01, 02, Cl-S Automatic Transmission Failing Myth Or Not?
06-01-2008, 03:11 PM
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01, 02, Cl-S Automatic Transmission Failing Myth Or Not?
Like i said befor its a myth because I havent seen a problem with the automatic transmission.
06-01-2008, 03:29 PM
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From the other thread, I quote myself:
Originally Posted by e30cabrio
Skepticism works both ways. Just because someone doubts the existence of a phenomenon does not render it moot.
I have two cars effected and am telling you this exists. There are numerous posts from others and if you search you will find much more supporting data.
I hope your transmission goes 10,000,000 miles but even if it does that does not change the fact that the issue exists.
Do you think a craigslist ad would lie about the issue?
http://ithaca.craigslist.org/car/700437387.html
How about this?
http://www.hondacarforum.com/acura/2...on-recall.html
Or this:
http://www.dealtime.com/xPR-Acura_20...D-342312259204
In addition to the 2002 letter from Acura I posted above here is another from 2004:
Summer 2004
Safety Recall: CL and TL Automatic Transmission Second Gear Inspection Dear Acura Owner:
This notice is sent to you in accordance with the requirements of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act.
What is the reason for this notice?
Honda Motor Co., Ltd. has decided that a defect relating to motor vehicle safety exists in certain 2001-03 3.2CLs, 2000-03 3.2TLs, and 2004 TLs.
Certain operating conditions can result in heat buildup in the transmission second gear set and may lead to gear tooth chipping. In very rare cases, gear breakage can occur. Gear failure could result in transmission lock-up, and a crash could occur without warning.
What should you do?
Call any authorized Acura dealer and make an appointment to have your vehicle repaired. For vehicles with less than 15,000 miles, the dealer will install an oil jet kit to provide additional lubrication to the gears. For vehicles with more than 15,000 miles, the dealer will inspect the affected gear for heat discoloration, which indicates possible damage. If heat discoloration exists, the dealer will replace the transmission. If heat discoloration is not found, the dealer will install an oil jet kit. This work will be done free of charge. Please plan to leave your vehicle all day to allow the dealer flexibility in scheduling the inspection and installing the oil jet kit. If transmission replacement is needed, the work will take more than one day.
Who to contact if you experience problems.
If you are not satisfied with the service you receive from your Honda dealer, you may write to:
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Honda Automobile Customer Service
Mail Stop 500-2N-7A
1919 Torrance Blvd.
Torrance, CA 90501-2746
If you believe that American Honda or the dealer has failed or is unable to remedy the defect in your vehicle, without charge, within a reasonable period of time (60 days from the date you first contact the dealer for a repair appointment), you may submit a complaint to:
Administrator
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
400 Seventh Street, SW
Washington, DC 20590
Or call the toll-free Safety Hotline at (888) 327-4236.
What to do if you feel this notice is in error.
Our records show that you are the current owner or lessee of a 2001-03 3.2CL, 2000-03 3.2TL, or 2004 TL involved in this campaign. If this is not the case, or the name/address information is not correct, please fill out and return the enclosed, postage-paid Information Change Card. We will then update our records.
If you paid to have the transmission replaced, you may be eligible for reimbursement. Refer to the attached instructions for eligibility requirements and the reimbursement procedure.
Lessor Information.
Federal law requires that any vehicle lessor receiving this recall notice must forward a copy of this notice to the lessee within 10 days.
If you have questions.
If you have any questions about this notice, or need assistance with contacting an Acura dealer, please call Acura Client Services at (800) 382-2238, and select menu option #2.
We apologize for any inconvenience this campaign may cause you.
Sincerely,
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Acura Automobile Division
I have two cars effected and am telling you this exists. There are numerous posts from others and if you search you will find much more supporting data.
I hope your transmission goes 10,000,000 miles but even if it does that does not change the fact that the issue exists.
Do you think a craigslist ad would lie about the issue?
http://ithaca.craigslist.org/car/700437387.html
How about this?
http://www.hondacarforum.com/acura/2...on-recall.html
Or this:
http://www.dealtime.com/xPR-Acura_20...D-342312259204
In addition to the 2002 letter from Acura I posted above here is another from 2004:
Summer 2004
Safety Recall: CL and TL Automatic Transmission Second Gear Inspection Dear Acura Owner:
This notice is sent to you in accordance with the requirements of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act.
