Jack Mosca

07 RL pax 22,000 miles. At Discount tire this morning having tires rotated and spin balanced. Plenty of tread left but discover bent rim. Bent rim had been on front and I could barely feel it when taking off - now it's on the rear and cannot feel a thing. I plan on de paxing but felt I had 3 years - 10,000 miles a year - left on them. We travel on S Cal freeways every week - 80 MPH - and have not felt any vibration with bent rim being on front - how dangerous is this?

Discount tire mgr suggests 17" wheels - they offer more choices and better pricing. Thoughts?

oo7spy

If Discount moved it and let you drive away, you're fine. They won't touch anything they could be liable for. As for wheel size, it's all personal preference. I think 19" without a lip or 20" with a lip look the best. 17-18" will feel the best. It's all in what you want.

HEAVY_RL

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If there were no cracks and you cannot feel it ride on.

Jack Mosca

My best option is getting someone to give me their old pax wheel, from this site they seem useless, my tire is good, will need labor and gel pack. Getting price tomorrow from last remaining Discount Tire in San Diego. Also calling Michelin in the morning to ascertain information on the pax system's inners causing the vibration...... thoughts?

HEAVY_RL

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Vibration?

I thought you said you couldnt feel it?

Jack Mosca

Heavy - spy - chas 2 this should be an easy one for you knowledgeable RL pros:
What is the part # for my 07 RL Pax wheel? Thanks in advance

HEAVY_RL

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http://www.oemacuraparts.com/parts-c...sis/wheel-disk

Chas2

heavy has the answer.

so just out of curiosity, the new wheel is $500, so what does a salvage yard look like?

Jack Mosca

I am de paxing - need advice on lug seat styles - I am going to purchase OEM 18" wheels - preference of 2011 - 2013 oem wheels. My Pax are ball seat - what styles lugs required from 11 - 13? I have an RL spare tire and assembly - what seat style does that require? The spare came off my son's 06 RL with 17" tires - will that work with 18s? Will that size difference foul up the computer?

BDoggPrelude

I'm pretty sure everything else has mag/shank style lugs. I may be wrong about that but I know all A-Spec wheels do as well as the 05-08 17" OEM wheels. Furthermore, the temp spare uses a mag/shank style lug and I don't think they changed that for the entire 05-12 RL...meaning if the spare uses those kinds of lugs, the wheels on the car would have to as well.

Again, the spare did not change for the entire 2G RL and neither did the overall tire diameter. A 245/50R17 and 245/45R18 have the exact same outer diameter.

BDoggPrelude

Also, before you go start ordering lugs from Acura at $5 a pop, there are eBay vendors that sell entire sets for like $26 shipped:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-Factory-Honda-Acura-Style-Wheel-Lug-Nuts-M14x1-5-22mm-Hex-OE-OEM-Stock-/400501184051?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3AAcura&hash=item5d3fbb1633&vxp=mtr

Jack Mosca

De Paxing and intend to buy OEM - 09 - 13 wheels. My 07 RL TPMS has a different oem part # than do the 09 - 13s TPMS. The set of 12s I am considering purchasing have the factory TPMS included - will they work on my 07? Can my local Discount Tire store that is not equipted to work on PAX tires remove the PAX tires from the wheel to save the TPMS sensors?

oo7spy

You can't salvage TMPS sensors from what I understand, but don't worry about doing that. The RL has the ability to learn TMPS sensors automatically, so you will be fine.

BDoggPrelude

I just checked through my database and I don't think the 2011 sensors are compatible with your 2007. The two cars use entirely different aftermarket sensors from each other.

The sensors in your PAX wheels can be reused. I've done it many times with customer vehicles. Most likely, your local Discount shop will not have a PAX machine as they are expensive to maintain and rarely used. They can cut holes in the tire sidewalls to remove the sensors without dismounting the tires. This will leave the tires unusable but will save you from having to buy new sensors.

Megatron

The 2009+ RL TPMS sensors are not compatible with the 2005-2008. Thus, your car will not be able to "relearn" sensors from the new wheels.

As for removing the ones from your existing PAX tires, you are better off just buying new ones. Unless your discount tire store has PAX equipment, they will not be able to properly dismount the tire. All they can do is cut the tire apart to get to the sensors. Also, inside the PAX tires is gel. That stuff is all over in the space between the wheel and tire... it's nasty gooey, dirty, sticky, etc. You will not be easily removing that from the sensors and you don't want to put sticky gooey sensors in your non-pax wheels anyways.

I considered all of this when I was depaxing my RL also. That's why I know the details so well. When I factored in removing and tossing the sensors in the 2009+ wheels and then buying and re-adding new sensors into those wheels, I just bought A-SPEC wheels instead. One less step and no leftover sensors to worry about.

Hope this helps...

oo7spy

Well, I was wrong on all accounts. I'll go sit in the corner now.

Jack Mosca

In 2010 Chas 2 posted the procedure for resetting the pax warning system but it only covers RLs - 05 -06. I am about to De Pax my 07 - for those of you who have De Paxed with an 07 or newer did the warning appear on the MID? Will an Acura dealer remove it?

