Transmission Class Action Settlement Website - Transmission Letter
#41
meh...my VIN is not covered, yet it was covered under the Acura recall..??. Whatever, I still have 35K miles to go in the 100K warranty.
As others said, 9K miles extra is 9K miles extra you wouldn't have had before.
As others said, 9K miles extra is 9K miles extra you wouldn't have had before.
#42
HUH?:confused:
i just finnish reading all the post. i'm just trying understand what going on? i have an 02 cl-s w/99150 miles on it. so acura/honda is replacing your tranny for free?the (goodwill replace) i think my tranny is going out. every once in while, i'll be going home after work at 45 mph. all the sudden, it felt like i lost rpm. anybody know what's up wit that? thanks !!
#43
my VIN isnt covered either...
is it really THAT hard for acura engineers to come up with something that works? i mean, wouldn't they be loosing LESS money if they didnt have to replace peoples transmissions, sometimes even 2 or 3 times AFTER the first replacement?
is it really THAT hard for acura engineers to come up with something that works? i mean, wouldn't they be loosing LESS money if they didnt have to replace peoples transmissions, sometimes even 2 or 3 times AFTER the first replacement?
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Originally Posted by weixin
every once in while, i'll be going home after work at 45 mph. all the sudden, it felt like i lost rpm. anybody know what's up wit that? thanks !!
This isn't a sign of the transmision going, the car doesn't know which gear you want to be in and it's downshifting/upshifting when you let off the gas pedal a bit. If you feel an abrupt jerk from the car, that's when you know the tranny may be going.
#47
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Took my 2002 TL-S into dealership (limping) at 102k. I also received the letter explaining the "proposed" settlement. Advisor first offered a new tranny at labor, then at cost of taxes on materials. Accepted that offer. Got a loaner (06 TL) for a week as it would take at least that long for them to get the new tranny.
Loaner has given me the new car fever. I'm sure that was part of their plan. If I can get a steep enough discount on the loaner (4,800 miles on it) I will trade. I think I should get at least $11k on the trade and dealer cost on the new car.
What do you experienced negotiators think about that potential deal? I know I could sell my car for $1k more but with some work. What would be a good deal right now on a 06 TL/Nav with 5k miles? BTW, I'm in the Atlanta GA area.
Thanks for any input.
Loaner has given me the new car fever. I'm sure that was part of their plan. If I can get a steep enough discount on the loaner (4,800 miles on it) I will trade. I think I should get at least $11k on the trade and dealer cost on the new car.
What do you experienced negotiators think about that potential deal? I know I could sell my car for $1k more but with some work. What would be a good deal right now on a 06 TL/Nav with 5k miles? BTW, I'm in the Atlanta GA area.
Thanks for any input.
#48
Am I the only one??
Back when I owned my CL-S, Acura automatically extended my warrany on the tranny to 100,000 miles, after my 50,000 mile warranty was extended. I did not take any action to initiate it. Nor did I purchase any extended warranty.
Good thing too as I had it replaced under warranty at 98,000 miles. Talk about cutting it close.
From what I read here, it sounds like not everyone got this??
Good thing too as I had it replaced under warranty at 98,000 miles. Talk about cutting it close.
From what I read here, it sounds like not everyone got this??
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Just got the letter in the mail today. I still think it's garbage. The consumer's aren't reaping any benefit from this lawsuit.
Almost another year of coverage? On a another note-Honda's losing a lot of $ on this..i don't see BMW or Hummer giving extended factory warranties on their far from reliable products. Thats not including the $8000 "free" maintence fee's included with the ultimate mechanic's machine
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Hey Ladies and Gentleman, time for a sneaky lawyer talk session! The goal of this letter is to create the perception that something is being done large scale to resolve this transmission problem. This is true, but not to the extent it seems. Yes that is a great step extending the tranny warranty to 93 months/9k miles. It gives people the belief that their needs are being addresed. Do not be fooled though, this is H/A giving up an inch and getting a mile in return. This settlement means that they will replace trannies for the said extension, but will not have any liability for transmissions that fail after 109k/93mo. An extension like this is just a drop in the ocean - for the extra trannies H/A DOES replace, think of all the 109k+ trannies they WONT have to replace.