What is the reason for this notice?
Honda Motor Co., Ltd. has decided that a defect relating to motor vehicle safety exists in certain 2001-03 3.2CLs, 2000-03 3.2TLs, and 2004 TLs.
Certain operating conditions can result in heat buildup in the transmission second gear set and may lead to gear tooth chipping. In very rare cases, gear breakage can occur. Gear failure could result in transmission lock-up, and a crash could occur without warning.
What should you do?
Call any authorized Acura dealer and make an appointment to have your vehicle repaired. For vehicles with less than 15,000 miles, the dealer will install an oil jet kit to provide additional lubrication to the gears. For vehicles with more than 15,000 miles, the dealer will inspect the affected gear for heat discoloration, which indicates possible damage. If heat discoloration exists, the dealer will replace the transmission. If heat discoloration is not found, the dealer will install an oil jet kit. This work will be done free of charge. Please plan to leave your vehicle all day to allow the dealer flexibility in scheduling the inspection and installing the oil jet kit. If transmission replacement is needed, the work will take more than one day.
Who to contact if you experience problems.
If you are not satisfied with the service you receive from your Honda dealer, you may write to:
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Honda Automobile Customer Service
Mail Stop 500-2N-7A
1919 Torrance Blvd.
Torrance, CA 90501-2746
If you believe that American Honda or the dealer has failed or is unable to remedy the defect in your vehicle, without charge, within a reasonable period of time (60 days from the date you first contact the dealer for a repair appointment), you may submit a complaint to:
Administrator
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
400 Seventh Street, SW
Washington, DC 20590
Or call the toll-free Safety Hotline at (888) 327-4236.
What to do if you feel this notice is in error.
Our records show that you are the current owner or lessee of a 2001-03 3.2CL, 2000-03 3.2TL, or 2004 TL involved in this campaign. If this is not the case, or the name/address information is not correct, please fill out and return the enclosed, postage-paid Information Change Card. We will then update our records.
If you paid to have the transmission replaced, you may be eligible for reimbursement. Refer to the attached instructions for eligibility requirements and the reimbursement procedure.
Lessor Information.
Federal law requires that any vehicle lessor receiving this recall notice must forward a copy of this notice to the lessee within 10 days.
If you have questions.
If you have any questions about this notice, or need assistance with contacting an Acura dealer, please call Acura Client Services at (800) 382-2238, and select menu option #2.
We apologize for any inconvenience this campaign may cause you.
Sincerely,
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Acura Automobile Division
06-01-2008, 03:29 PM
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your right about that recall. i got this from the web site my acura..Summer 2004
Safety Recall: CL and TL Automatic Transmission Second Gear Inspection
Dear Acura Owner:
This notice is sent to you in accordance with the requirements of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act.
What is the reason for this notice?
Honda Motor Co., Ltd. has decided that a defect relating to motor vehicle safety exists in certain 2001-03 3.2CLs, 2000-03 3.2TLs, and 2004 TLs.
Certain operating conditions can result in heat buildup in the transmission second gear set and may lead to gear tooth chipping. In very rare cases, gear breakage can occur. Gear failure could result in transmission lock-up, and a crash could occur without warning.
Sorry about that guys
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06-01-2008, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jaysizzlecity
your right about that recall. i got this from the web site my acura..Summer 2004
Safety Recall: CL and TL Automatic Transmission Second Gear Inspection
Dear Acura Owner:
This notice is sent to you in accordance with the requirements of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act.
What is the reason for this notice?
Honda Motor Co., Ltd. has decided that a defect relating to motor vehicle safety exists in certain 2001-03 3.2CLs, 2000-03 3.2TLs, and 2004 TLs.
Certain operating conditions can result in heat buildup in the transmission second gear set and may lead to gear tooth chipping. In very rare cases, gear breakage can occur. Gear failure could result in transmission lock-up, and a crash could occur without warning.
