TypeSDriver

I realize there's plenty of info all over this board on this subject, but I would like feedback from people who have this SAME SETUP. I'm not interested in people with 18's or 19's because that does not help me. I'm looking to get the Konig Trouble wheels in silver with 235/45/17 Falken Ziex ZE-512 tires. Currently I'm not lowered but I'm thinking about dropping it with some Comptech springs (as well as some Comptech Sways) pretty soon.

Will I rub with a +45 offset? Anybody with this setup, whether lowered or not, please help me. I don't want any problems after I mount the new wheels.

By the way, check out this site to see the wheels I'm getting. I think they are going to look awesome on my Sativ Silver TL-S!! At least I hope they do.

http://www.rdmwheels.com/konig/trouble.htm

Thanks in advance for any help you guys can give me...

jayhawk815

First, I'd like to start off by saying that no, I do not have the setup you are looking at. There shouldn't be any issues with rubbing with this setup. My only suggestion is to go with a narrower tire, such as a 225 or 215 series. From my experience these two work better with a 7" wide wheel. When you get too wide of a tire for a rim, you can run into problems, both with safety and performance loss regarding handling. Too wide of a tire may cause more movement in relation to the wheel, giving you a less solid feel. But if this is the setup you are determined to have, then give it a shot. You shouldn't run into any rubbing issues, with or without a drop, as long as it isn't to drastic.

TypeSDriver

Thanks for the advice. I was thinking about going back to the stock size, but I love the footprint of the car with the wider tires. Plus, it handles so much better with the wider tires.

Anybody else have some ideas, or comments on the wheels.

edgalang

This is a 235/45-17 Sumitomo HTR+ mounted on the stock 2001 CLS wheel. Problem with your setup vs mine is that the offset of the stock wheel is +55. You can ask anyone in the CL board if they have a +45, but all of the +55 guys definitely don't rub.

goldendragon576

you shouldn't rub.

elah

edgalang: are you sayin CLs wheels are more prone to rubbing?

edgalang

?! NO

I was just saying that I (and the rest of the CLS community) can vouch for 235/45-17 on the stock CLS wheel.

But...since he has a +45 offset, I can't be too sure.

69ssrscam

I can help put you at ease here. I am running 235x45x17s on a 17 x 8 inch wheel with a +45 off set and I don't have any rubbing with stock springs. You would be on a 17 x 7 so your wheel/tire will be 1 inch further in from the fender. You will not have any problems with this size, EVEN if you lower it.

FidizzyTypeS

Just to clear things up..........giving yourself a wider tire with out the car being designed for it only decreases your performance....you're not gaining any handling whatsoever.

Read up on this

http://www.chris-longhurst.com/carbi...yre_bible.html

hemants

Not quite true.

Exceeding manufacturers recommended rim width range will result in less sidewall stiffness (because it's not a smooth parabolic curve anymore, it bends closer to the shoulder) but the change in the shape of the contact patch WILL change your handling characteristics. It can help you reduce torque steer and will improve dry traction.

Keep in mind that just because someone can exceed recommended rim width by 1 inch on a 17 inch tire, doesn't mean you can do that on a 19 inch. The more sidewall is available to bend, the more you can exceed recommendations.

And finally, exceeding recommended width is NOT unsafe, it is more a diminishing return tradeoff in terms of performance. ie. to truly take advantage of a 235/45/17 you really need a 7.5 or 8 inch rim. If you want to do it on a 6.5 inch rim your handling will be better in some ways and worse in others.

TypeSDriver

Thanks for all of your replies so far guys. So putting a 235/45/17 tire on a 17 x 7 wheel is obviously possible, since I have it on my car now. I certainly gained traction upon acceleration from a stop, but I think that could be because of how much stickier the Sumitomos are compared to the crap stock Michelins. It also seems to handle better compared to stock, but that's probably for the same reason. I definitely noticed a difference in the way the car feels. Most of the time I don't mind, but it does feel a little different...I'm not even sure how to describe it. It's not really a bad thing, it just feels different than the stock setup.

So my questions are: How will the handling be worse with this setup? Would I be better off getting those same tires in the stock size?

paul_huryk

Any performace car can benefit from having a wider tire to contact the road. I'm still trying to figure out why Acura didn't put a 225-50-17 or a 235-45-17 on a 7" or 7.5" wheel from the factory - it would have improved handling quite a bit. 215 is way too narrow for a 3500lb+ car - even a base buick comes with a 225 wide tire. Anyway, the point is that going to a wider tire helps because you have more rubber on the road. A z06 vette handles better than a base vette for 2 reasons - the width of the tire and the tire's design - put z06 rubber on a base vette and its almost the same performance. Same thing hold true for a TL - put 2004 TL width rubber on it and it should improve handling. I would love to be able to put a 245-40-18 tire on my TL - it won't fit though, damn.

TypeSDriver

From reading that website that FidizzyTypeS listed above, it would appear that there might not be much of a difference in handling ability between these two tires sizes. It may have a lot more to do with the brand/model of tire than it's actual size...

TypeSDriver

Just wanted to post a pic of the wheels that I'm going to get. I listed the website in my first post, but here is a picture of them anyway.

69ssrscam

Great looking spokes. I've always loved the clasic 5 spoke design. Needs more of a defined lip though, kind of interesting the way the spokes go into the rim right at the edge...hmmm

hemants

GTP. Yes. I'd rather have a high quality 215/50/17 than a mediochre quality 235/45/17.

I have SP9000's in 215/50/17 and they stick to the road like a cat on velcro.

TypeSDriver

Yeah, I'm a big 5-spoke fan myself. I love the look of these wheels, the only thing I don't like is that I've got a feeling that these wheels in 17" are going to look like 16" or smaller. That's why the stock 17" wheels look so big, the spokes go all the way to the edge. I have a post on Acura-CL.com about them, and someone posted their TSX with these rims in 17" on it (in graphite) and they look kind of small. The thread is titled "Performance Gains from lighter wheels?" if you guys want to check it out.

Here's the link: http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143533