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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 03:21 PM
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Fender Roll Mandatory?

Before I get stuck and can't drive my car this weekend, I wanted to know if I have to roll my fenders on the RL for my set-up. Installing suspension and wheels tomorrow.

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Roderick RW3 19x8 +38 245/35/19

Would love not to pay the $150 to roll them either! :-)
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 09:10 PM
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Hard to say once it's lowered but it should be fine. What is with you guys and all running the wrong size tires? Once again, every tire made in a 245/35R19 falls short of the OEM load rating specifications...some by a lot. Why not just do it right with a 245/40R19?

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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 09:14 PM
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Because he thinks the wheels won't fit without rubbing so he is running a smaller tire and asking if he should do more like roll the fenders.

Made sense to me.

Op.. 19x8 +38 will fit on my 2013 ILX so I'd be confused if it wouldn't fit your larger RL.

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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by usdmJON
Because he thinks the wheels won't fit without rubbing so he is running a smaller tire and asking if he should do more like roll the fenders.

Made sense to me.

Op.. 19x8 +38 will fit on my 2013 ILX so I'd be confused if it wouldn't fit your larger RL.
Running an 89-93 load rated tire on a car that comes with a 96-98 load rating makes sense to you?
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 10:44 PM
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No I'm saying you asked why people run the wrong size. I told you why.

Given the correct circumstances it makes sense.
Understand that a good majority of tuners or anyone changing wheels often times switches to a lower profile tire often having a lower than stock load rate.

I work truck being constantly fully loaded. Makes no sense going with a lower load rating.

A passenger car that only ever sees at max an additional 400lbs it's not as big of a deal.

The load rating is set for the fully loaded RL with some margin for safety.
It's just not that big of a deal dropped from a 40 to 35. It happens everyday.
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 10:45 PM
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Brian, no. Using an inappropriate solution to fixable problem made sense to him.


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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 10:48 PM
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I don't believe I supplied a solution. I just explained why one would want to run a smaller tire and gave the op an answer to his question.

Honestly chances are the stock set up would fit with the drop and there isn't even a need for smaller tires.
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by usdmJON
...A passenger car that only ever sees at max an additional 400lbs it's not as big of a deal.

The load rating is set for the fully loaded RL with some margin for safety.
It's just not that big of a deal dropped from a 40 to 35. It happens everyday.
Dropping up to 374lbs/tire of load rating on a 4,000lb vehicle is not a big deal? Lol. It's not an Acura Civic/ILX. I've run the numbers for a couple of different people on this forum and just how little headroom they are leaving themselves in terms of the max rating for certain tires and the weight at each corner of the vehicle. I think from now on I'm just going to sit back and let nature take its course.

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Honestly chances are the stock set up would fit with the drop and there isn't even a need for smaller tires.
It probably will. In fact, I can almost guarantee a 245/40R19 would fit just fine with +38 offset and a drop. Back in the day RL owners did lower their cars and did run proper wheel/tire setups. Seems like as the RL gets cheaper and cheaper in the secondhand market we are getting more and more members on here that are just cutting corners instead of doing shit the right way.
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BDoggPrelude
Dropping up to 374lbs/tire of load rating on a 4,000lb vehicle is not a big deal? Lol. It's not an Acura Civic/ILX. I've run the numbers for a couple of different people on this forum and just how little headroom they are leaving themselves in terms of the max rating for certain tires and the weight at each corner of the vehicle. I think from now on I'm just going to sit back and let nature take its course.
Well I mean.. I assume Acura has left you guys room for error.
So if oem spec tires are qualified to hold 4000 Id figure they can in reality hold more under the proper conditions. Id venture to say if your tires were maxed out at 4000 and a 300lbs dude got in you would be fine.

Regardless if that is correct or not.. if you know fact you never drive people around and you never have a full trunk.... and there is no way in hell you have both going on at the same time than you can have confidence youll never bring those tires to their load threshold or anywhere near it.

I am not condoning this... I am just saying I dont think it is a life or death decision being made here. Though the OP should definitely keep in mind he has altered the load rating if he doesnt stick to spec.

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It probably will. In fact, I can almost guarantee a 245/40R19 would fit just fine with +38 offset and a drop. Back in the day RL owners did lower their cars and did run proper wheel/tire setups. Seems like as the RL gets cheaper and cheaper in the secondhand market we are getting more and more members on here that are just cutting corners instead of doing shit the right way.

I would imagine so. My car is far smaller and people are running wider wheels with lower offset without any fender work.

I for one have no issues with a good size tire and Id rather a functional ride height myself but to each their own.

Im not sure exactly whom you are speaking about. But if we are talking about improper tire size than I assume we are talking about the Stance and VIP crowd.
It would be very wrong to claim these guys cut corners. They arent buying smaller tires because they are cheaper. They are running smaller tires they must replace more often than you often on wheels worth twice as much as yours. Sure some may cut corners, but in general I wouldnt claim guys rocking low profile tires or lower load rating tires are doing so for the health of their wallets.
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 11:59 PM
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Does 133lbs of room between the combined maximum load capacity of the front two tires and the static weight sitting on the front axle sound safe to you? Hopefully the OP weighs under 133lbs or the tires are loaded over their maximum capacity with just the driver in the car. Hopefully the car is also never going to see any braking, turning or anything else that could possibly transfer more weight to the front or side to side.
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Old Apr 25, 2014 | 12:18 AM
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Whoa whoa my bad. I read a 378lbs difference, not 378lbs PER TIRE. Damn that is a big difference.

OP.. buy better tires.
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Old Apr 25, 2014 | 06:16 AM
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That's great!!! Just something else to pissed off about. I f ordered 40 series and the rim place here told me I needed 35's instead and so did tire rack. So refused the delivery and ordered the 35s. They are mounted and balanced now, so thats the end of that.
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Old Apr 25, 2014 | 07:19 AM
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Mounted tires can be returned as long as the haven't been driven on. Mounted wheels cannot. What tires are they?
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Old Apr 25, 2014 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Black_dc2
That's great!!! Just something else to pissed off about. I f ordered 40 series and the rim place here told me I needed 35's instead and so did tire rack. So refused the delivery and ordered the 35s. They are mounted and balanced now, so thats the end of that.
Go back to whoever made that recommendation and ordered your tires for you. Show them the math and propose two options. They can fix their bad advice. Or, they can wait for your tire to blow, and you will send them the liability settlement.
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Old Apr 25, 2014 | 12:32 PM
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At this point, I don't care. I've gone through so much shit, I'm not waiting another week and half for 40 series tires. This is my weekend car, thats it. It's happening right the hell now. I'll post pics after.

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Old Apr 25, 2014 | 05:49 PM
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Old Apr 25, 2014 | 05:51 PM
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I could fit a 40 series, but oh well. I did find 2 255/40/19 in my warehouse, I guess I could order 2 more. Will 255 be too wide of a tire?
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Old Apr 25, 2014 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Black_dc2
I could fit a 40 series, but oh well. I did find 2 255/40/19 in my warehouse, I guess I could order 2 more. Will 255 be too wide of a tire?
I have 255/35/20's on 9" +35 wheels and they rub a little in the rear. Same overall diameter as a 255/40/19 but my wheels also go 16mm further to the fenders than yours.
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