Sorry about that guys
06-01-2008, 07:41 PM
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There's a forum on this very board where hundreds of people have reported their transmissions failing. My car is on it's 2nd transmission right now. Go to the TL section and you will find the same thing.
06-01-2008, 07:46 PM
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Since we've got a whole sub-forum dedicated to the auto transmisson failures, you can make your own conclusions. Most OG's here will say about 15% of the auto's have failed. There's really no way of telling exactly what the percentage is of failures, but it's more than just a couple...
When I was shopping for cars, I had thought about buying a used 01, but as soon as I found the forum here, and the automatic tranny forum, I bought a brand new 6spd to avoid the issue all together...
Some people never have a problem, and some people have gone thru several transmissions. Lady at work with an TL made it to 150K before her tranny needed replacing, so I guess that's not all that bad
When I was shopping for cars, I had thought about buying a used 01, but as soon as I found the forum here, and the automatic tranny forum, I bought a brand new 6spd to avoid the issue all together...
Some people never have a problem, and some people have gone thru several transmissions. Lady at work with an TL made it to 150K before her tranny needed replacing, so I guess that's not all that bad
06-01-2008, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CL-Slick
I took my CL in a few weeks ago to get the service history pulled, and the service manager said they have had very few CLs come in with tranny problems.
06-02-2008, 06:03 PM
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Problems with the transmission? For sure, why else would they do a design change and recall to the transmission? (See the FAQ for info about the new sprayer).
Will these problems for sure be a problem with your car? Depends on many things but mainly how the car has been driven.
One of the main things about keeping the auto transmissions going is not allowing the transmission fluid over heat till the point that the gear chips off, which locks the transmission and then bad things happen.
That being said, don't keep the car in 2nd gear beating on it for extended times. Up shift at some point! Doing so will help cool the transmission off.
Most people who don't know about the recall tend to get in the car and think Acura = Quality and SportsShift = Fun.
Ok so Acura lets you hold the car in 2nd gear but not in 1st, you think transmission failures would be greater if you could beat on the car in 1st?
From everything I have read, the problem is the transmission heating up and then the fluid loosing capacity that leads to slips that leads to chips in the gears (due to extreme conditions beyond design specs). These chips eventually (some times quickly) lead to transmission locks up.
Just my $0.02
Will these problems for sure be a problem with your car? Depends on many things but mainly how the car has been driven.
One of the main things about keeping the auto transmissions going is not allowing the transmission fluid over heat till the point that the gear chips off, which locks the transmission and then bad things happen.
That being said, don't keep the car in 2nd gear beating on it for extended times. Up shift at some point! Doing so will help cool the transmission off.
Most people who don't know about the recall tend to get in the car and think Acura = Quality and SportsShift = Fun.
Ok so Acura lets you hold the car in 2nd gear but not in 1st, you think transmission failures would be greater if you could beat on the car in 1st?
From everything I have read, the problem is the transmission heating up and then the fluid loosing capacity that leads to slips that leads to chips in the gears (due to extreme conditions beyond design specs). These chips eventually (some times quickly) lead to transmission locks up.
Just my $0.02
06-02-2008, 07:15 PM
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I just had my tranny replaced last week on my 03 with 76k and Acura covered most of it except for $500.00 and it looks like only some 03's are covered and not all. 
06-03-2008, 01:05 PM
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I am having trouble getting acura to replace my trans
18 months and the fluid has been changed 3x not to mention lumpy shifting
18 months and the fluid has been changed 3x not to mention lumpy shifting
06-03-2008, 01:14 PM
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the problem extends to accord as well. you'd have to be a fuckin idiot to have never heard of the tranny problems. I'm on my second tranny myself. My other accord went through 2 trannies as well. Along with COUNTLESS other people i know.
06-04-2008, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jaysizzlecity
Like i said befor its a myth because I havent seen a problem with the automatic transmission.
06-05-2008, 05:20 PM
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I don't consider google results a valid test if something is a myth or not. The CL and TL are the same platform but they are NOT the same car. There are MANY design differences between a 2003 TL and a 2003 CL that may not be obvious to someone who hasn't worked on both.
Like any two cars from the same company, they have similarities (especially since they are on the same platform) but the CL isn't just a 2 door TL.
