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We all know OEM tires are not so good and most of RL owners have upgrade to Michellin Pilot A/S, but what do You think of Dunlop SP 5000? Tirerack have them in OEM size 245/50/17 Tx.
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Originally Posted by vp911
Personally I havn't looked into the Dunlops - if nobody here can help you - go by the ratings on tirerack - the pirelli pzero nero M&S are also great tires!
Are these types of comments directed at hard cornering and pushing the envelope on speed and so forth?
I personally do not want a "stiffer" ride, but would be interested in better wet performance (having hydroplaned a '90 Honda into 5 feet of water and noticing that my "94 Honda at speeds greater than 70 mph gets "nervous" in the wet when the Michelin MXV's are 50% worn down).
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For one, the OEM tires are terrible in snow and rain. They cause a LOT of road noise inside the vehicle and are a harsher ride than many other tires. If you switch tires, you will notice the car will become a lot quieter inside.
In 5 feet of water? Isn't that too high to drive your car? You can't move in 5 feet of water - 5 inches, you can probably make it, but not 5 feet.
In 5 feet of water? Isn't that too high to drive your car? You can't move in 5 feet of water - 5 inches, you can probably make it, but not 5 feet.
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Originally Posted by vp911
For one, the OEM tires are terrible in snow and rain. They cause a LOT of road noise inside the vehicle and are a harsher ride than many other tires. If you switch tires, you will notice the car will become a lot quieter inside.
In 5 feet of water? Isn't that too high to drive your car? You can't move in 5 feet of water - 5 inches, you can probably make it, but not 5 feet.![Dunno](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
In 5 feet of water? Isn't that too high to drive your car? You can't move in 5 feet of water - 5 inches, you can probably make it, but not 5 feet.
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Originally Posted by vp911
For one, the OEM tires are terrible in snow and rain. They cause a LOT of road noise inside the vehicle and are a harsher ride than many other tires. If you switch tires, you will notice the car will become a lot quieter inside.
In 5 feet of water? Isn't that too high to drive your car? You can't move in 5 feet of water - 5 inches, you can probably make it, but not 5 feet.![Dunno](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
In 5 feet of water? Isn't that too high to drive your car? You can't move in 5 feet of water - 5 inches, you can probably make it, but not 5 feet.
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The OEMs are loud, dont have the greatest grip/handling (they squeal like a stuck pig) and are harsh for a supposed "touring tire" and they are HORRIBLE in the snow.
I plan to upgrade mine next spring but if they really piss me off this winter (I managed with them last winter) then I may just upgrade to snows and get some 18s or something next spring.
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Originally Posted by Rob L
Agree 100% with Vik.
The OEMs are loud, dont have the greatest grip/handling (they squeal like a stuck pig) and are harsh for a supposed "touring tire" and they are HORRIBLE in the snow.
I plan to upgrade mine next spring but if they really piss me off this winter (I managed with them last winter) then I may just upgrade to snows and get some 18s or something next spring.
The OEMs are loud, dont have the greatest grip/handling (they squeal like a stuck pig) and are harsh for a supposed "touring tire" and they are HORRIBLE in the snow.
I plan to upgrade mine next spring but if they really piss me off this winter (I managed with them last winter) then I may just upgrade to snows and get some 18s or something next spring.
You are going to drive with the OEMs in Canada's snow?
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Originally Posted by bluemule
It wasn't my fault! I was doing OK until that old lady paddled out in front of me!!
I really like Honda automobiles, but can say that the 2 I've owned and put over a half million miles on, are very suspectible to hydroplaning if being driven aggressively in the wet. But I've always replaced the OEM Michelin MXV's with the same tires.
So far, with the RL, and with it being a heavier car, I've not noticed any twitchiness in the wet...but at only 13,000 miles on these tires and undergoing a drought in these parts, I've not reached the point where the tires would be tested.
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so what is the opinion on Dunlops SP 5000, every Rl owner talk only Michelin pilot sport a/s, dunlops have not bad numbers on Tirerack website, they come in OEM size and less money then michelins
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Originally Posted by slawek65
so what is the opinion on Dunlops SP 5000, every Rl owner talk only Michelin pilot sport a/s, dunlops have not bad numbers on Tirerack website, they come in OEM size and less money then michelins
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I chose the PZeroNero M&S's for my 18's primarily because of their smooth quiet ride. I'm not sure if they are available in the 17 inch size?? Sorry, I can't offer an opinion on the Dunlops since I have no experience with them nor do I know anyone who does.
