Transmission Recall
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Transmission Recall
Saw this thread over at the TL site...
http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85736
Has anyone else heard anything about this or how credible it is???
http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85736
Has anyone else heard anything about this or how credible it is???
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Full story:
Honda Expands U.S. Auto Recall for Transmission Flaw (Update2)
June 30 (Bloomberg) -- Honda Motor Co. is widening a recall of vehicles in the U.S. and Canada to 1.14 million units, among its largest, covering Accord and Acura cars that have the same transmission fault that triggered a light-truck recall this year.
Japan's third-largest automaker is voluntarily recalling 536,950 vehicles, with V-6 engines and 5-speed automatic transmissions, in addition to those already announced in April. The company is also recalling 79,531 units in Japan to fix faulty transmissions and fuel tanks, starting tomorrow.
The inspections and repairs will cost Honda about $63 million, in addition to the $153 million being spent on the light-truck portion of the recall, spokesman Andy Boyd said. In Japan, Honda is spending about $8.5 million on its recall.
Honda was runner-up to Toyota Motor Corp. in an annual reliability study of three-year-old cars and trucks by J.D. Power & Associates in the U.S. Honda, Toyota and Nissan Motor Co., which benefit from consumer perceptions that they build better vehicles, increased their U.S. market share to 24.1 percent last year from 22.2 percent, according to Autodata Corp.
Honda's North American recall includes 2003- and 2004-model Accords, 2000- through early 2004-model Acura TL sedans, and 2001- through 2003-model Acura CLs, Boyd said. In April, the company recalled 600,000 U.S. and Canadian Odyssey minivans, and Pilot and Acura MDX sport-utility vehicles with the same transmission.
Shares of Honda, which ranks fifth in U.S. sales, fell as much as 1.1 percent to 5,230 yen in Tokyo and were traded at 5,250 yen as of 2:52 p.m.
Japanese Recall
The Japanese recall covers 68,000 vehicles with gearbox defects, including Odyssey and Lagreat minivans. The Tokyo-based carmaker will also take back 11,531 Inspire sedans with faulty fuel pumps, spokesman Kazuhiro Suda said.
The problem results from insufficient lubrication of a transmission shaft that can overheat, potentially damaging gear teeth or causing the gears to break, Honda said in a statement.
The U.S. unit of Tokyo-based Honda has had only one reported incident of a transmission failing in the car models recalled and no reported accidents or injuries, Boyd said.
``We are acting out of an abundance of caution to ensure that this doesn't become an issue for our customers,'' Tom Elliot, Honda's U.S. executive vice president, said in a statement. Customers will be notified by letter starting mid-July.
In most cases, the gears will be inspected and the flow of transmission fluid will be modified, Honda said. If damage from insufficient lubrication is found, the transmission will be replaced, the company said. Recall repairs typically are paid for out of reserves set aside for that purpose.
The Accord is Honda's best-selling model, with annual sales in the U.S. and Canada exceeding 400,000.
Honda Expands U.S. Auto Recall for Transmission Flaw (Update2)
June 30 (Bloomberg) -- Honda Motor Co. is widening a recall of vehicles in the U.S. and Canada to 1.14 million units, among its largest, covering Accord and Acura cars that have the same transmission fault that triggered a light-truck recall this year.
Japan's third-largest automaker is voluntarily recalling 536,950 vehicles, with V-6 engines and 5-speed automatic transmissions, in addition to those already announced in April. The company is also recalling 79,531 units in Japan to fix faulty transmissions and fuel tanks, starting tomorrow.
The inspections and repairs will cost Honda about $63 million, in addition to the $153 million being spent on the light-truck portion of the recall, spokesman Andy Boyd said. In Japan, Honda is spending about $8.5 million on its recall.
Honda was runner-up to Toyota Motor Corp. in an annual reliability study of three-year-old cars and trucks by J.D. Power & Associates in the U.S. Honda, Toyota and Nissan Motor Co., which benefit from consumer perceptions that they build better vehicles, increased their U.S. market share to 24.1 percent last year from 22.2 percent, according to Autodata Corp.
Honda's North American recall includes 2003- and 2004-model Accords, 2000- through early 2004-model Acura TL sedans, and 2001- through 2003-model Acura CLs, Boyd said. In April, the company recalled 600,000 U.S. and Canadian Odyssey minivans, and Pilot and Acura MDX sport-utility vehicles with the same transmission.
Shares of Honda, which ranks fifth in U.S. sales, fell as much as 1.1 percent to 5,230 yen in Tokyo and were traded at 5,250 yen as of 2:52 p.m.
Japanese Recall
The Japanese recall covers 68,000 vehicles with gearbox defects, including Odyssey and Lagreat minivans. The Tokyo-based carmaker will also take back 11,531 Inspire sedans with faulty fuel pumps, spokesman Kazuhiro Suda said.
The problem results from insufficient lubrication of a transmission shaft that can overheat, potentially damaging gear teeth or causing the gears to break, Honda said in a statement.
The U.S. unit of Tokyo-based Honda has had only one reported incident of a transmission failing in the car models recalled and no reported accidents or injuries, Boyd said.
``We are acting out of an abundance of caution to ensure that this doesn't become an issue for our customers,'' Tom Elliot, Honda's U.S. executive vice president, said in a statement. Customers will be notified by letter starting mid-July.
In most cases, the gears will be inspected and the flow of transmission fluid will be modified, Honda said. If damage from insufficient lubrication is found, the transmission will be replaced, the company said. Recall repairs typically are paid for out of reserves set aside for that purpose.
The Accord is Honda's best-selling model, with annual sales in the U.S. and Canada exceeding 400,000.
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Two other links I found. Both pretty much saying the same thing
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040630/law031_1.html
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosins...tos-199589.htm
It looks as though this is legit and Honda FINALLY did the right thing.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040630/law031_1.html
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosins...tos-199589.htm
It looks as though this is legit and Honda FINALLY did the right thing.
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So is this an actual "recall" that will replace our trannies with "fixed" ones or just an extension of the vehicles covered under the extended 100K miles tranny warranty?
I was just about to post asking about any known tranny failures on the new TL too. Are there any?
This really sucks b/c the new TL is a great car and I still think about an MDX, but I don't see myself in another Acura anytime soon. The have to get their shit straight first and have proof, not their usual BS answers....so only time will tell.
I was just about to post asking about any known tranny failures on the new TL too. Are there any?
This really sucks b/c the new TL is a great car and I still think about an MDX, but I don't see myself in another Acura anytime soon. The have to get their shit straight first and have proof, not their usual BS answers....so only time will tell.
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Originally Posted by Nashua_Night_Hawk
we need a link... to the story. It is not on the Hondanews.com yet.
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news...o&refer=japan#
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Originally Posted by Rod
So is this an actual "recall" that will replace our trannies with "fixed" ones or just an extension of the vehicles covered under the extended 100K miles tranny warranty?
I was just about to post asking about any known tranny failures on the new TL too. Are there any?
This really sucks b/c the new TL is a great car and I still think about an MDX, but I don't see myself in another Acura anytime soon. The have to get their shit straight first and have proof, not their usual BS answers....so only time will tell.
I was just about to post asking about any known tranny failures on the new TL too. Are there any?
This really sucks b/c the new TL is a great car and I still think about an MDX, but I don't see myself in another Acura anytime soon. The have to get their shit straight first and have proof, not their usual BS answers....so only time will tell.
In the article, it states that they will inspect the tranny, and if there is not too much damage, they will reroute the flow of fluid? But if there is already damage, they will replace the whole tranny with a new one.
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here is the snipet:
In most cases, the gears will be inspected and the flow of transmission fluid will be modified, Honda said. If damage from insufficient lubrication is found, the transmission will be replaced, the company said. Recall repairs typically are paid for out of reserves set aside for that purpose.
In most cases, the gears will be inspected and the flow of transmission fluid will be modified, Honda said. If damage from insufficient lubrication is found, the transmission will be replaced, the company said. Recall repairs typically are paid for out of reserves set aside for that purpose.
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Wonder how the flow will be modified..? "In most cases, the gears will be inspected and the flow of transmission fluid will be modified, Honda said. If damage from insufficient lubrication is found, the transmission will be replaced, the company said."
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Originally Posted by anothercls
The U.S. unit of Tokyo-based Honda has had only one reported incident of a transmission failing in the car models recalled....
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I second Rod's question about replacement with NEW versus just another "fixed" one? My guess is that since it's a recall, NEW would have to be the way to go, assuming there's "enough damage" to replace it. Not a bad deal to get a new tranny after 50+k.
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i've been told this recall applies only to the '03 and '04 models, and that it changes nothing for our cars, that the 100k 7 yr warranty is the only thing that we will have for us 
it would be nice to get a reliable tranny. i dont want to have to shell out 5k for a v/r tranny
it would be nice to get a reliable tranny. i dont want to have to shell out 5k for a v/r tranny
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Hondanews.com story: http://hondanews.com/CatID1000?mid=2...39497&mime=asc
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from the TL thread
This is part of a voluntary recall, which is different from the current extended transmission warranty. Right now, those people covered by the extended warranty for the transmission cannot do anything preventative to avoid tranny failure--if it breaks they replace it, if it doesn't they don't. A voluntary recall means if your vehicle falls within the recalled range, you can bring it in to have the tranny repaired/replaced even if it is currently not failing or showing signs of failure. The difference between a mandatory and voluntary recall is how much advertising and pushing Honda must do to get the repairs completed. With a mandatory recall, the government dictates how much, when, and where Honda would have to advertise this campaign and how they need to account for all the trannys they replaced. With it being voluntary, they only have to announce that it exists and attempt to notify owners of affected vehicles. Whether or not owners take advantage of it is up to the owners. Hopefully they will be sending letters to owners of affected vehicles.