Like any two cars from the same company, they have similarities (especially since they are on the same platform) but the CL isn't just a 2 door TL.
06-05-2008, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by colemab
I don't consider google results a valid test if something is a myth or not. The CL and TL are the same platform but they are NOT the same car. There are MANY design differences between a 2003 TL and a 2003 CL that may not be obvious to someone who hasn't worked on both.
Like any two cars from the same company, they have similarities (especially since they are on the same platform) but the CL isn't just a 2 door TL.
Like any two cars from the same company, they have similarities (especially since they are on the same platform) but the CL isn't just a 2 door TL.
approaching 90,000 miles and haven't had any slipping, so am crossing my fingers
06-06-2008, 01:50 AM
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alot of people have tranny probs...some dont.....like myself, mine is fine..... i try very hard not to use sport shift at all and try not to beat my car up with all the crazy driving..its still running strong at 105k..... 01 cl-s..... its not whether its a myth or not, its if you maintain your car right and lucky....some people get some messed up trannys to begin with since they got that defect.... after the oil jet replacement, its not guaranteed 100 percent problem proof, but should knock out a good percentage of the problems..... but once again, its not problem proof....you can get unlucky and have a bad tranny install and end up having a prob again....
06-16-2008, 09:44 PM
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Mine slush box is a toast . It just fails to engage on 3rd gear when it gets warm. I ll take it out and see myself whats left of it! No more Honda products! Despite recall, dealerships had been instructed to deny existing transmission problems! I spoke with maybe 5 different dilership service managers and they lie straight into your face. Thats big time BS from Honda!
06-16-2008, 09:50 PM
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whats up with honda trannies,i had a chevy lumina for gods sake and for 6 effing months i revved that shit to max on N and switched to D EVERYDAY,and after all that i never even noticed the tranny shift,on my 1st gen CL however the car swings back two fkin miles then booom changes gear,thats great acura
06-16-2008, 10:19 PM
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im a believer that its only us on this forum and whoever else abuses their car and tranny that see problems! but this can never be proved for we dont know if all the old ladies with CL's in the world have had problems when they drive their cars slow. it is us modding and flooring the thing that does it!
oh and there are so many cars that when abused have tranny problems...
oh and there are so many cars that when abused have tranny problems...
06-16-2008, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by '01White3.2CL
im a believer that its only us on this forum and whoever else abuses their car and tranny that see problems! but this can never be proved for we dont know if all the old ladies with CL's in the world have had problems when they drive their cars slow. it is us modding and flooring the thing that does it!
oh and there are so many cars that when abused have tranny problems...
oh and there are so many cars that when abused have tranny problems...
That's why I got 1200.00 of the 1400.00 back through small claims court, the 22k miles worth of invoices I had showing "cust states transmission has problems please diagnose" followed by "No problem found" This was on every service and recall (ball joint, ignition etc) every time I took the car to the dealer.
06-16-2008, 10:30 PM
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however in general..i dont think ''cars'' are made to be floored at all..especially at a street turn...ya u know what im talking abot,when u finsih ur trn ur already doing 40 mph lol.ok thats it im officially gonna stop at 3 rpm 
and theres always the crappi built parts that need recalls,its a matter of trial and error really
and theres always the crappi built parts that need recalls,its a matter of trial and error really
06-17-2008, 10:42 AM
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That's how i drive sometimes fast and hard. I love it when it rans so i can take the VSA off and spin the wheels. Try it yo its fun..... 
06-17-2008, 11:24 AM
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This issue has been beaten to death, and our cars can take a beating, its just some cars are affected and some are not, this thread is stupid, lock please, lol 
06-19-2008, 06:56 PM
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I don't drive aggressive at all, but I'm on my 3rd tranny, and have about 80K miles total.
I barely even use sportshift, maybe a couple of times a year.
- Frank
I barely even use sportshift, maybe a couple of times a year.
- Frank
06-20-2008, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ChodTheWacko
I don't drive aggressive at all, but I'm on my 3rd tranny, and have about 80K miles total.
I barely even use sportshift, maybe a couple of times a year.
- Frank
I barely even use sportshift, maybe a couple of times a year.
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