"Wind" noise - possible solution
10-16-2006 | 12:58 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by kmcheney
Well, I also went out and checked my 06 RL last night in the garage. No grommet in any of the 4 squarish tie down holes. I notice that others are reporting the same thing. Did Acura stop doing this for 06 or are all of these dealers just lazy/sloppy as can be? 
I kinda figure the make-ready guys are just chucking the little bags of grommets rather than putting them on the cars.
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10-16-2006 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GoHawks
Can someone post pictures of where the grommets are supposed to be?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...SB04-028_3.jpg
10-16-2006 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by lsbuffs
10-17-2006 | 01:01 PM
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Got mine today
Well, I got my grommets today. The dealer's service guys didn't seem to have a clue what I was talking about, but thanks to this forum I was able to produce a printed copy of Acura Service Bulletin 04-028 describing the whole thing.
Spent longer at the dealer than I should have, but at least I got free wash job out of it. Thanks again to AZ for bringing this to my attention.
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Spent longer at the dealer than I should have, but at least I got free wash job out of it. Thanks again to AZ for bringing this to my attention.
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10-17-2006 | 05:05 PM
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Ignorance was bliss.....
Originally Posted by lsbuffs
I'm about to go on a longish trip to that big city in Nevada where you can play cards and such for money, which will be my first real freeway voyage in the RL. I don't want any mysterious wind noise on my first road trip.
My local dealer isn't the one that my RL came from (it came via a broker/buyer at my Credit Union), so it could be a little awkward asking for them to replace the grommets if they're missing.
Rob144
10-17-2006 | 07:04 PM
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Well, the two rear grommets are in place, and I can't see the place where the front ones go, so I'm going to trust that they're all there.
I found a new feature that I'll also post elsewhere -- if you press and hold the CH+/- button on the steering wheel while playing a CD, the disc will change.
Rob144
I found a new feature that I'll also post elsewhere -- if you press and hold the CH+/- button on the steering wheel while playing a CD, the disc will change.
Rob144
10-19-2006 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ernie Golfs
I just read this thread. I went out and check the 05 RL. All four are in place. I'll check the 06 TL when my wife gets home.
In the front, there are similar (although smaller) holes, but they appear to be plugged on mine.
I'll be interested in hearing what you find in the TL.
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10-19-2006 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike_TX
Interesting you mention the TL. I too have an '06 TL, and there are 2 tiedown holes in the rear of the TL that look like the RL's. On my TL, the holes were NOT plugged.
In the front, there are similar (although smaller) holes, but they appear to be plugged on mine.
I'll be interested in hearing what you find in the TL.
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In the front, there are similar (although smaller) holes, but they appear to be plugged on mine.
I'll be interested in hearing what you find in the TL.
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10-23-2006 | 10:46 PM
#54
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Originally Posted by lindros2
I have the same issue - originally thought it might be due to tint but that's not the case. Almost sounds like something thin flapping inside of the door frame.
Has anyone diagnosed or resolved this one?
Rob144
10-24-2006 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob144
I just completed a 2-day 600 mile road trip, and heard this exact sound whenever I got around 80 mph. It sounds like a rustling sound, almost as if there's a loose leaf fluttering. It seems to be coming from inside the driver's side door, but it is hard to pinpoint the source.
Has anyone diagnosed or resolved this one?
Rob144
Has anyone diagnosed or resolved this one?
Rob144
10-24-2006 | 10:59 PM
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I have the same noise. When I first got the car there was a small piece of clear plastic sticking out between the door panel and the door. I removed it but the "fluttering" noise is still there at speed. I am wondering if some of the protective plastic gets stuck inside the door when the dealer removes the plastic during prep. Has anyone actually removed the panel and looked inside?
10-25-2006 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ry4an
I just had the grommets put in at my dealership. They said they don't usually put them in because when they're in place water can't drain and the frame will rust out from the inside. Sounds highly suspicious.
10-25-2006 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dwboston
Sounds dubious. There are other round holes close to the oval grommet holes where water could drain. Typical dealer BS.
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11-06-2006 | 07:45 AM
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Question on Rubber Door Seal - 2005 RL
While examining the rubber door seal to see if there were any imperfections that could be causing the driver door wind noise I noticed something odd about the rubber seal that runs along the bottom horizontal surface of the door. The seal on that part of the door appears to be attached in spots with noticeable gaps in between, whereas the seal around the rest of the door is attached everywhere. This appears to be the way the seal was installed at the factory. Is this normal? Is this the same for the 2006 RL's as well? Thanks.
11-06-2006 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dwboston
While examining the rubber door seal to see if there were any imperfections that could be causing the driver door wind noise I noticed something odd about the rubber seal that runs along the bottom horizontal surface of the door. The seal on that part of the door appears to be attached in spots with noticeable gaps in between, whereas the seal around the rest of the door is attached everywhere. This appears to be the way the seal was installed at the factory. Is this normal? Is this the same for the 2006 RL's as well? Thanks.
Rob144
03-10-2007 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike_TX
And unless I'm mistaken (correct me if I am), the tiedown holes are in aluminum parts, so rust isn't an issue. I recall them being in silvery-colored metal parts when last I was under there.
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The aluminum weakens and deteriorates.
03-10-2007 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sotiri
incorrect, aluminum does rust. Its not rust in the conventional sense, but exposed aluminum turns blackish, and its a form of oxidation.
The aluminum weakens and deteriorates.
The aluminum weakens and deteriorates.
In the first place, I said it doesn't rust, and that is correct. Rust refers to iron and steel oxidation.
And while aluminum does oxidize, it doesn't deteriorate from it ... quite the contrary. See this link (which is representative): Aluminum doesn't rust
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03-10-2007 | 10:48 PM
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oxidized aluminum cant be painted or altered.
It cant be welded either. So, to make a change to oxidized aluminum, you must remove the oxidation, which is to remove aluminum, that thins the aluminum, and that weakens the aluminum's strength.
In the matter of the grommets, its not important.
But as the body is, its important to know.
It cant be welded either. So, to make a change to oxidized aluminum, you must remove the oxidation, which is to remove aluminum, that thins the aluminum, and that weakens the aluminum's strength.
In the matter of the grommets, its not important.
But as the body is, its important to know.
03-11-2007 | 02:45 PM
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Grommets for 2006?
Originally Posted by sotiri
the grommets are supposed to be installed as per the PDI Acura says.
The specific reason is- if not a hard to diagnose wind noise can occur.
The specific reason is- if not a hard to diagnose wind noise can occur.
2006 RL White @ San Antonio
03-12-2007 | 12:02 AM
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The plugs are all installed on my RL, and I have the "fluttering" noise. There probably wouldn't be a TSB -- they are supposed to install the plugs as part of dealer prep.
I still can't pinpoint it, and have been reluctant to complain to the dealer about it. It sounds like something fluttering inside the door panel, but I can't see any path for wind to get in there and cause something to wiggle about.
I've tried folding in the side-view mirror on the thought that is just turbulent air, but that didn't change anything. There must be some path for air, or some pressure differential that is responsible.
It's a mystery.
Rob144
I still can't pinpoint it, and have been reluctant to complain to the dealer about it. It sounds like something fluttering inside the door panel, but I can't see any path for wind to get in there and cause something to wiggle about.
I've tried folding in the side-view mirror on the thought that is just turbulent air, but that didn't change anything. There must be some path for air, or some pressure differential that is responsible.
It's a mystery.
Rob144
03-12-2007 | 06:36 AM
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Rob144,
I have this fluttering noise with my RSX-S. Dealer has heard it but has yet to be able to find the cause. Sounds like the plastic liner/moisture barrier inside the door is flapping.
I have this fluttering noise with my RSX-S. Dealer has heard it but has yet to be able to find the cause. Sounds like the plastic liner/moisture barrier inside the door is flapping.
03-13-2007 | 10:09 AM
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wind noise
YUP!!! comes and goes with speed, usually kicks in around 75-80mph I believe. Sick of it. After over a year I've given up hope of a solution. The Dealer. of course, is clueless about this. 
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Also have a maddening rattling noise from under dash (maybe?) that won't go away.
\Also have a maddening rattling noise from under dash (maybe?) that won't go away.
03-15-2007 | 06:22 AM
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Can someone possibly post a photograph of where we are supposed to look for these grommets? Or at least a better description of where there are (i.e. x inches from rear wheel or something like that)? Thanks.
03-15-2007 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bluemule
Well, shortly making the above post and before cranking up, I found a piece of plastic to lie on, a mirror and flashlight, and found the locations for the grommets...none were installed. So, I installed the ones that I found in the trunk in June.
Unless I discover differently later when some of my head stuffiness clears up, I believe that the wind rustling noise I've been hearing since June, 2005, coming from the left side of the car has been virtually eliminated...I may have heard a slight rustling type wind noise like I'm accustomed to hearing at around 85mph but it was barely noticeable and not sustained.
What I do notice now is a slight wind noise coming from the rear window behind my head, which I'm consider to be normal.
Immediately adjoining the grommet positions at each of the rear wheel locations, are two (2) small round holes...mine have nothing in them. Now I'm wondering whether these should also be plugged.
I installed the grommets dry and checked them again tonight and adjusted them slightly so that they all look to be firmly in and the sealing lip is located ok. A better approach might be to clean the openings with a cloth and put lubricant on the plugs so that they install easier...I had to force them in this morning...I was in a hurry to get to work and didn't want to mess with any wd40 or the like.
Unless I discover differently later when some of my head stuffiness clears up, I believe that the wind rustling noise I've been hearing since June, 2005, coming from the left side of the car has been virtually eliminated...I may have heard a slight rustling type wind noise like I'm accustomed to hearing at around 85mph but it was barely noticeable and not sustained.
What I do notice now is a slight wind noise coming from the rear window behind my head, which I'm consider to be normal.
Immediately adjoining the grommet positions at each of the rear wheel locations, are two (2) small round holes...mine have nothing in them. Now I'm wondering whether these should also be plugged.
I installed the grommets dry and checked them again tonight and adjusted them slightly so that they all look to be firmly in and the sealing lip is located ok. A better approach might be to clean the openings with a cloth and put lubricant on the plugs so that they install easier...I had to force them in this morning...I was in a hurry to get to work and didn't want to mess with any wd40 or the like.
Maybe y'all should consider all those other little holes in the same frame assembly as the culprit in the wind noise. I simply haven't had time to find something to plug mine up. Plugging the big holes sure made a difference...maybe plugging all those little holes might eliminate the problem. Also, someone has posted about the looseness of the door gasket along the bottom of the door...it's a possible source also.
03-31-2007 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JonFo
Well, I bought my RL because I wanted a QUIET car. So guess what?
No grommets in my just delivered 2007 RL
Contacting dealer now.
No grommets in my just delivered 2007 RL
Contacting dealer now.
Once again, had to explain what I wanted and show them the printout of the bulletin linked earlier in the thread. Of course, they just reached into the stash of unused grommets they had lying around and popped four in.
Let me tell you, I makes a noticeable difference.
Before the grommets, we drove 170 miles of highway and high-speed secondary roads. Depending on road surface, the noise levels were high.
After the grommets, drove another hour (over 58 miles) on much of the same highways and secondary roads. Noticeably less noise. I mean, really, dealers should install these things if Acura wants to compete with Lexus on quiet.
However, started to notice a type of flutter / rattle at 70Mph behind the dash…
Guess it was there, but masked by the other noises at that speed. Now we’ll have to chase that down.
Bottom line: If you drive at 60Mph and over for a substantial percentage of your commute or travels, check for these and make an appointment if you don’t have them. You’ll be glad you did.
04-01-2007 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JonFo
Finally got a chance to drop by and have the Grommets installed. Took all of five minutes.
Once again, had to explain what I wanted and show them the printout of the bulletin linked earlier in the thread. Of course, they just reached into the stash of unused grommets they had lying around and popped four in.
Let me tell you, I makes a noticeable difference.
Before the grommets, we drove 170 miles of highway and high-speed secondary roads. Depending on road surface, the noise levels were high.
After the grommets, drove another hour (over 58 miles) on much of the same highways and secondary roads. Noticeably less noise. I mean, really, dealers should install these things if Acura wants to compete with Lexus on quiet.
However, started to notice a type of flutter / rattle at 70Mph behind the dash…
Guess it was there, but masked by the other noises at that speed. Now we’ll have to chase that down.
Bottom line: If you drive at 60Mph and over for a substantial percentage of your commute or travels, check for these and make an appointment if you don’t have them. You’ll be glad you did.
Once again, had to explain what I wanted and show them the printout of the bulletin linked earlier in the thread. Of course, they just reached into the stash of unused grommets they had lying around and popped four in.
Let me tell you, I makes a noticeable difference.
Before the grommets, we drove 170 miles of highway and high-speed secondary roads. Depending on road surface, the noise levels were high.
After the grommets, drove another hour (over 58 miles) on much of the same highways and secondary roads. Noticeably less noise. I mean, really, dealers should install these things if Acura wants to compete with Lexus on quiet.
However, started to notice a type of flutter / rattle at 70Mph behind the dash…
Guess it was there, but masked by the other noises at that speed. Now we’ll have to chase that down.
Bottom line: If you drive at 60Mph and over for a substantial percentage of your commute or travels, check for these and make an appointment if you don’t have them. You’ll be glad you did.
Hey Jonfo... I had the same flutter/rattle... I finally tracked it down to a small square plastic cap on the underside of the drivers rear view mirror. Take a piece of masking tape... put it over this piece..and see if that's it. If it is, it's an easy fix. Pop it out...put a little silicone caulk around the edge. Let it harden..then pop it back in. Mines been great ever since.
04-01-2007 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NavyDoc333
Hey Jonfo... I had the same flutter/rattle... I finally tracked it down to a small square plastic cap on the underside of the drivers rear view mirror. Take a piece of masking tape... put it over this piece..and see if that's it. If it is, it's an easy fix. Pop it out...put a little silicone caulk around the edge. Let it harden..then pop it back in. Mines been great ever since.
Next time I'm on the freeway (pretty few and far between these days), I'll give a listen. Pehaps the loose piece and the hole where the wire went in provided enough of a pressure differential to cause something to flutter. Or just the piece itself was loose.
Thanks for the tip!
Rob144
04-15-2007 | 06:36 PM
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Well, I finally got to drive on the highway and listen for the noise and......it's still there. So, stuffing the felt into the mirror and tightening the plastic panel didn't make a difference.
Any other ideas out there?
Rob144
Any other ideas out there?
Rob144