BDoggPrelude

The warning will only come on with a significantly under inflated tire. Everything else is normal.

Jack Mosca

Decided to de pax with OEM wheels. Company is All Factory Wheels online - great web site - What looks like an ASPEC wheel - part #08w18sja200a - claims the offset is 45MM - will my 07 RL accept a 45MM wheel? Or is it a typo?

New to online purchasing - they claim the condition is alloy refinished.?? What should I pay for chrome?

BDoggPrelude

It will fit a +45 no problem. Could be a typo. I thought the A-Specs were +55 but I could be wrong. I would make sure they are the RL specific A-Spec wheels with a 5-120 bolt pattern. The 3G TL A-Spec wheels are 18x8 +45 but are a 5-114.3 bolt pattern that will not fit the RL.

As for pricing, I sold my black chrome look A-Specs with TPMS sensors and nearly brand new tires for like $850. Two of them needed to be reconditioned.

oo7spy

Call them and talk to them. They have the TL wheels pictured, and then there's this.
EDIT: Actually, I can't tell a difference between the TL and RL Aspec wheels when they are painted.

RL:


TL:

Jack Mosca

American Racing makes a wheel I like - however the offset is 40 - backspacing is 6.06 - bolt pattern - 5 - 120 - tire size 245/45-18. What does the tire installer do to compensate for the lack of offset? Is it detrimental to the cars performance not having an oem spec wheel?

oo7spy

The offset is simply how far the outside of the wheel is from the bore based on a center line.



Having a different offset will generally not affect performance, especially if the wheels fit in the wheel wells and don't rub. If the wheel fits, there is no compensation.

Jack Mosca

Nitto makes a tire for our RLs called the Motivo - all the right numbers, inexpensive and 60,000 warranty. What do you know about them?

BDoggPrelude

I got a free set of them for the wife's TL when they were running their pre-production consumer testing program. They're okay. Not really terrible at anything and not really good at anything either. There are worse tires out there for sure.

NBP04TL4ME

Wouldn't be my first choice. I tend to spend a little more on tires as they are the only thing connecting the car to the road.

BDoggPrelude

Let's put it this way, I was glad they were free. I ran them on the TL for one summer and sold them for like $300.

Max Effort

Like 007 says, the offset tolerances for the RL are pretty broad ranging. OEM spec is +55mm but you can go down to about +40mm on a 8" wheel without rubbing issues.


Keep in mind that if you increase width to say an 8.5" or 9" wheel, you have to adjust offset accordingly (Wider the wheel, the higher the offset) For example I ran an 18 x8" wheel with a +40 offset and switch to an 18 x8.5" wheel and went up to a +45mm offset to compensate and prevent rubbing.


Also try to find a wheel that will either custom match your center bore (64.1mm) or at least provide an quality aluminum hub centering ring for best fit.

BDoggPrelude

I have 9" wide wheels with a +35 offset and they rub very slightly in the rear under extreme conditions...and that's only because I have over-sized tires. I would be willing to bet that 2/3rds of the RL members on this forum with aftermarket wheels are running a +35 offset and have no rubbing issues. An 18x8 wheel with a 245/45R18 tire can probably go anywhere from a +60 to a +25 offset with no rubbing issues whatsoever on our cars.

Jack Mosca

BDOGGPrelude - looking for advice - My Pax tires have 40K still look new and well taken care of at American Tire (aka Discount Tire) her in S Cal. I want to purchase a set of wheels in advance of getting stuck when they expire. TSW - Ron John and American Racing Wheels interest me. I want to stay with 18s. I like the TSW Bardo - Ron John Stryfe - and American Racing Maverick. All are 18s with correct bolt pattern - however three different offsets - TSW +35 - Ron John +38 and American Racing with +40. How will those numbers effect the car and how important is having the centerbore at the correct RL size? I am 68 don't race but drive at time's 90 plus on the freeways. Love the car, only drive 12M a year - want the tire/wheel combination to be the best for saftey - not racing.

BDoggPrelude

I wouldn't worry about the center bore part of it. Hubcentric rings will take care of the gap between the hub and the bore of the wheel. 95% of aftermarket wheels are not hubcentric and require hubcentric rings with no adverse effects.

American Racing Maverick - I would take this wheel off your list unless you are absolutely married to the aesthetic design. The TSW and RonJon wheels are going to be in a completely different league in terms of quality. It is also a very old design and you will see them on tons of cars on the road from Civics to Mustangs.

RonJon Stryfe - I like the design of this wheel. I had kicked around the idea of putting them on my wife's TL since she likes the stock wheels and they look like an 18" version of the 07-08 base model TL wheels. That said, they kind of look like stock wheels. If that is what you are looking for, it's probably a good choice. If you want something that is going to set your car apart from the crowd and won't be mistaken for stock wheels, you might not want to do these. The nice thing about RonJon wheels is that they are made specifically for Honda/Acura vehicles and fit without the need for hub rings. The bad thing about them is they are pricey for what you get IMO. They are of no higher quality than the average cast alloy wheel from name brand companies that offer less expensive options. I have also seen questionable quality control issues and customer service cited by members on this board in the past. I have never personally dealt with them. My company is not a vendor for RonJon wheels so I would be pretty hard pressed to by a set of their wheels at full retail MSRP when I can get almost any other wheel on the planet at direct cost from the manufacturer.

