cars to need less mait,,so schedule it farther apart and make a `severe` cat. with realistic numbers
04-01-2011, 11:10 AM
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acura method developed for newer cars with different trans and ecu system than us- that requires 2000-2500 rpm for certain trans functions
they put it on the lift and run engine- shifting thru the gears (sound familiar)
adding new fluid as old comes out
the actual procedure was posted on here within last 2 years
they put it on the lift and run engine- shifting thru the gears (sound familiar)
adding new fluid as old comes out
the actual procedure was posted on here within last 2 years
04-01-2011, 03:45 PM
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Are you referring to my post? If so, I didn't ask a question that needed a yes or no answer. Seems like you missed that.... should I go by my service manual (printed BY Honda) or the service advisor?
01tl4tl says manual, and even going to 40k at the latest between changes. I'm almost close to that already...so I'm going to do it ASAP regardless. A drain and fill was done at 77k, so I'm wondering if it's feasable to do a 3x3 w/o worry of damage. And the trans has already had been either replaced or repaired under the trans recall campaign...not sure when or at what mileage, but it was done...
01tl4tl says manual, and even going to 40k at the latest between changes. I'm almost close to that already...so I'm going to do it ASAP regardless. A drain and fill was done at 77k, so I'm wondering if it's feasable to do a 3x3 w/o worry of damage. And the trans has already had been either replaced or repaired under the trans recall campaign...not sure when or at what mileage, but it was done...
04-01-2011, 04:51 PM
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blue bolt heads on the trans are warranty replaced trans units
you are fine with either a basic 3 qt drain and refill , or do it 2 or 3 times as desired-
with 5 minute drive using each gear between drainings
the trans in your car has low miles between changes,,not 100,000 and never been touched
Thats when its a problem
service depts make up packages that are not in the book- might be things they found needed at xx miles by many cars, or just a good profiteering package for them
Very few writers are actual techs, many have zero knowledge about cars
they are Salespersons of auto parts and service labor--they exist to make money for the dealership
Service Dept supports the entire place!
you are fine with either a basic 3 qt drain and refill , or do it 2 or 3 times as desired-
with 5 minute drive using each gear between drainings
the trans in your car has low miles between changes,,not 100,000 and never been touched
Thats when its a problem
service depts make up packages that are not in the book- might be things they found needed at xx miles by many cars, or just a good profiteering package for them
Very few writers are actual techs, many have zero knowledge about cars
they are Salespersons of auto parts and service labor--they exist to make money for the dealership
Service Dept supports the entire place!
04-01-2011, 04:57 PM
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in general I suggest follow the severe duty section of any book maitenance-
since they call commute, short trips, stop and go, extended high speed- all things that put us in that section,,but its in the really fine print~
Look at your daily use and its probably pretty severe on the car
brake fluid every year or 2
ps fluid 2-3 years
coolant 5 years
egr cleaning: `not in book`- every 75k
arrrgh guess who needs to go do some maitenance and order a headlight kit
since they call commute, short trips, stop and go, extended high speed- all things that put us in that section,,but its in the really fine print~
Look at your daily use and its probably pretty severe on the car
brake fluid every year or 2
ps fluid 2-3 years
coolant 5 years
egr cleaning: `not in book`- every 75k
arrrgh guess who needs to go do some maitenance and order a headlight kit
04-01-2011, 05:20 PM
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Are you referring to my post? If so, I didn't ask a question that needed a yes or no answer. Seems like you missed that.... should I go by my service manual (printed BY Honda) or the service advisor?
01tl4tl says manual, and even going to 40k at the latest between changes. I'm almost close to that already...so I'm going to do it ASAP regardless. A drain and fill was done at 77k, so I'm wondering if it's feasable to do a 3x3 w/o worry of damage. And the trans has already had been either replaced or repaired under the trans recall campaign...not sure when or at what mileage, but it was done...
01tl4tl says manual, and even going to 40k at the latest between changes. I'm almost close to that already...so I'm going to do it ASAP regardless. A drain and fill was done at 77k, so I'm wondering if it's feasable to do a 3x3 w/o worry of damage. And the trans has already had been either replaced or repaired under the trans recall campaign...not sure when or at what mileage, but it was done...
Nope I was referring to the CVT trans dude... But yeah I did not Noticed your question sorry for the confusion.
Anyway I dont read the Service Manual on that One, I just go with a Change Every Year + Magnefine Inline Filter need to Change the OEM filter aswell but is PITA to get the replacement without part No.
Answer: Nope it Isnt.
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04-01-2011, 05:41 PM
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in general I suggest follow the severe duty section of any book maitenance-
since they call commute, short trips, stop and go, extended high speed- all things that put us in that section,,but its in the really fine print~
Look at your daily use and its probably pretty severe on the car
brake fluid every year or 2
ps fluid 2-3 years
coolant 5 years
egr cleaning: `not in book`- every 75k
arrrgh guess who needs to go do some maitenance and order a headlight kit
since they call commute, short trips, stop and go, extended high speed- all things that put us in that section,,but its in the really fine print~
Look at your daily use and its probably pretty severe on the car
brake fluid every year or 2
ps fluid 2-3 years
coolant 5 years
egr cleaning: `not in book`- every 75k
arrrgh guess who needs to go do some maitenance and order a headlight kit
Nice to have Clean New Blue Anti-Freeze in there... PS: OEM Anti-freeze is insanely expensive.
Damn I need to do the EGR port cleaning Im just concern about screwing up something, My TL runs soooo great that I dont wanna lose that. Just how difficult is cleaning the EGR port in a 5/5 level?
04-01-2011, 10:49 PM
#27
1.8-2.0 of 5
can you operate a torque wrench, a ratchet, carb cleaner and a wire poking rod?
then you can do it!
we have non-mechanical type ladies here, that were amazed at how easy it really was.
so many tips on azine you cant go wrong
do we have pics back up for the diy?
can you operate a torque wrench, a ratchet, carb cleaner and a wire poking rod?
then you can do it!
we have non-mechanical type ladies here, that were amazed at how easy it really was.
so many tips on azine you cant go wrong
do we have pics back up for the diy?
04-01-2011, 10:51 PM
#28
San Diego gets extra moisture available to the oils hygroscopic action-
great that you are doing them yearly
trans annual change is excellent plan to
great that you are doing them yearly
trans annual change is excellent plan to
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