For all with tranny problems....NHTSA looks into it
12-05-2002, 04:08 PM
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For all with tranny problems....NHTSA looks into it
Found this on the TL board...sorry if its a repeat..
http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1...029872,00.html
The NHTSA opened an investigation into 2001-2003 models of the Acura 3.2 TL and 3.2 CL because of 35 complaints about transmission problems that can cause the cars to quickly lose speed and come to a stop. Two crashes and two injuries were reported. The NHTSA estimates that about 265,000 of the cars are on the road.
12-05-2002, 07:54 PM
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Like I said. Your recall is going to have to be safety related and it must come from the US Government. Not from Acura...they already did their investigation...and it seems like most people didn't care for the results (an extended tranny warranty).
If the USGovernment issues a recall, it will be for safety reasons and will have absolutely nothing to do with replacement costs, your feelings about Acura quality, how much you paid (your monthly payments), etc. The absolute most that you will get from the US Government is exactly what you are getting today as I type this: another tranny. There is nothing else the USGovernment will be able to do. You won't be getting a new Acura (which you might somehow finagle today), you won't be getting consequential damages, you won't be getting lose of use...none of this is usually involved in automobile recalls. Let's hear from the lawyers.
And you know what? It would be pretty silly to go down and get your new tranny based on a recall if you aren't having tranny problems...why try to fix something that ain't broke; it will never be the same again. So what is to gain here?
NOTHING but you showed them (Acura). IMO, a recall will only "limit" Acura's liability in the event they get sued because everyone will have been notified by mail and the negligent part in a suit will be severely curtailed. Not "eliminate" their liability, but limit it. Hehe, you don't see ANYONE new collecting on blown Firestone tires today do you? Only the people before the recall stood to gain. You stand to get a bigger settlement if you can succesfully establish liability in your accident today...tomorrow you are SOL.
So where does that leave us. A Federal recall will put a end to all the speculation, name calling, bickering, etc. And the Acura consumer will get a new transmission....just like you can already get tomorrow morning if you get off your lazy ass and stop complaining about a recall and go get a fu*king new tranny already if you really need one, yes it might take a while today but a recall is only gonna make it take longer for you to get one cause dipshits from all over creation will be wanting a new tranny.
And don't say it hasn't happened to me because my tranny is going out as we speak.... and that's why I don't believe this suddenly sh*t, mines been on the blink for months. {This last paragraph was directed towards me}
If the USGovernment issues a recall, it will be for safety reasons and will have absolutely nothing to do with replacement costs, your feelings about Acura quality, how much you paid (your monthly payments), etc. The absolute most that you will get from the US Government is exactly what you are getting today as I type this: another tranny. There is nothing else the USGovernment will be able to do. You won't be getting a new Acura (which you might somehow finagle today), you won't be getting consequential damages, you won't be getting lose of use...none of this is usually involved in automobile recalls. Let's hear from the lawyers.
And you know what? It would be pretty silly to go down and get your new tranny based on a recall if you aren't having tranny problems...why try to fix something that ain't broke; it will never be the same again. So what is to gain here?
NOTHING but you showed them (Acura). IMO, a recall will only "limit" Acura's liability in the event they get sued because everyone will have been notified by mail and the negligent part in a suit will be severely curtailed. Not "eliminate" their liability, but limit it. Hehe, you don't see ANYONE new collecting on blown Firestone tires today do you? Only the people before the recall stood to gain. You stand to get a bigger settlement if you can succesfully establish liability in your accident today...tomorrow you are SOL.
So where does that leave us. A Federal recall will put a end to all the speculation, name calling, bickering, etc. And the Acura consumer will get a new transmission....just like you can already get tomorrow morning if you get off your lazy ass and stop complaining about a recall and go get a fu*king new tranny already if you really need one, yes it might take a while today but a recall is only gonna make it take longer for you to get one cause dipshits from all over creation will be wanting a new tranny.
And don't say it hasn't happened to me because my tranny is going out as we speak.... and that's why I don't believe this suddenly sh*t, mines been on the blink for months. {This last paragraph was directed towards me}
12-05-2002, 08:16 PM
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RE: 35 postings or know cases at the NHTSA
How many Crown Victorias had burning police officers and how many reports made it to the NHTSA site?
I found:
9 1992 Crown Victoria fuel tank complaints. 0 injuries.
4 1993 fuel line complaints. 0 injuries
2 1994 fuel system complaints. 0 injuries.
3 1995 Crown Victoria fuel fuel system complaints. 0 injuries (WHILE DRIVING SLOWLY INTO GARAGE, THERE WAS A LOUD EXPLOSION, FOLLOWED BY A FIRE BALL FROM FRONT TO REAR)
3 1996 fuel systems. 1 injury (Arizona Dept of Pub. Safety)
1 1997 fuel line. 0 injury (vehicle caught on fire due to fuel line)
? 1998 fuel items ?? 0 injury
2 1999 fuel system. 0 injury (Arizona Dept unhappy about fires and office is killed, but injory==0????)