This situation is like at least one Michael Jackson case where him and the boy's family settles out of court for an "undisclosed" amount! Everyone knows he did it, but doesn't want to see him go to prison. So he never admits wrongdoing, doesn't have a blemish on his record, and just pays. Family is happy, Michael is happy. Win/Win right? Wrong, while Michael gives up pocket change, this boy is probably permanently psychologically damaged. Don't let Michael...I mean H/A get away this time. I am willing to bet that if enough people do not give into the pressure to take this, a better deal can be had with more ownership being taken on H/A part. If those lawyers are going to get paid a hefty commission, they better put in work! Of the three groups involved here (customers, lawyers, H/A) we are currently getting the shortest stick. We should be getting the best part of this deal! Accountability, damn it!
On that note, I just recently took my car for a maintenance look/oil change. I have had reoccuring symptoms I believed were related to an o2 sensor and possibly the ecu or the communication between them. I ruled out my VTEC controller through testing. Symptoms experienced included check engine/VSA lights coming on, tranny shifting very jerky, and an early rev limiter at 5500rpm. So I ask them to check these things (TC Performance, featured in tuner mags, quality people). Mechanic took it for a ride, came back and felt I needed a new tranny. Sure enough, I had check engine codes for tranny. I am setting up an appt with Flatirons Acura on Monday. For the record I have 88k and first tranny was replaced at 62k. This is an oppurtune time for the current offered warranty as I will get a replacement tranny, which should help me skate by until I can pick up a 6MT CLS for serious mods. Well, this is my
This situation is like at least one Michael Jackson case where him and the boy's family settles out of court for an "undisclosed" amount! Everyone knows he did it, but doesn't want to see him go to prison. So he never admits wrongdoing, doesn't have a blemish on his record, and just pays. Family is happy, Michael is happy. Win/Win right? Wrong, while Michael gives up pocket change, this boy is probably permanently psychologically damaged. Don't let Michael...I mean H/A get away this time. I am willing to bet that if enough people do not give into the pressure to take this, a better deal can be had with more ownership being taken on H/A part. If those lawyers are going to get paid a hefty commission, they better put in work! Of the three groups involved here (customers, lawyers, H/A) we are currently getting the shortest stick. We should be getting the best part of this deal! Accountability, damn it!
On that note, I just recently took my car for a maintenance look/oil change. I have had reoccuring symptoms I believed were related to an o2 sensor and possibly the ecu or the communication between them. I ruled out my VTEC controller through testing. Symptoms experienced included check engine/VSA lights coming on, tranny shifting very jerky, and an early rev limiter at 5500rpm. So I ask them to check these things (TC Performance, featured in tuner mags, quality people). Mechanic took it for a ride, came back and felt I needed a new tranny. Sure enough, I had check engine codes for tranny. I am setting up an appt with Flatirons Acura on Monday. For the record I have 88k and first tranny was replaced at 62k. This is an oppurtune time for the current offered warranty as I will get a replacement tranny, which should help me skate by until I can pick up a 6MT CLS for serious mods. Well, this is my
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Originally Posted by GreenMachine
Well then they need to fix the problem instead putting a bandade on it thinking it's going to heal.
BTW yes I do believe if a specific number is reached with this settlement, H/A will be much more reluctant to replace "goodwill" trannies that are out of warranty. They may even stop completely, being that they would be almost completly legally covered by the settlement.
#54
Originally Posted by HBaJ
For those that say 9 months/9,000 miles is nothing, take it for whats it worth..most other companies just leave u out to dry. If you can mention to me an auto manufacturer that not only extended their powertrain warranty, but then re-extended it for a cars that have been out of production of about 3 years, or has even gone to any extent for this kind of customer care please let me know and that'll be my next purchase..but for now its Honda/Acura all the way.
I have driven a total of 9 cars in my life.
1 GM had trans issues but the guy who rebuilt it did it right and it lasted
2. A '98 accord LX V6 that ate THREE transmissions within 11K
3. My current car a CL type S that will need a new trans shortly
so the american cars that are junk have better transmission IMHO than Honda/Acura does.......
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai
funny you should say that....becuase no other auto manufacturer is having tne problems with transmissions that Honda/Acura are having.
I have driven a total of 9 cars in my life.
1 GM had trans issues but the guy who rebuilt it did it right and it lasted
2. A '98 accord LX V6 that ate THREE transmissions within 11K
3. My current car a CL type S that will need a new trans shortly
so the american cars that are junk have better transmission IMHO than Honda/Acura does.......
I have driven a total of 9 cars in my life.
1 GM had trans issues but the guy who rebuilt it did it right and it lasted
2. A '98 accord LX V6 that ate THREE transmissions within 11K
3. My current car a CL type S that will need a new trans shortly
so the american cars that are junk have better transmission IMHO than Honda/Acura does.......
Oh i know for a fact that american transmission's are better, handsdown- i think GM and BMW had a partnership on building them I heard last year. What I'm saying however, is that other manufacturers don't go this far out of their way for customer care on faulty products..not JUST transmission but electrical and other problems as well.
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Originally Posted by HBaJ
Almost another year of coverage? On a another note-Honda's losing a lot of $ on this..i don't see BMW or Hummer giving extended factory warranties on their far from reliable products. Thats not including the $8000 "free" maintence fee's included with the ultimate mechanic's machine
There are a lot of guys on here with over 109,000 miles...how would they benefit from this?
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai
funny you should say that....becuase no other auto manufacturer is having tne problems with transmissions that Honda/Acura are having.
I have driven a total of 9 cars in my life.
1 GM had trans issues but the guy who rebuilt it did it right and it lasted
2. A '98 accord LX V6 that ate THREE transmissions within 11K
3. My current car a CL type S that will need a new trans shortly
so the american cars that are junk have better transmission IMHO than Honda/Acura does.......
I have driven a total of 9 cars in my life.
1 GM had trans issues but the guy who rebuilt it did it right and it lasted
2. A '98 accord LX V6 that ate THREE transmissions within 11K
3. My current car a CL type S that will need a new trans shortly
so the american cars that are junk have better transmission IMHO than Honda/Acura does.......
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Smart decisions from different points of view...
- If you currently have over 109k miles, you have NOTHING to lose by opting out, except your rights to a replacement after 109k. Actually you have nothing to GAIN by accepting this. I believe they should cover up to 125k. Push them further with the numbers, hold them accountable (refer to my previous posts).
- If you currently have under 100k miles, you are covered under the previous warranty still.
- The only people that should worry are ones within a couple thousand miles of 100k. You have a tough decision to make here. Do you go for this and gain an extra 10k miles, only to have future pivelages nearly forfeited? OR do you opt out, hoping litigation will eventually bring a more favorable deal? (Which is highly likely, since this is the second time a major step has been taken. Also, because of the importance of customer perception to H/A). Keep in mind IF a decision was made by these folks to opt out, and a future resolution (i.e 125k/105mo) settlement was reached, you may be entitled to reimbursement for having to replace a tranny during that time.
As previously stated, I am sure that once something is put in legal documents (like if this settlement was accepted), you will have a MUCH harder time finding "nice guy" delaerships for tranny replacements out of warranty.
- If you currently have over 109k miles, you have NOTHING to lose by opting out, except your rights to a replacement after 109k. Actually you have nothing to GAIN by accepting this. I believe they should cover up to 125k. Push them further with the numbers, hold them accountable (refer to my previous posts).
- If you currently have under 100k miles, you are covered under the previous warranty still.
- The only people that should worry are ones within a couple thousand miles of 100k. You have a tough decision to make here. Do you go for this and gain an extra 10k miles, only to have future pivelages nearly forfeited? OR do you opt out, hoping litigation will eventually bring a more favorable deal? (Which is highly likely, since this is the second time a major step has been taken. Also, because of the importance of customer perception to H/A). Keep in mind IF a decision was made by these folks to opt out, and a future resolution (i.e 125k/105mo) settlement was reached, you may be entitled to reimbursement for having to replace a tranny during that time.
As previously stated, I am sure that once something is put in legal documents (like if this settlement was accepted), you will have a MUCH harder time finding "nice guy" delaerships for tranny replacements out of warranty.
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One question I wish would be explained - Why does Honda build some of the best production car manual trannies around, and some of the worst production car auto trannies?
BTW- Evethough it seems too many people have tranny problems,in Consumer Reports the worst rating the CL tranny ever received was 15% of users reporting issues. That is still only 1 in 6 people...
BTW- Evethough it seems too many people have tranny problems,in Consumer Reports the worst rating the CL tranny ever received was 15% of users reporting issues. That is still only 1 in 6 people...
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Originally Posted by GreenMachine
I'm already over 113,xxx...where am I going to benefit?
There are a lot of guys on here with over 109,000 miles...how would they benefit from this?
There are a lot of guys on here with over 109,000 miles...how would they benefit from this?
#62
I just bought a 02 TL over the weekend. I was unaware of the transmission problems. It makes quite a bit of noise when accelerating. I think it may be the transmission. If so, other than contacting my local Acura/Honda dealer about recalls, what else should I do? I checked the Honda settlement site, and my car is under the settlement. I have 84K miles on it.
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I have 142k on mine. Had the tranny replaced at around 109. Havent had any problems with replacement, but since they covered my first transmission, they said there is no Warranty.
Does anyone know if they are putting anytype of warranty on the replacement transmission?
