hyunsk79

Hi guys.
I currently have 03' TL-S with /Navi. Somehow my friend who has 03' Audi A4 3.0 are saying that although A4 has less horsepower, Audi can speed up better on freeways compare to TL-S.
Does it make sense? I want to hear you guys' opinion on this. From my research, I believe since both A4 and TL is FWD and TL has more horsepower to it so TL would be a lot faster but I just want to make sure with you guys.
-Jason-

TL RULES!!!

Eternal TL2k3

the TL will win... simple as that

hyunsk79

Yeah That's what I thought but is it possible that european cars can speed up more on freeway by any chance?

this is me

Just race him and you'll know.
Somehow i got a feeling that this thread will be a 10+ page of flaming.

sundial2k

The two cars are very similar in performance. I think our TL-S is a little quicker 0-60, under 1/2 second. Most people don't realize that .5 of a second 0-60 is maybe 1/2 a car-length. I don't have the desire or patience to figure it out, but I am sure someone on this board will do it.

Unfortunately HP ratings don't relate to actual performance. My old 1994 Integra GS-R with 170HP was rated 0-60 in 6.4. That is about the same as our 260HP TL-S. My 1994 RX-7 had 255HP, and it did 0-60 in 4.9. It is all about power to weight ratio and the efficiency of the drive train.

Even though I have a 2003 TL-S, I would have preferred the A4. Audi just wasn't giving deals like Acura was, and I don't think the 3.0 A4 is worth $8000 more than the TL-S (equally equipped).

I would be interested to see the results of your race though. You should both go to the track and get a couple 1/4 mile runs in. That is a better judge of speed than just racing 0-60 down the street.

fla-tls

I agree with sundial2k. 1/4 mile times are a much better predictor of highway performance. After all, most of the run is conducted at highway+ speeds.

hemants

Short answer. No way.

TLS is faster by a mile.

sundial2k

I find it ironic that when some people own a particular car, it keeps getting better than it actually is.

As I mentioned above, I have a '03 TL-S. I would have preferred a 3.0 A4, I just didn't think it was worth the extra $$$

Here is a comparison from Car & Driver: http://caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddri...er.xml?&page=1

Not only did the Audi A4 3.0 beat our TL-S in the overall test, it was faster than the TL-S as well.

Please have all your facts before posting.

vandy786

I remember that one. They TL got snubbed again for its conservative looks.

r10apple

sundial2k
Where's the chart for the 60 and 1/4 times? I read the article, and I understand the test, but they don't list times for either car. In another section of the site, they rate the A4 nonquattro at 7.0 to 60 and 15.1 in the 1/4; the quattro avant at 7.7 to 60 and 15.5 in the 1/4...I didn't search extensively, but another Acura article listed nothing either. I've seen the Type S times elsewhere between 6.4 and 6.6 to 60, and from 14.9 to 15.2 in the 1/4...
Now I'm not an Audi basher at all-either in 4, 6 or with quattro trims, but I have NEVER seen anything, anywhere, indicating the Audi was faster than the Acura other than that article. Many of us here will tell you a chipped Audi is quite quick and can easily be modded well beyond the Type-S.
Hell, I'll even bet A418T81 will tell you stock for stock the Audi isn't as fast...
I woulda owned an A4 myself but the dealer here's service sucks and with mods, I woulda been in big trouble if something went wrong...

2K2SilverTL-S

Car and Driver: (not the recent absurd test)

TL-S: 0-60 in 6.2 sec 1/4 mile in 14.8 sec

Motor Trend:

TL-S: 0-60 in 6.3 sec 1/4 mile in 14.7 sec

Autoweek:

TL-S: 0-60 in 6.3 sec 1/4 mile in 14.8 sec

hemants

All the only published times I have seen are around 7 secs for the FWD CVT A4 3.0; and 6.3 seconds for the TLS.

So one article claimed the A4 was faster but didn't post any times.

FWIW, I own a TLS and an A4 albeit not a CVT.

"Please have all your facts before posting."

Indeed. And one fact is the original poster made no mention of CVT only FWD.

r10apple

I've driven Audi's in the last 3 months, turbo and v6--neither a quattro, and neither could outrun my TL-S...Now either could outcorner and outhandle it, but not out accelerate it at all...

Edward'TLS

The only situations the (quattro not FWD) A4 can outcorner and outhandle the TL-S are when the roads are wet or snow-covered. I don't know why. I keep thinking that people buying the A4 is because the superior quattro system. So people buying FWD A4 are just plain stupid.

hemants

Um, no. AWD is an advantage over FWD on dry pavement as well. A FWD car has to have a nose heavy weight distribution among other things.

