typeR

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=91736

this is me

now i'm really thinking about 3.5 upgrade.

Eternal TL2k3

wud our tranny's be able to handle that 3.5L??? though im sure it wud be cheaper to do that than to get the I/H/E.... in the long run it might be better but i dont think I/H/E wud run 6grand... thats the going price on the 3.5L right?

PeterUbers

iTrader: (1)

3.5L upgrade on FWD car for $6K = waste o' money

Gilgamesh

On A-CL typeR said it runs about $2500...unless I misread.

MotionEffects

thats awsome, 13's and only $2500 but the problem is the warrentee. . is ur car stick or auto

typeR

3.5L on a FWD car='s 2500$ +install and a 13.7 add your headers and intake

Edr0e

Has anyone taken their supercharged CL- S 6spd to the track???

Im wondering what times it can pull..

13.7 is pretty impressive! Now you can go race all these little rice rockets with type R motors

A Hatchback with a type R motor would be your next best race...

Mr Zipps

I called Park Ave in NJ and I was told the only Acura Dealer doing 3.5L is Rick Case in FL. Park Ave is going to start soon. All the engine and transmission warantees would be voided. He said it would run $6,000. That is kinda expensive. I would go with the supercharger. I think Comptech is running a special for like $5,000. I was told by Wayne Acura in NJ that there is now a supercharger for the TL-S. I haven't seen it yet on there site. He told me to call them.

Mr
03 ABP TL-S
New Jersey
Mr_@yahoo.com

fortunate

Wow, voiding of all the warranties, even tranny. Forget it :P

typeR

please...my dealer installed mine...there is a set price for a short block install the cost of the unit is 2500$ and every single dealership in the country should charge the same 20.3 hours at between 65-85$ per...most of you could find a well qualified mechanic to do it for between 750-1000$...this is a straight bolt in...and BTW my warranty is full intact...

RAdams

Nice work. Congratulations!

typeR

thank you sir

Mr Zipps

The only dealer doing it right now is Rick Case in FL. Its not a straight bolt on. You need certain attachments. There is a kit out that the dealer uses. I have talked to 2 different Acura dealers in NJ (Park Ave and Wayne) Wayne never even heard about the conversion and Park Ave did hear about it but hasn't done it because they dont have the kit. He said all waranttee would be voided that dealed with the engine and tranny.

This was what I was told.

Mr
03 ABP TL-S
New Jersey
Mr_@yahoo.com

PeterUbers

iTrader: (1)

Congrats on not having your warranty voided. ... 99.99% of the rest of these people will have it voided w/ the 3.5L upgrade. I mean no dispect to your modification, congrats on the success w/ that endeavor. I expect you plan to keep the TL-S for quite a while, as you should, you've invested much time and $$ into it.

I think you'd agree that there are a lot of "what-ifs' in a major mod like the one you undertook, therefore, I stand by my inital statement (as far as I'm concerned, again, i mean no disrespect to you or your endeavor).

fortunate

After such a major change w/ the engine, how does one know that their warranty is fully intact?

typeR

because my dealer installed it...not rick case...this is a J series block and there are no midifications at all every part bolts upto every exisiting part..perhaps your dealer just doesnt want to do it and that's why theyre giving you a song...my dealer even consulted tech support about it during the install and they said "it's the same thing..." meaning the blocks...and if doug wanted(the builder of the kit) he could easily use your existing block and no one ,absolutely no one could tell anything had been done w/o a complete tear down and inspection to the millimeter...i was there i watched it go in...this by itself is no more a major change than headers and intake,it just takes more labor to do...it comes completely assembled and every gasket is included...again it bolts right up w/o any modifacations...please understand im not trying to sell anybody here...i dont sell them someone else does.if you wanted one now ,not even sure if you could get it,....it's just not as a big a deal as some of you seem to think,only the results are big...

r10apple

Wow...Think the s/c with other mods couldactually top TypeR's run with the 3.5L?
Decisions, decisions...

typeR

there's no doubt the s/c has more potential,one can you moddify the 6mt version or accord version to fit or can you wait for yours to be made?...two ... it costs about 1500-2000 more... but as i said certainly more potential...

rominl

wow that's some very impressive time!

Yemeni TL-S

NICE! ... but i would never spend that much money on performance for a FWD. No where near the same

Allout

Can't beat displacement. Your HP and Torque curve have got to be a lot broader than a 3.2 with mods. Peak HP is one thing but usable HP is another. Plus, if you really wanted to get crazy, you could still Supercharge your 3.5. Probably end up with more than the chasis and drivetrain could handle though.

To me, the pricing isn't that outrageous. When you back out the cost of the headers, exhaust, and intake, the price isn't that bad. People drop more into cosmetic stuff and don't think twice. This mod can be done for the cost of a good set of tires and rims. For me, I would rather have less show and more go.