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it makes sense, if you realize that the recall does not affect any of our TLs or CLs.
only one failure reported for the '03s and '04s - well, those cars can't have a lot of mileage yet now can they? the tranny failures typically happened at like 25k+ miles it seems.
i guess honda didn't fix the tranny issue with the newer generation vehicles... hope i'm wrong but if that is the case i'm pretty disappointed
only one failure reported for the '03s and '04s - well, those cars can't have a lot of mileage yet now can they? the tranny failures typically happened at like 25k+ miles it seems.
i guess honda didn't fix the tranny issue with the newer generation vehicles... hope i'm wrong but if that is the case i'm pretty disappointed
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So if there was enough damage to warrant a replacement, would the ecu be reflashed also-causing a decrease in performance?? Or, even if they don't replace it, will they still reflash the ecu???? I don't want my ecu reflashed if they are going to lessen the performance of the vehicle.
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The voluntary action involves approximately 499,000 Honda and Acura passenger vehicles with V6 engines and 5-speed automatic transmissions. Affected models include certain 2003 and early 2004 model Accord V6 sedans and coupes, 2000-2003 and early 2004 Acura TL sedans, and 2001-2003 Acura CL coupes.
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Originally Posted by Chaptorial
Is that a joke or am i missing something?
Seriously, they already said something like 3% of the trannies had the problem we all know about, so saying only one case of this problem has to mean that it is a different problem, right?
Guess I'll be taking my baby in for some service soon.
Hmmm... very interesting. Do you think there will be a certain time frame for when we need to get the recall done or can I just wait till 100k, 150k, 175k and bring it in whenever the transmission dies (hopefully it never will again).
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it just doesn't make sense to me, 1 confirmed case? and i was reading the TL forum, and people seemed to agree that their cars were not involved in this general recall.i just had my tranny replaced like 5k miles ago, i dont think the general wear on the 2-3rd gears would manifest yet... unless they replace the transmission with a completely, redesigned bulletproof one i dont quite see how this will help any of us.
Originally Posted by rezurex
i just had my tranny replaced like 5k miles ago, i dont think the general wear on the 2-3rd gears would manifest yet... unless they replace the transmission with a completely, redesigned bulletproof one i dont quite see how this will help any of us.
It will help ALL of us with the automatic transmission. Honda has finally documented that there is a problem with the transmission that warrants a recall. This means it will be easier to get the transmission replaced and hopefull the changes in the new transmission (who knows how it is altered) won't affect performance that much.
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Originally Posted by rezurex
i just had my tranny replaced like 5k miles ago, i dont think the general wear on the 2-3rd gears would manifest yet... unless they replace the transmission with a completely, redesigned bulletproof one i dont quite see how this will help any of us.
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It states in the article that 2001 through 2003 CLs are included in the recall, but then goes on to say:
Such 
! This is why everyone thinks that Hondas/Acuras are so reliable, b/c such crap is released to the media. How can you say "only one confirmed instance of a transmission failure" when even the NHTSA has multiple occurrences on record from just myself? Fine, they qualified the statement by adding "related to this defect," whatever. 
Why don't they then mention the hundred of other failures probably due to unknown defects? And then 
Tom Elliot goes on to say that they "are acting out of an abundance of caution to ensure that this doesn't become an issue," WTF? 
This has been an issue for years already, get your head out of your ass already. 
The company has found only one confirmed instance of a transmission failure related to this defect in its passenger cars, with no accidents or injuries. "We are acting out of an abundance of caution to ensure that this doesn't become an issue for our customers," said Tom Elliott, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
! This is why everyone thinks that Hondas/Acuras are so reliable, b/c such crap is released to the media. How can you say "only one confirmed instance of a transmission failure" when even the NHTSA has multiple occurrences on record from just myself? Fine, they qualified the statement by adding "related to this defect," whatever. Why don't they then mention the hundred of other failures probably due to unknown defects? And then Tom Elliot goes on to say that they "are acting out of an abundance of caution to ensure that this doesn't become an issue," WTF? This has been an issue for years already, get your head out of your ass already.