And while I don't believe that I would buy a FWD A4, I can't say that people who do are stupid. Everyone buys an A4 for different reasons.

samkws

depends...if the A4 comes with the 6spd manual...maybe...

auto...not close...
coz the 330i beats A4...

njtls

i have this issue of car and driver....they rated the type-s at 7.8 seconds to 0-60 and 1/4 in 16 flat :wow:

but then again...the bmw is rated at 7.3, the infiniti at 7.1 and the audi at 7.2..so i think they cant drive...

2K2SilverTL-S

That TL-S in that Car and Driver issue must have had a broken actuator or something.

In a previous issue of Car and Driver, they got 0-60 in 6.2 sec and the 1/4 mile in 14.8 sec for the TL-S (which is consistent to every other magazine).

I lost all respect for Car and Driver and switched my subscription to Motor Trend after that ridiculous article.

1SICKLEX

The TL-S is swifter than a 3.0 A4. But to some of you magazine racers, You don't just use the QUICKEST time you find. Take all the times and divide them up to get an AVERAGE.

Ray_Khan

nope....while AWD helps more in wet situations, it also helps in dry as well. ...you can come out of a turn much faster with AWD. The new A4, like in the article has much better handling dynamics than the the previous. It will outhandle a TLS all day. Straight line is where the TLS is will win.

A418t81

iTrader: (1)

I'm gonna have to go w/ the TLS on this one. The new 3.0 is a nice motor, but it doesn't match the hp of the 3.2 Both cars weigh roughly the same as well. If its a CTV, it might be a decent race (the TLS will still win easily), but if the car is a quattro V6 tiptronic car, you'll rock the A4's world...

lilirish

it's ur friend so race him and find out. but it dosn't matter cause soon i will own u both. haha

r10apple

I told you he'd say it!!!

The mag said 7.8 to 60 and 16 in the 1/4? Were there 5 people and luggage on board? With a full tank of gas and in the Mohave desert? Jeez...
Oh, back to the argument, I ran into someone I kinda know Sunday and we took off around the corner from here and he was in his 1999 A4 w/ FWD...He's got exhaust and a chip and I was much quicker to accelerate from 2 traffic lights...We did hit the freeway onramp which is this 50mph huge, gradual right then left hander with an abnormally long merge ramp and I can take it at around 90...Um, he left me like I was in a Yugo on the ramp...So indeed, the A4--even his older one owN3D me...

Edward'TLS

Don't forget that although AWD car can come out of a turn much faster, the extra AWD hardware adds more weight. Two more driving wheels mean more horsepower and torque lost to the additional gears and couplings. The AWD car will end up slower to accelerate out a turn than the FWD model.

However, until someone actually tries it, there is no garantee that the extra AWD traction will offset the extra weight and extra gearing lost, and will make the AWD car faster out of a turn than a FWD car.

goldendragon576

The Audi will probably take you for the first 30mph, after that you should pull away from him. My friend has the A4 with Quatro and he always pulls off the line faster then I do. Up until about 40mph that's when I catch up, shift and launch. If your going from one red light to the next he may beat you but if your doing a 0-60 he has no chance. But the only way you'll find out is if your race him and win. G'luck!

Ray_Khan

AWD has that extra weight in the rear...which will help balance it out. AWD cars will be much more nuetral than a FWD car which WILL UNDERSTEER. So if RWD will come out of a turn faster than FWD...how do you figure a FWD will beat an AWD? AWD cars can hit WOT out of a turn earlier than a FWD can. If you get on the gas too quick in the FWD, you will really know what understeer is.

I think from your argument you are comparing 2 indentical cars (power, tires, weight dist, suspension etc, but one FWD and one AWD while I'm looking at things more generically. So in the case of the FWD vs AWD A4, if we are talking about the car at it's limits (in a hard transition turn), where traction is being pushed, the AWD car will have an advantage. But if we are talking a long sweeping turn where we aren't at the limits of traction, that might be a different story because the extra wheel hp of a FWD can be taken advantage of.

VQ35DE

samkws

aren't we talking about the FWD A4??

is300eater

Maybe the test driver was really fat

AcuraTLFan

HP doesn't mean much. What counts in Power to Weight Ratio!!!

At freeway/highway speeds...the gear ratio will play a part on how fast your car will speed up.

You will win the A4...i've raced one before and i won it, 0-60 and 0-80