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Originally Posted by hondamore
I chose the PZeroNero M&S's for my 18's primarily because of their smooth quiet ride. I'm not sure if they are available in the 17 inch size?? Sorry, I can't offer an opinion on the Dunlops since I have no experience with them nor do I know anyone who does.
I put the same Pirelli's on the 18's and man they are smooth and quiet - excellent tires. I couldn't find them for the 17' wheels either.
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Originally Posted by vp911
You are going to drive with the OEMs in Canada's snow?
That will be fun ![Wish](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wish.gif)
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hehe thankfully I live in southern Ontario so we dont get much snow like in Alberta and such.
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The absolute worst was after we had the only big snow fall of the winter with some freezing rain so the roads didnt get fully plowed and there was a packed layer of snow for like a week after it...I had my RL just decide to start skidding sideways a little bit for no reason (wasnt going fast, wasnt turning the wheel, braking, etc) but thankfully the AWD system did its job and kept the car controlled. This pissed me off because no other car around me had this issue and it was because of the crap tires.
I had a few other times where the tires lost their traction but with the AWD it is no biggie to keep the car controlled.
Useless POS tires. All season my ass.
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Originally Posted by slawek65
so what is the opinion on Dunlops SP 5000, every Rl owner talk only Michelin pilot sport a/s, dunlops have not bad numbers on Tirerack website, they come in OEM size and less money then michelins
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Originally Posted by vp911
I put the same Pirelli's on the 18's and man they are smooth and quiet - excellent tires. I couldn't find them for the 17' wheels either.
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Originally Posted by bluemule
When you guys mention OEM's are not great tires and this tire or that tire are better tires, what is the criteria? One post during the past few months mentioned that a recommended tire was "better" than OEM because he could better "feel" the road. I think I've seen a post that the "better" tires made the car ride "stiffer".
Are these types of comments directed at hard cornering and pushing the envelope on speed and so forth?
I personally do not want a "stiffer" ride, but would be interested in better wet performance (having hydroplaned a '90 Honda into 5 feet of water and noticing that my "94 Honda at speeds greater than 70 mph gets "nervous" in the wet when the Michelin MXV's are 50% worn down).
Fred
Are these types of comments directed at hard cornering and pushing the envelope on speed and so forth?
I personally do not want a "stiffer" ride, but would be interested in better wet performance (having hydroplaned a '90 Honda into 5 feet of water and noticing that my "94 Honda at speeds greater than 70 mph gets "nervous" in the wet when the Michelin MXV's are 50% worn down).
Fred
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Originally Posted by msu79gt82
Clearly a lot of folks favor the Pirelli's.
Anyone have any exoerience with the Avon Tech M550 (tirerack's top rated tire)?
Anyone have any exoerience with the Avon Tech M550 (tirerack's top rated tire)?
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Originally Posted by hondamore
I considered the Avon Tech M550 because of the Tire Rack ratings. I was a bit suspicious, however, because I believe Tire Rack is the exclusive North American dealer of the Avon tires and this may have "influenced" the subjective portions of the testing (just a gut feeling). The Pirelli's were getting such glowing reviews from members here and on other forums, that I decided to go with them and have been very very pleased. That said, I believe the Avon's are less expensive than the Pirelli's and might be worth a try.
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Originally Posted by msu79gt82
Yea I too am suspicious about the rating; but the price is right. I did some research and found out that Cooper Tire holds the US Distriution rights for Avon Tyres and that the Avon Tech M550 is a tirerack exclusive. (see Cooper Tire website).
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Originally Posted by slawek65
so what is the opinion on Dunlops SP 5000, every Rl owner talk only Michelin pilot sport a/s, dunlops have not bad numbers on Tirerack website, they come in OEM size and less money then michelins
I haven't seen anybody mention them for their RL's yet. Sorry, i can't help there. I can tell you that I had an '04 TL prior to my '05 RL and I used both the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S's and the Pirelli PZEro Nero M&S's on the car before I traded it in. Both tires were greatly superior to teh OEM tires that came on the TL. Handling, control, noise and 'feel' in wet, snow, and dry conditions were a LOT better. If I was forced to make a choice, I'd get the Pilot Sport A/S's as slightly better overall. IMHO, they are the best all season tires I've ever owned. The Pirelli's were a close second.
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Avon Tech M550 A/S
Originally Posted by msu79gt82
Clearly a lot of folks favor the Pirelli's.