---------------------------------------------------
24 reports ? 1 injury ????
IMO, the non-orthogonal database entries make it a pain-in-the-ass to find some stats in a casual and timely fashion.
So, what about the 1 injury checked off on a "cursory" search of the NHTSA site?
I would spent a whole day making a point, but the press, and other agencies have a large impact on what happens to companies, agencies, and other folks who know there is a "turn in the road", but keep driving straight...
What does the above mean for the Acura and CLS/TLS trannies with few people reporting?
What is the real number? Does anyone know for sure without the "networks" doing a few specials on 60-minutes, Dateline, etc, etc????
You better believe that if a high profile/newsworthy accident happens, there is going to be hell to pay and a lot of microscopes going through subpoenaed records...
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/proble...n/central2.cfm
Another link that is now dead (cached):
"The Center for Auto Safety (CAS) petitions NHTSA to investigate as a public Engineering Analysis all fuel-fed crash fires in 1992-01 Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis and Lincoln Town Car regardless of the source or direction of the impact. At present, NHTSA is conducting a non-public Service Query (SQ) 01-014 limited to fires and fuel leaks "resulting from a vehicle-to-vehicle, rear biased collision where the target vehicle is a subject vehicle [1992-01 Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis and Lincoln Town Car].1
CAS has identified 75 fatal fire crashes in the subject vehicles including 32 burn deaths based on FARS identifying fire as the Most Harmful Event (MHE), litigation records, accident reports, death certificates and autopsy reports. (Attachment A.) Under the Freedom of Information Act, CAS obtained FARS runs for MHE crash fires in the subject vehicles and all other crash fires. (Attachments B and C.) A search of FARS on NHTSA's Website turned up a 68th FARS crash which has fire as MHE. (Attachment D.)"
We do NOT have the following that is listed in the paragraph above: “… litigation records, accident reports, death certificates and autopsy reports.”
How many Crown Victorias had burning police officers and how many reports made it to the NHTSA site?
I found:
9 1992 Crown Victoria fuel tank complaints. 0 injuries.
4 1993 fuel line complaints. 0 injuries
2 1994 fuel system complaints. 0 injuries.
3 1995 Crown Victoria fuel fuel system complaints. 0 injuries (WHILE DRIVING SLOWLY INTO GARAGE, THERE WAS A LOUD EXPLOSION, FOLLOWED BY A FIRE BALL FROM FRONT TO REAR)
3 1996 fuel systems. 1 injury (Arizona Dept of Pub. Safety)
1 1997 fuel line. 0 injury (vehicle caught on fire due to fuel line)
? 1998 fuel items ?? 0 injury
2 1999 fuel system. 0 injury (Arizona Dept unhappy about fires and office is killed, but injory==0????)
---------------------------------------------------
24 reports ? 1 injury ????
IMO, the non-orthogonal database entries make it a pain-in-the-ass to find some stats in a casual and timely fashion.
So, what about the 1 injury checked off on a "cursory" search of the NHTSA site?
I would spent a whole day making a point, but the press, and other agencies have a large impact on what happens to companies, agencies, and other folks who know there is a "turn in the road", but keep driving straight...
What does the above mean for the Acura and CLS/TLS trannies with few people reporting?
What is the real number? Does anyone know for sure without the "networks" doing a few specials on 60-minutes, Dateline, etc, etc????
You better believe that if a high profile/newsworthy accident happens, there is going to be hell to pay and a lot of microscopes going through subpoenaed records...
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/proble...n/central2.cfm
Another link that is now dead (cached):
"The Center for Auto Safety (CAS) petitions NHTSA to investigate as a public Engineering Analysis all fuel-fed crash fires in 1992-01 Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis and Lincoln Town Car regardless of the source or direction of the impact. At present, NHTSA is conducting a non-public Service Query (SQ) 01-014 limited to fires and fuel leaks "resulting from a vehicle-to-vehicle, rear biased collision where the target vehicle is a subject vehicle [1992-01 Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis and Lincoln Town Car].1
CAS has identified 75 fatal fire crashes in the subject vehicles including 32 burn deaths based on FARS identifying fire as the Most Harmful Event (MHE), litigation records, accident reports, death certificates and autopsy reports. (Attachment A.) Under the Freedom of Information Act, CAS obtained FARS runs for MHE crash fires in the subject vehicles and all other crash fires. (Attachments B and C.) A search of FARS on NHTSA's Website turned up a 68th FARS crash which has fire as MHE. (Attachment D.)"
We do NOT have the following that is listed in the paragraph above: “… litigation records, accident reports, death certificates and autopsy reports.”
12-05-2002, 08:18 PM
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Suzuka Master
This is basically a duplicate of a thread already in the Transmission Problems forum…
Pending deletion...
Link to "primary" NHTSA investigation thread:
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=85844
Pending deletion...
Link to "primary" NHTSA investigation thread:
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=85844
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