Pinstripes925

I went to the track today with my 99 TL and ran a 16.9, 16.6, and a 16.4. I am all stock excpet for a short ram intake. The weater was 75 degrees and 100% humidty. I thought a stock TL gets somewhere in the 15's. Any suggestions what was wrong? Also, wut did u guys do in the quarter mile?

bigdo26

well, what were your trap speeds? I'm new to the TL community, but I'm pretty familiar with 1/4 mile, and running cars in general. In 75 degree weather, you should be getting way faster than mid to high 16's. If your trap speeds are real low (80's) then your car isnt running right (could be any number of things, retarded timing due to knock sensors, tranny slipping, or many other possibilities). If the trap speeds are where they should be (guessing ~91 for TL-P) then your car is making all the up top power and you're having some serious launching issues it would seem

fsttyms1

get rid of the short ram and learn to gate shift

againstallodds1

Where did you run at? I was talking to someone at Atco raceway running the same times as you were last night. I wonder if it was you?

Pinstripes925

Yeah i think that was me you were talking to. my speeds on the track were around 84-85 mph

MrAlex

What is your 0-60ft ? my time was 15.7 with my cai only the 1st time at the track .. did you let the car cool down between each run ?

Pinstripes925

after each run i would pull off the track and back in the line with my hood pooped to cool the engine. there was about a 20 minute wait before each run so i think it had time to cool. my first run i just slammed it and it felt like it took forever to hit vtec and pull. on my 3rd run i eased into it and then slammed it and got my best time of 16.4. i think if i ease into it a little longer and had less humidty i would be in the 15's. another question is what is the stock 99 tl supposed to do in the 1/4 mile?

MrAlex

Stock is 15.7 , what is your 0-60ft time ? try to shift it in ss mode ..

Pinstripes925

my 60 foot ranges from 2.7-2.6. and i had it in D4. should i have had it in another gear or used tiptronic?

againstallodds1

Yea that was me you were talking to. Your tires are part of the problem. With a 2.6 - 2.7 60' you had to be spinning. I pulled my best time that night, 13.71 at 104 mph. If you can go next Thursday or Friday, ill be spraying my car for the first time at the track. We will lower your tire pressure a little and see if you can get that 15.?. Im trying to get a 12.9 next week with spray.

MegaKillTron

Fastest I got my car stock was 15.86

Pinstripes925

i might go again next thursday. i heard it is very crowded on fridays and i want to get the most runs i can get in.

moahdriven

with i/h/e/p i was gettin around 15.5. the guys said the high elevation was cause for cars to be slower tho.

i was pretty disappointed, was expecting at least 15.0.

S1CK TypeS

whats the stock 1/4 mile time and speed for a TL-S?

MrAlex

your 0-60ft suck .. you should be able to do 2.3 0-60ft ... each 0.1 you gain on 0-60ft give your about .2 at the end .. so 16.4 will be more like 15.6 ... and shift in ss mode at about 6800rpm.. for the start brake torke between 1500-2000rpm ..

fla-tls

14.8 to 15.0.

Pinstripes925

idk wut u guys r talking about shifting in ss mood. i put it in D4. wut should i do?

Hockeyman

move the shifter a click to the left when your in d4. this is SS, when your at the top of the redline, push up to upshift. This will make your times a bit faster.

MrAlex

and do not hit the rev limiter ! shift it just before.. (at about 6800rpm)

Pinstripes925

o so just put it in tiptronic. you guys made it sound so sporty and fancy. i thought it was bad to put it in tiptronic cause it makes the tranny too hot.

bigdo26

If anything the tiptronic mode should decrease heat buildup in the tranny. Supposedly it makes shifts faster, and a faster shift means the transfer of fluid in the tranny is faster, i.e. les resistance which means less heat buildup. I'm not entirely sure if the shifts are indeed faster, havent timed them, but thats the claim i've heard.

againstallodds1

You should check it out Friday too, I might be there Thursday, depending when I get the NX kit put in. But definately Friday, Im going to try to be the first 3rd GEN TL running 12's. I know Ill get the fastest time since I am only .3 away from my mechanic without spray.

MrAlex

i dont think the tranny shift faster.. in auto mode the tlp shift at about 6300rpm .. and in tiptronic you can go to 6800 rpm .. this is good to take advantage of air intake/headers..