Anyone have any exoerience with the Avon Tech M550 (tirerack's top rated tire)?
Anyone have any exoerience with the Avon Tech M550 (tirerack's top rated tire)?
I purchased the A-spec wheels and chose the 245/45WR18 Avons as my tires. Everything I noted in the review still holds true but after a recent rotation the noise these tires produce has become unbearable. Another side effect is some (very, very little but some) vibration transfer into the steering wheel. I checked each tires direction of rotation and they are correct so I have ruled out the possibility of them being crossmounted. Maybe I waited too long to rotate the wheels or maybe they didn't balance them properly, if at all. Possibly the alignment has been thrown out of whack. But I cannot take the droning noise that these tires produce above 45 MPH any longer.
They still ride and handle like they did on day one and the treadwear is very good. If it wasn't for the noise and the vibration I would see no reason to change my position on them. I'm going to go back to my dealer and let them take another look at them. If they cannot do anything about it I will probably buy the Pirelli PZeros or have them further investigate the problem. I can deal with the tramlining if that is the only downside of the Pirellis. But, I cannot deal with the constant wah-wah-wah of the Avons any longer.
I'm not the most knowledgable person when it comes to things like this but I think a deaf person could recognize the change in these tires after rotation. So feel free to offer your theories or troubleshooting procedures for problems like this. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by eaRL
Even though this thread goes back a few months, I would like to comment on the Avon Tech M550 A/S. I submitted a review on tirerack.com back in November. If you browse to the Avon Tech M550 A/S main page and click the Read all reviews for this tire link you can filter the review results on the left side of the page by selecting Acura and 2005 and clicking the Filter button. You will see my review somewhere in the list. I believe I have submitted the only review of this tire on an '05 RL.
I purchased the A-spec wheels and chose the 245/45WR18 Avons as my tires. Everything I noted in the review still holds true but after a recent rotation the noise these tires produce has become unbearable. Another side effect is some (very, very little but some) vibration transfer into the steering wheel. I checked each tires direction of rotation and they are correct so I have ruled out the possibility of them being crossmounted. Maybe I waited too long to rotate the wheels or maybe they didn't balance them properly, if at all. Possibly the alignment has been thrown out of whack. But I cannot take the droning noise that these tires produce above 45 MPH any longer.
They still ride and handle like they did on day one and the treadwear is very good. If it wasn't for the noise and the vibration I would see no reason to change my position on them. I'm going to go back to my dealer and let them take another look at them. If they cannot do anything about it I will probably buy the Pirelli PZeros or have them further investigate the problem. I can deal with the tramlining if that is the only downside of the Pirellis. But, I cannot deal with the constant wah-wah-wah of the Avons any longer.
I'm not the most knowledgable person when it comes to things like this but I think a deaf person could recognize the change in these tires after rotation. So feel free to offer your theories or troubleshooting procedures for problems like this. Thanks.
I purchased the A-spec wheels and chose the 245/45WR18 Avons as my tires. Everything I noted in the review still holds true but after a recent rotation the noise these tires produce has become unbearable. Another side effect is some (very, very little but some) vibration transfer into the steering wheel. I checked each tires direction of rotation and they are correct so I have ruled out the possibility of them being crossmounted. Maybe I waited too long to rotate the wheels or maybe they didn't balance them properly, if at all. Possibly the alignment has been thrown out of whack. But I cannot take the droning noise that these tires produce above 45 MPH any longer.
They still ride and handle like they did on day one and the treadwear is very good. If it wasn't for the noise and the vibration I would see no reason to change my position on them. I'm going to go back to my dealer and let them take another look at them. If they cannot do anything about it I will probably buy the Pirelli PZeros or have them further investigate the problem. I can deal with the tramlining if that is the only downside of the Pirellis. But, I cannot deal with the constant wah-wah-wah of the Avons any longer.
I'm not the most knowledgable person when it comes to things like this but I think a deaf person could recognize the change in these tires after rotation. So feel free to offer your theories or troubleshooting procedures for problems like this. Thanks.
After observing my PZero Neros on my '05RL, after 26,000 miles I can report to you that the wear is pretty much even on all four tires, and they are still almost . . and I repeat, almost . . as quiet as they were on day one. I am not going to rotate them and I suspect they will all wear pretty much evenly until the end.
Advice? Install PZero Neros and do not rotate until the end.