Its a load of crap if they dont offer any type of warranty on the replacement....There are 1000's of posts showing that the replacement is also faulty...
Any Ideas?
Does anyone know if they are putting anytype of warranty on the replacement transmission?
Its a load of crap if they dont offer any type of warranty on the replacement....There are 1000's of posts showing that the replacement is also faulty...
Any Ideas?
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Originally Posted by NightRider
Smart decisions from different points of view...
- If you currently have over 109k miles, you have NOTHING to lose by opting out, except your rights to a replacement after 109k. Actually you have nothing to GAIN by accepting this. I believe they should cover up to 125k. Push them further with the numbers, hold them accountable (refer to my previous posts).
- If you currently have under 100k miles, you are covered under the previous warranty still.
- The only people that should worry are ones within a couple thousand miles of 100k. You have a tough decision to make here. Do you go for this and gain an extra 10k miles, only to have future pivelages nearly forfeited? OR do you opt out, hoping litigation will eventually bring a more favorable deal? (Which is highly likely, since this is the second time a major step has been taken. Also, because of the importance of customer perception to H/A). Keep in mind IF a decision was made by these folks to opt out, and a future resolution (i.e 125k/105mo) settlement was reached, you may be entitled to reimbursement for having to replace a tranny during that time.
As previously stated, I am sure that once something is put in legal documents (like if this settlement was accepted), you will have a MUCH harder time finding "nice guy" delaerships for tranny replacements out of warranty.
- If you currently have over 109k miles, you have NOTHING to lose by opting out, except your rights to a replacement after 109k. Actually you have nothing to GAIN by accepting this. I believe they should cover up to 125k. Push them further with the numbers, hold them accountable (refer to my previous posts).
- If you currently have under 100k miles, you are covered under the previous warranty still.
- The only people that should worry are ones within a couple thousand miles of 100k. You have a tough decision to make here. Do you go for this and gain an extra 10k miles, only to have future pivelages nearly forfeited? OR do you opt out, hoping litigation will eventually bring a more favorable deal? (Which is highly likely, since this is the second time a major step has been taken. Also, because of the importance of customer perception to H/A). Keep in mind IF a decision was made by these folks to opt out, and a future resolution (i.e 125k/105mo) settlement was reached, you may be entitled to reimbursement for having to replace a tranny during that time.
As previously stated, I am sure that once something is put in legal documents (like if this settlement was accepted), you will have a MUCH harder time finding "nice guy" delaerships for tranny replacements out of warranty.
But Acura dealership is solely responsible for selling and servicing Acura cars, dealership is a different division and get paid internally for servicing a transmission under warranty. I am not sure about dealership will get paid for goodwill repair but the goodwill amount allowed is there already, whether certain model has warranty extension or not. It is just service manager's individual decision on whether out-of-warranty repair should get a share of that goodwill $, does not matter how warranty extension is achieved (from Honda or from settlement)
Dealerships care less about the law suit: they got paid handsomely no matter how long the warranty is, goodwill repair $ functions just as before. I don't think they will give owners hassle just because the law suit.
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Whats up, 1st tiem here, my fisrt post due to purchasing a tl-s 2002 with a little over 100k, not even 101k yet. My question is that my car can be still on warranty until 109k due to law suit going on right now.
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I think the REAL reason for the all the tranny failures on the TL is the fact that like me, the majority of TL owners love to have a luxury car they can romp on all day long. There is a reason my pops toyota camry has 260,000 miles on it with no major work done, and my TL tranny is not going to last, its because I haul ass every chance I get!!!!! 109K miles is a good deal on free replacement. If your car has more than that, and you can't help rompin on it, I would sell asap and just get new tl. my 2cents.
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Originally Posted by GreenMachine
I'm already over 113,xxx...where am I going to benefit?
There are a lot of guys on here with over 109,000 miles...how would they benefit from this?
There are a lot of guys on here with over 109,000 miles...how would they benefit from this?
Honda benefits big time from this settlement, use a small amount to buy off ALL potential future law suits and getting a huge liability off its balance sheet. Talk about wipe the slate clean on a bad transmission design: no need to pour R&D $ to find a solution, no more worrying about giving out a meaningful extension that leads to bigger expense, no more future bad PR on this tranny due because there won't be any law suit.
Honda , lawyers . Owners
Opt out this ridiculous law suit, these lawyers do not represent me.
#69
so.. my bro has a '99 acura TL with 87K miles on it.. can he get a free tranny at the dealer right now? ... im so lost right now.. i HATE lawyer talk! he doesnt even have an extended warranty.. is it more like a recall?