JoseJA1979

There's your problem... 60 foot times. You should be able to cut at least a 2.4
Maybe the track just wasn't prepped well, which happens all the time.

I ran my bone stock '01 TL at the track 2 weeks ago for the first time and ran a 15.7 at 89 mph with a 2.2 '60 foot using the SS shift.

bigdo26

hopefully i'll be at the New England Dragway in NH a week from today to see what my car can do. With a well prepped track (and it usually is) I've pulled 2.1 60's with my old maxima (auto tranny), hopefully can keep the TL in the 2.2 range. If anyone lives nearby, should come that night. Always a good time, and as of the last time i went its only like $10 or 15 to run your car all night.

I have a post going in the performance section and have seen some responses that TL-S with H/I can only pull ~14.8 @ 94. I'm hopeful of 14.5 at closer to 100 after seeing people's dyno's of headers and intake (close to 300 crank hp). But we'll see!!

pmptx

At 3750lbs, I was running 14.7 with CAI and headers.
Another TLS was running thermoblock and really light weight wheels and closer to 3500lbs and got 14.5 with traps in the 98's. Mine were 96-97

bigdo26

hmm... i'm gonna be doing some weight reduction before going, should be able to drop 100 pounds off the usual weight of the car. Would like to be trapping in t he 98's, that'd be a good showing of the power gained from headers. Can't wait to find out!

maxx96

- What was the track temp that day/night? You should go faster than that with CAI and Headers. See my sig.

- Don't be fooled by the temp, 100% humidity is bad too.
- Also, the times that you see in magazines are attained after beating the car a lot more than you want to do.
- 16.4 for a '99 TL is not bad at all.
- I say gate shift gets the most out of our cars, next SS and last D5.
- If you are going to leave it in D, I know on my TLS I can go about 105mph, so depending on how high (MPH) you can go in 3rd, I leave it in D3. Very few (againstallodds1 is one of the exceptions) if any TLs will do 100 mph or more on the 1/4 mile.
- Practice and learning to master you take off will improve you times. Traction is a whole different story, good tire will help a lot.

ASpec

my stock tls at the track is getting 15.274@92.3mph. I was disappointed. Car and driver said an 02 tls did 14.8

03TL_S

i ran a 14.5 with a 50 shot, and megan headers, K'N drop in, i bet i could have done better

bonknhead

How'd you do?

bigdo26

never ended up going, had some things come up

JBrian

My post from 2/21/2006 on this board:

14.93ET @ 94.07Mph for the TL-S

Since I’m in the process of building my 1971 Plymouth Duster 340 clone FAST Factory Appearing Stock Tire car, and the weather was outstanding a couple of Sundays ago; at 8:00PM it was 51 degrees, 31% humidity with a barometer reading of 30.27 making for a Density Altitude of -868, I just had to take my wife’s 2003 TL-S to the track. The car is in perfect condition with just 21,000 miles on the clock, a fresh 5W-20 Castrol SYNTEC with a Honda S2000 filter and the air filter blown out. I also topped off the tank with about 7 gallons of 93Octane.

Anyway, the weather was perfect and the track was sticking. With the VSA off I could just chirp the tires. I really wanted a 14 second time slip out of this car and after a cool down was able to produce one! The car weighted 3705Lbs with me and mostly a full tank of fuel. My horsepower calculator says 240.71RWHP using the 3705Lbs and the 94.07Mph.

R/T 60’ ¼ Mph Comments
.254 2.365 15.405 91.88 First pass in Drive stab from idle, no cool down dismal 60’ & 1/4
.003 2.294 15.089 93.13 Nice light! Manual shifting PB to 2000Rpm Dismal 60’
.162 2.305 15.058 93.18 Consistent, Manual shifting PB to 2000Rpm Dismal 60’
.069 2.345 14.933 94.07 Another nice light, Manual shifting PB to 2000Rpm after cool down

Comments:
The 60’ in an automatic TL is a joke. I was able to power brake to 2000Rpm and just chirp the tires on launch. I bet my Accord 2.4L 5-speed manual will out 60’ the TL-S! Once the car gets moving, it pulls ok and the 240.71RWHP is an outstanding number showing that Honda seems to under rate the horsepower ratings of its motors.

If we get another outstanding night with the Density Altitude below 500’, I’ll be taking my Accord to the track shooting for a 15.80ET. I can’t waiting for my Duster to be finished. I’m shooting for 11.80’s @ 119Mph.