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Originally Posted by 1HOT NSX
Most tires I've had over the years increase the noise level as they wear, some of them becoming unbearable. I can think of a set of Bridgestone Potenza S0-3 I had on my 2000RL that did this. Also, rotating the tires brings for the most part the shimmy in front due to balancing or who knows what. I used to rotate the tires for all the obvious reasons advertised everywhere, however, I don't do it anymore.
After observing my PZero Neros on my '05RL, after 26,000 miles I can report to you that the wear is pretty much even on all four tires, and they are still almost . . and I repeat, almost . . as quiet as they were on day one. I am not going to rotate them and I suspect they will all wear pretty much evenly until the end.
Advice? Install PZero Neros and do not rotate until the end.
After observing my PZero Neros on my '05RL, after 26,000 miles I can report to you that the wear is pretty much even on all four tires, and they are still almost . . and I repeat, almost . . as quiet as they were on day one. I am not going to rotate them and I suspect they will all wear pretty much evenly until the end.
Advice? Install PZero Neros and do not rotate until the end.
A couple of years ago I was working a lot of hours consulting. I was driving my 03 RSX-S and I was not able to get to the dealer to get the tires rotated on a regular basis. When I did get around to it they told me it would be better to just leave them as is because they did not really look like they needed it. So I thought 'the hell with it, I'm trading in this car in another month or two anyway'. I think I should have followed that mantra here.
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The verdict on the Avons is they are cupping. On closer inspection I can see it on the outer edge of the tires. Once the tires were rotated back to their original positions the noise was probably 10% of what is was after having them rotated. The explanation given to me was directional tires will do this sometimes.
I was looking at some (new?) Yokohamas on tirerack.com, the Advan S.4. Anyone have an opinion on this tire or Yokos in general. I put Geolanders on my wife's Element, she logs 3-4 miles a month and she is very happy with them but that's my only experience with Yokohamas. Thanks.
I was looking at some (new?) Yokohamas on tirerack.com, the Advan S.4. Anyone have an opinion on this tire or Yokos in general. I put Geolanders on my wife's Element, she logs 3-4 miles a month and she is very happy with them but that's my only experience with Yokohamas. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by eaRL
. . . . . Anyone have an opinion on this tire or Yokos in general. . . .
I think both Yokos and Michelins are harsh riding tires but they give you great performance and perhaps higher handling limits.
I said it before and I'm still convinced that the best tire for the '05''06 RL is the Pirelli PZero Nero M+S.
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Originally Posted by 1HOT NSX
My only experience with Yokos is with the OEM tires that came with my NSX (I went through 2 sets before I switched) and with Yokos I had OEM in a new CRX I bought in '86. They were both very sticky tires. The OEM Yokos on my NSX lasted 10K miles because of their 120 wear rating but they are designed for the car and in spite of the wear rating they gave it the best performance in terms of handling and straight line stability at speeds over 120.
I think both Yokos and Michelins are harsh riding tires but they give you great performance and perhaps higher handling limits.
I said it before and I'm still convinced that the best tire for the '05''06 RL is the Pirelli PZero Nero M+S.
I think both Yokos and Michelins are harsh riding tires but they give you great performance and perhaps higher handling limits.
I said it before and I'm still convinced that the best tire for the '05''06 RL is the Pirelli PZero Nero M+S.
I've narrowed it to the Yokohama or the Pirelli. Noting that the PZero Nero has a lot of review miles logged on tirerack (7,434,513) and the Yoko has none I'll probably go with the Pirellis.
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Originally Posted by eaRL
Thanks for the reply. The wear rating is another thing I have started looking at also. The wear rating on the Avon tire is 360, the Yoko Advan S.4 is 400. The Pirelli PZero Nero M&S is 400 as well. The Avons are also pretty heavy, 31lb. per tire versus 28lb. for the Pirelli or the Yoko and 26lb. for the OEM recommended Michelin Pilot Sport.
I've narrowed it to the Yokohama or the Pirelli. Noting that the PZero Nero has a lot of review miles logged on tirerack (7,434,513) and the Yoko has none I'll probably go with the Pirellis.
I've narrowed it to the Yokohama or the Pirelli. Noting that the PZero Nero has a lot of review miles logged on tirerack (7,434,513) and the Yoko has none I'll probably go with the Pirellis.
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Originally Posted by slawek65
We all know OEM tires are not so good and most of RL owners have upgrade to Michellin Pilot A/S, but what do You think of Dunlop SP 5000? Tirerack have them in OEM size 245/50/17 Tx.
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