TSW Bardo - Yes, I may be a little biased toward TSW. I have had 2 sets of their wheels already on my RL and have never had issues. I have also sold tons of their wheels to customers without any issues. TSW makes a very high quality product at a competitive price. Yes, you will need to use the hubcentric rings TSW provides with every set of their wheels. Like I said above, in my experience, there are no issues with this setup as opposed to having hubcentric wheels. The Bardo is a nice looking wheel but, since you were already delving into RonJon pricing, I'd recommend looking at some of their Rotary Forged wheels. The Rotary forged wheels will be a little bit more expensive, (still about the same price as the RonJon wheels), but will be a lighter and stronger wheel than any other regular cast alloy wheel out there.

As for the offsets. I wouldn't worry about it. I'm assuming you're looking at 18" wheels. An 18x8 with a +35 offset is pretty standard fitment on our cars. Most members around here are running the same offset. It will bring the wheel about 3/4" closer to the fenders compared to the OEM wheels. With a 245/45R18 tire you will have no issues with clearance. It will be a more aggressive stance than the OEM setup but this will be true of any aftermarket wheel. Wheel companies just don't make wheels with +55 offsets because they will fit such a small range of vehicles. Lower offset wheels are less likely to interfere with suspension components and allow them to be fit to a broader range of vehicles.

Hope this helps you out. Let us know what you decide and don't forget to post pictures of the new shoes. Are you planning on buying them from America's Tire?

Jack Mosca

BDoggPrelude - thank you very much for the advice. I have been living in Scottsdale Az for the past 43 years - lived just North of Discount Tire Corp Hdq....what a company - we ran a fleet of sales cars and only dealt with Discount - the service here in S Cal is just as good as what I received in Az - great company. I assume you work for them? - cudo's to you and a sincere thank you for the reply. Will I be able to get a rotary forged wheel fromTSW in 18s? Chrome? Sincerely Jack

Jack Mosca

BDOGGPrelude - no mention of offset on these wheels - all 18s - 5/120 bolt pattern TSW
Interlogos - Brado - and Brooklands. Will call America tire tomorrow on price and availability. Again Thank you....Jack

BDoggPrelude

Yes, I work for Discount. Glad you are happy with your experience with us.

All of those wheels will likely be a +35 offset. They do not make any of their Rotary Forged wheels in chrome. The chrome plating adds weight. BTW, you can check availability yourself on TSW's website:

http://www.tsw.com/dealers-inventory.php

BDoggPrelude

In fact, here is the availability of all TSW's 18x8 +35 wheels:

Inventory Lookup

Unfortunately, the Bardo in chrome is not available anywhere.

The Interlagos is a VERY NICE wheel. I put a set of them on a friend's WRX.

BDoggPrelude

Only 18x8 +35 wheels in chrome:

Inventory Lookup

The Rockingham would look pretty nice.

Jack Mosca

BDoggPrelude - your response is indicative of a Discount Tire representative - I will get off the chrome and purchase either Interlagos or Brooklands (not much difference in pricing is the rotary forged worth the slight extra price?) Tires - I always purchase Michelin - considering their new Premier tire or the Primacy MXM$ - thoughts?

Again a sincere thank you for advice and knowledge. Jack

Jack Mosca

BDoggPrelude - one more - novice on all this information - My RL is an 07 - when I put that year in the fitment requirement is only allows me to purchase 17s - will the Interlagos by TSW in 18s fit my car? Thank you Jack

BDoggPrelude

Thank you, Jack. I appreciate that.

The Rotary Forged wheels are WELL worth their added cost. Much lighter and much stronger. The 18" Interlagos should fit no problem. Just have your local America's Tire call TSW to verify fitment. In my experience with TSW wheels, almost all of their lineup are designed to fit bigger brake calipers. I would be shocked if they say they don't fit. Have your salesman ask for Auggie when he calls TSW. He is my go to guy at TSW and has never steered me wrong.

As for tires, you can't go wrong with Michelin. Skip the MXM4. Old design and on its way out the door. Go with the Premier A/S, Pilot A/S3 or the Pilot Super Sport. Personally, I would recommend the Super Sport if the car is not going to ever see snow. I'm happy to be in my last few weeks of Continental DW ownership before snow hits and my winter setup goes on. Next spring I will be replacing them with Pilot Super Sports. I wanted to get the Super Sports back when I first got my 20's but my wife and I had a baby on the way, I was also buying wheels at the same time and the DW's were 1/2 the price of newly released Super Sports. I just couldn't justify the extra ~$600 in cost when I was already spending a couple grand.

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22.5 lbs, hubcentric, caliper clearance guarenteed and fender clearance even when lowered.

RonJon Rev wheel: