tatu

looks like they still declared the RL the winner at the end ofthe article and the infinity barely made it buy the bmw for third place.when i bought my car the numbers were 14.6 in the qaurter in acceleration 6.7 and qaurter speed it was 93.6 but looks like that all changed once the 2006 came out.

neuronbob

I almost forgot about the new M45x for this year. If this had been available last year when I was test-driving, I would probably no longer be an Acura owner.

Thank goodness it wasn't.....I wouldn't have gotten to experience that RL goodness.

F23A4

Judging by the RL's real world times, my money is on the M35.

But for the magazine racers (Car and Driver):

Acura RL
ACCELERATION Seconds
Zero to 30 mph 2.4
40 mph: 3.5
50 mph: 5.1
60 mph: 6.7
70 mph: 8.6
80 mph: 11.3
90 mph: 14.1
100 mph: 17.1
110 mph: 21.8
120 mph: 29.3
130 mph: 40.2
Street start, 5-60 mph: 7.8
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph: 4.4
50-70 mph: 5.4
Standing 1/4-mile: 15.2 sec @ 94 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 134 mph
BRAKING
70-0 mph: @ impending lockup 180 ft

HANDLING
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g
Understeer: minimal moderate excessive

FUEL ECONOMY
EPA city driving: 18 mpg
EPA highway driving: 26 mpg
C/D-observed: 19 mpg


M35 Sport (M35X stats unavailable)
Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 16.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 34.2 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 6.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.8 sec @ 96 mph
Top speed (gov ltd, mfr’s claim): 139 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 176 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.83 g
EPA fuel economy, city driving: 18 mpg
C/D-observed fuel economy: 17 mpg

Sidenote: I Just realized that the RL has similar acceleration numbers to the Honda Accord V6 5AT....the latter of which I am an owner.

Again, the RL is a more than competent sporty premium luxury sedan but (and respectfully) I just would not classify it as a sports sedan.

Mike_TX

Well, we're just bench racing here, but I've gotta tell you, Tatu - the '06 M45 I had would run away and hide from my '06 RL. It's partly gearing, it's partly 2 more cylinders (therefore more torque), and it's partly raw horsepower. No contest, I don't car what you've seen. And no one here thinks for a minute their RL will take an M45.

I'll also add that the RL doesn't make 300 hp at the wheels (if that's what you're saying ... it's kinda hard to tell, since you don't use punctuation or capital letters). It makes 290 at the crank. The M45's 4.5-liter makes 325 at the crank. More importantly, the 4.5 makes 336 lbs.-ft. of torque, and that's enough to squash the RL's 256 lbs.-ft.

Those of us who came from M's to RL's didn't do so because we figured the RL would outrun the M. For my money, the RL is just more sophisticated and better-executed, and I enjoy that about it. If they take the herky-jerky out of the drivetrain, maybe raise the final drive gearing (or come up with a 6-spd trans), and reduce the width of that center stack a bit, I may look at the M again some day.

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mrdeeno

How is the RL putting "300 to the tire"? It's 290hp measured AT THE CRANK, same as all other cars are measured. And what does an electronically limited top speed have to do with how slow or fast an engine is? Please do some research before posting.

And how is the 4.5L engine in the M45 the "same slow ass engine" in the armada and Infiniti truck, which as a 5.6L engine and is tuned for TORQUE over hp?

If you have valid arguments, make them...but I have yet to see any valid argument since your basing everything on wrong information.

Infamous425

someone got

GoHawks

I questioned that as well. How can it make 300 hp at the wheels when the gross horsepower ratings are 290? I figured he was referring to something else.

As much as I love my RL it would have it's hands full with an M35x. Against an M45, I wouldn't even attempt a run.

mrdeeno

He said the RL made 300 to the wheels, and then his next sentence said the M45 made 335hp at the crank, so it's pretty clear to me based on context that he was making an HP to HP comparison.


Is this guy seriously saying that stock Z, G35, G37, and "other big bad nissans" are underpowered and have trouble hanging with Civics? I think we should invent a new term for this guy, because in this case, "fanboy" just doesn't seem to cut it.

Hagrinas

I find a greater degree of control on curves with the M45 sport. I can't say the same about the M35x. And I have no complaints about the RL's handling in the first place.

The M45 sport can be pushed hard and takes it fine. The M35x is a bit more subdued, and the RL has a nicer overall ride than the others in terms of general comfort, while still holding the road. The M's give more of a jerky ride, especially the sport.

neuronbob

Why would anyone want to race an RL against an M45, anyway?

tatu

By the books the RL is slower.after 2005 acura droped the hp#'s to 290! the NEW TL typeS is realy 305hp but acura say's 289hp. I wonder how many of you actually have run your RL to see what it can achieve,how many of you have gone over a 130mph in your car?! to comfirm the governer? becouse i havent seen any governer and i push my car all the time;she has no problem getting up there,the other factor is if youre racing someone else and the cars are somewhat evenly mached,it comes down to who has more ball's!!!.


What i thought is that everyone here like's honda but everyone seems to like nissan!

and in regard's to the civic's..there not stock but niether where the z's. I respect nissan, had plenty; but ive found that i can do more with a honda engine!. Why dont you boys go race.. IF you know how to drive and test it out agains't the nissan's of your choise and see what happens!!

OH, dont alway's go by the book boy's......there is a v16 civic hatchback out here runing 500hp!!!, and didnt spend as much money tuning as the guy with his Z!!!.

tatu

Why are you even here were talking about luxury sport's cars not TOY BOXES WITCH YOU HAVE ON YOUR PIC!!.

jhr3uva90

I don't quite understand why a person would race an Acura RL. Isn't is supposed to be a techno-luxury mid-size sedan?

neuronbob

Actually, the hp is exactly the same. The numbers look different because Acura changed to the new SAE spec measurement of hp in 2006. All of Acura's models "lost" hp, and many of GM's cars "gained" hp. BMW's cars seemed to be about on the mark.

tatu

For fun,just to run something diffrent!.But when i bought it it was considerd a luxury-sport sedan!?.but this get's pointless if it was a chevy community we would argue ford!

I just see so much that can be done to the RL if you just had some imagination!. Everyone now is stuck on what the books say;very little peaple atually do serious motor work before they go throwing in SC orTC in ther car's,but whatever!.

F23A4

You are aware that the number of performance mods for the M35 (VQ35DE) far outnumber the mods available for the RL? (rhetorical question)

tatu

ya i know;i was talking about machining the block and shaving the heads changing the sleavs etc...

mrdeeno

all things that can be done on a nissan engine too.

Mike_TX

We like Honda (well, Acura, anyway), but we certainly respect the Nissan/Infiniti VQ-series engines. They are jewels, and they haven't been named in the top-ten best engines for years for nothing.

And many of us came here from Nissan or Infiniti vehicles. I personally had an '04 Nissan Maxima and an Infiniti M45 and both had absolutely top-notch engines. That doesn't mean I don't like Honda and Acura products - I love my RL and my MDX. But I don't think Nissan products are trash just because I don't currently own one.

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Infamous425

i never said anything about the box in my pic, idiot

F23A4

Well stated.

F23A4

Oh! For a moment I though he was calling that xB a 'witch', which (pun) had me .

mrdeeno

Is this guy even for real?

I see 2 scenarios here...

1. He is making shit up to put down Nissan/Infiniti and to promote Honda/Acura, and hoping that everyone here are fanboys that would just go along to bash Nissan/Infiniti,

or

2. He is uninformed and really believes what he is saying is true (such as RL has 300hp at the wheels vs. M45 325 at the crank, Z's have a hard time hanging with Civics, TL-S is 305hp, etc.).

Considering the grammar/spelling (or lack thereof), I put my money on scenario #2.


Reminds me of that guy awhile back who said that Honda's theoretical V8 is more powerful and fuel efficient than any other production V8 out there...but that guy had better spelling and grammar.

Don Melcher

Would you two go outside and duke it out, please?

SpicyMikey

LOL, you are taking this too personal dude. When people say stupid shit just ignore them. You'll live longer. Admittedly, I need to listen to that same advice sometimes, so, that's not meant to be a put down.

By the way, this is an Acura RL forum. Are you surprised the viewpoint is skewed towards Acura? Is it any different on NicoClub.com?

TampaRLX-SH

Healthy debate gentlemen, please.

The manufacturers are more clever than you give them credit for. Obviously every driver / owner does not share the same core values in driving style and the machine used for driivng. CERTAINLY not everyone shares your core values.

Both brands are respectable and the models are impressive in thier own right. They are intended to compete in similar markets but with decidedly different attributes to flush out as many buyers as they can. Nissan / Infinity offers style and tuning that appeals to performance. Honda / Acura appeals to value and refined engineering (just a few traits they are commonly known to project). One prefers porformance edginess over refinement and vice versa. Neither is wrong or worse than the other. And they are certainly right for the people who choose to purchase thier products, even if they are a minority.

The M impresses me, but I know it is not what I would be happy driving & owning it. The RL better appeals to my choices and therefore the right car for ME. That does not make it a better product than the M. It is simply the better choice for ME.

Celebrate the differences and the choices we have. Otherwise you might get stuck driving only one car design in the world mandated by someone else's choice.

This 'King of the Hill' mentality thinly veils some personal inadequacies. Be happy with your choice and allow others to do the same. Show you are more intelligent than the machines we drive.

Sheesh.

tatu

First of all im not bashing nissan,i owned a 300z a 280zx and a silvia,i find honda better!.
the civic's are nothing close to stock but niether are the nissans. maybe i won because im a better driver dont know? if you want we can meet up at track someware between were we live and prove who is right!!.Because the only thing you have to say is my spelling and calling me a fanboy!, and ill bring and the civic's so you can talk some more. OH! dont forget to bring your RL to!!.

Mike_TX

This thread ..........

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mrdeeno

should I even respond?

Nah, it's been fun but its getting old now.

tatu

Good! i feel the same way.

F23A4

Do not bother deeno, this argument is starting to bring this to mind:

tatu

was i speaking to you? BITCH!!!.You can come out to, if you got the balls!, my buddies and i are ready for both you lame ass slow fucks! But i think you both cant put money were your mouth is!. You might get scared and crash, or maybe lose your cars!!

I wanted to end it and you go say something real stupid! well nice talking to you 2 ladies.

F23A4

Seems like a sabbatical from Acurazine might be in order.

SpicyMikey

Thanks f23a4. I was wondering what you guys were waiting for?

TampaRLX-SH

Shepsan's original post was a fair, first hand comparison of two fine , if different automobiles. I for one, say thanks for that kind of information. Rational, real and as objective as someone can be about car ownership. That is what I come to this board for.

What a shame what has been done to the spirit of that original post.

Don Melcher

I'll drink to that!

Mike_TX

larrynimmo

bob must be away...he will not stand for this

neuronbob

Larry is absolutely right. Had a long day and come in to this..... tatu made a HUGE faux pas here......

I see that the Admins are peeking at this thread. Action will follow.

Mike_TX

Bob, if you're going to let your medical practice get in the way of moderating this board, we might have to re-think your moderatorship. You have been entrusted with a formidable responsibility here, and you absolutely MUST get your priorities straight. "Long days" are no excuse. After all, what's more important ... looking inside someone's head or making sure the children are playing nice on this board?

Now, get it together.

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