Great runs and an incredible mod.

typeR

well thank you and i think you summed it up nicely,it's all about perspective..

Allout

You're quite welcome and well deserved.

I'm not real clear though. Is it an MDX short block using 3.2L ported and polished heads?

typeR

acctually an oddessy shorty on stock cl-S heads .but the crank is worked and increased compression 10.87

typeR

http://public.fotki.com/typeR/typer/dsc00063clone.html

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

Well typeR... whatever board you post on it's still mighty impressive. I definitely think that this could be an upgrade of mine in the future.

As for the rest of you guys... you crack me up!! LOL.... here is a part that costs $2500 (plus about $1k install) and not only boosts up your HP.. but really increases your torque and you're all saying it cost too much money, voids the warranty.. blah, blah, blah. And the best part is that you guys are actually arguing about the mod with someone who has actually had it done... too funny.

When you think about it, the typical Intake, headers and exhaust combo would combined $1700 or so ($1000 headers, $500 exhaust, $200 intake) plus installation I think you'll start to see that this mod is awesome. Plus, from that combo above you're only getting about 35-37whp, and not much improvement on torque. Supercharger, go for it. $4500 plus install for 50whp... not worth it in my book. Not only that... but the chances of your warranty being voided by the 3.5L upgrade are the same as adding headers or any other engine mod... so if your dealer is cool with it... then your warranty is fine.

$2500 is about the price some people spend to buy heavy ass chrome rims or huge stereo systems which make the car slower. It depends what you want... show or go. For $2500.. you can get some serious go. I mean look at it.... here you have an auto CL-S running a 13.794@101.54 in Florida. While he did have good conditions, imagine what those times could be for us in the Northeast... especially considering that our engines love the cold air. Damn... that's just too sweet.

Good show typeR

typeR

ya...what he said

ZodiakTL

just so u guys know, i've been trying to get this done for some time now, and rick case acura does not do it anymore.. i've been talking to doug for the last couple of months trying to arrange it with park ave acura, and at some point he stopped returning my calls... so i dont know that its possible at all at this point, unless someone has the procedure/part list documented

typeR

i have a new number for doug i understood he moved to the north east...PM me at ACL

Ray_Khan

I agree....the 3.5 is cheaper and safer than the SC. Not to mention, most dealer techs would never notice it...so I doubt warranty woudl be an issue. Whereare, it's a lot harder to sneak the sc by a tech. I think the 3.5 is a great upgrade and you can always mod on top of that.

r10apple

Wow. JB almost made me want to cry. You could probably cut down 90% of the posts (which are all about griping anyway) by quoting a majority of what he said under each topic...
Best of all, he's right...
I'd still like to see the 3.5, exterior mods galore and the s/c bolted on just for the h=ll of it...I only have 20k before my warranty is up so who knows...You'd need steroids to hold onto the steering wheel for all that torque steer-well, at least until your tranny dies a wondrous death...

joecooool

I can't believe you guys are excited about spending $6k and only getting one second quicker in the 1/4 mile.

When I dumped half that amount into my Miata I went from a 17.5 to a 13.2.

You could run a nitrous kit for under a grand that would get you in the same time range.

Ray_Khan

it's a different market. There is a larger enthusiast group oout there for miatas. And since they are a popular track car, there are more parts and they are cheaper. It costs more moeny to mod more expensive cars. That's just how it is.

r10apple

Wow...I can't imagine spraying NOS and frying my ride...I think we all know nitrous is the cheapest thing you could possibly do to go fast (while going straight) but I think the TL-S is a beast deserving something a bit more refined...
I still want to waste my $$$ on the s/c...I've never owned a car longer than 2 years, and with all the mods I've made and wanted, I suppose I should just throw a little more money and buy an M3 or a C32 or something, but truly, I LOVE THIS CAR! I drove a G35 sedan for the h=ll of it and I like the Acura so much more beyond the obvious styling issues...Besides, with my mods and $$$ I saved, my TL-S is much stronger...

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

What are you talking about??

3.5L upgrade should run no more then $3500-$3700 INSTALLED.

Drops your time from 15.2-15.5 (stock) - to 13.7. $3500 for almost 2 full seconds. That's just too sweet!! Add the S/C and who knows what you would run :wow:

The excitement is also coming from the fact that we're starting to get some mods that pack some serious HP and torque and aren't the standard I/H/E combo. Sure, the parts are a little more expensive for our cars... but if you wanna play you gotta pay

EmuMessenger

Does anyone have a detailed document that covers everything that takes place for this conversion?

typeR

it's a pre assembled kit. some of the details are scetchy

EmuMessenger

Thanks. Do you have a part number or the name of someone that still performs this modification? I saw one place stopped doing the upgrade.

typeR

you might be able to still get the kit,but you would have to find your own install..