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I think the REAL reason for the all the tranny failures on the TL is the fact that like me, the majority of TL owners love to have a luxury car they can romp on all day long. There is a reason my pops toyota camry has 260,000 miles on it with no major work done, and my TL tranny is not going to last, its because I haul ass every chance I get!!!!! 109K miles is a good deal on free replacement. If your car has more than that, and you can't help rompin on it, I would sell asap and just get new tl. my 2cents.
i dont drive fast.. and neither does my brother.. ALSO! washington weather is pretty cool all year round.. so there really isnt any excuse for trannies to poop out at around 90K..
Honda/Acura Engines are GREAT! but.. the Transmission is SO CRAPPY...
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You should be fine, the earlier replacements were garbage though..
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im kind of in the same boat as your brother legendary. i have a a 99 tl with 84k and do not have an extended warranty. i just recently bought the car this past Sept. so i'm trying to figure out how does this proposed warranty extension apply to me.
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What date qualifies as an "earlier replacement?" How can we tell if our replacement is a "newer one" or one of the "earlier replacements?"
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question about settlement...
i recently purchased an '02 tl with 103,xxx on it...
i am not sure if the original owner bought the extended warranty...
if i go to an acura dealereship am i covered until the 109,000?
i recently purchased an '02 tl with 103,xxx on it...
i am not sure if the original owner bought the extended warranty...
if i go to an acura dealereship am i covered until the 109,000?
#75
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I read the letter, and the $ expected by the lawyers to me seems a little excessive for what this is. my opinion is that this is one of those "mogan and moran, for the people" type law companies. The abulance chaser type, which I totally hate.
I would really like the 9k miles extra, as i have 81k on mine, but I might opt out just because I don't like these vampires.
As far as others saying GM have great trannies, ya the tranny is great compared with the rest of the car. My grand cherokee needed about $9000 of fixing to make it to 100k miles. Nobody really gets to worry about tranny in those cars, the rest of the car doesn't make it 1/2 as far.
I don't understand why some of you feel cheated by honda that the tranny breaks. ok ya it's a car stuff goes bad, and news flash, your car has 100k miles on it, it's not "new". I think the fact that they pushed the powertrain warranty to 100k miles to me means seems like honda is trying to stand behind their clients.
I do wish that my car will last for many years and miles to come, but if it breaks, I'll deal with it, I won't sue honda for it. How many people do you hear of that sue GM because their lovely H2 broke down after 100k miles!
I would really like the 9k miles extra, as i have 81k on mine, but I might opt out just because I don't like these vampires.
As far as others saying GM have great trannies, ya the tranny is great compared with the rest of the car. My grand cherokee needed about $9000 of fixing to make it to 100k miles. Nobody really gets to worry about tranny in those cars, the rest of the car doesn't make it 1/2 as far.
I don't understand why some of you feel cheated by honda that the tranny breaks. ok ya it's a car stuff goes bad, and news flash, your car has 100k miles on it, it's not "new". I think the fact that they pushed the powertrain warranty to 100k miles to me means seems like honda is trying to stand behind their clients.
I do wish that my car will last for many years and miles to come, but if it breaks, I'll deal with it, I won't sue honda for it. How many people do you hear of that sue GM because their lovely H2 broke down after 100k miles!
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How many people do you hear of that sue GM because their lovely H2 broke down after 100k miles!
They'll get rid of it before it ever hits 100k.
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I put in my VIN and it says I am covered.
I have a 2001 CL-S with 92K (bought Jan 2005 no ext warranty) ....and I'm not sure what I need to do after reading this
I have a 2001 CL-S with 92K (bought Jan 2005 no ext warranty) ....and I'm not sure what I need to do after reading this
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I put in my VIN and it says I am covered.
I have a 2001 CL-S with 92K (bought Jan 2005 no ext warranty) ....and I'm not sure what I need to do after reading this
I have a 2001 CL-S with 92K (bought Jan 2005 no ext warranty) ....and I'm not sure what I need to do after reading this
Your best bet is to see what the car is worth to you, selling wise or keeping it. The trannies aren't that bad, on this board it seems like they are because well this is a forum board where you discuss problems. I think it was 1 in 6 have issues. It would be in your best interests to wait though, until the courts decide what to do further which I assume will swing into H/A's favor. Then you will get to 109k miles and decide again whats best for you and your CL .
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I'd have rather had a mechanic. This guy might not been under a car or changed his own oil in his life.
I'd have rather had a mechanic. This guy might not been under a car or changed his own oil in his life.