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'98 Dakar Yellow ///M3
Surprise @ Forums atwww.BMWExperience.com
0-60 5.53 sec G-Tech
Picture here

prikid

stock tires.
They suck

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'01 CL Silver CLS
I don't trust Gtech anymore.

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

Stock... fine so far. Decent all around (snow, wet, dry, etc.) and the wear is good, so I'm happy with them....



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1998 Iced Blue CL 3.0 ** Some mods, but who cares, I want a Type-S!!

Moderator - 1st Gen Forum
Email: juniorbean@acura-cl.com

Technique

toyo T1-S proxes. Best tires I've ever owned.

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Silver CL-S w/ Navi, Spoiler, Wheel Locks, Trunk Tray, 19169, 9005
Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1-S Proxes on 17X8 SSR Competition Wheels (47.2 lbs lighter than stock wheel+tire setup)
Comptech Sways
G-Tech (Full tank of gas, 60F, VSA off, SS) - 5.94 seconds
V-1 Hardwired

Caddy©

So, tell me why is it that a 200 Dollar tire can SUCK so bad; I'm sure there are "stickier" tires out there, and I'm by no means in "the know" about all the performance types of tires and the finer points of detail when it comes to this point and that point on a given tire, but Surely you don't mean the New Michelin SUCKS as bad as you imply !



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2001 CL-S Silver
Comptech Headers
Comptech Sways
14 % Tint
Viper 550 Alarm

Rod

I agree that the stock tires suck, they lose grip too easily and are scary in the rain.

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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type S
Satin Silver Metallic/Ebony

Still freaking stock.

moomaster_99

Yeah they do. Ths stock tires are touring type tires...good all around, bur push the performance envelope...and it goes to shit..it squeals, whines, and screams!! It's only $200 because its OEM...and designed specifically for the TYPE-S by Michelin. I have them in front...because there's still good tread on them....but i have re730s in the back. Best bang for the buck tire out there...of course there are better tires, but only like 2-3 and they all cost at least $50 more per tire.

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2001 Cl-S Black on Black with Navigation
Black Tint all around (15%~45%)
Weapon-R Dragon Filter
Weapon-R Coil-Overs
Koni Adjustable Struts
Comptech Sway Bars
Comptech Headers (hehehe...I got something for you drchang!!)
14.698 @95.977mph....Sears Point Raceway.I think I need a Level 10 Torque Converter!!
Yes, I know I'm going to hell for wasting gas on Civics....
My Peoples

jhouse

I have potenza re730...I love them.

j

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2001 CL-S Satin Silver/Ebony
Factory Spoiler/Potenza RE730 235/45/17 on stock rims/18% Tint/BEL Vector LR Radar(Hardwired)/Cool Mesh Grill
No MODS...It's fast enough!

JZ

Potenza RE730's. Awesome all around including price.

The stock tires on this car were the worst tires I have ever had the displeasure of driving on.

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Black/black CLS
Comptech headers, springs, swaybars
Koni yellows
Polarg M6 road lamps
Solaris Hi beams
Potenza RE730 225/45/17
Red AEM CAI
Denso Iridium plugs
35% metallic tint

goldn1

ditto.
I want Potenza's like JZ one of these days!

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2001 Acura CL Type S, black/ebony, spoiler, 35% tint, V1, comptech springs, weather mats, polarg m-6 road lamps, piaas everywhere else
aim:silvn1
goldn1

[This message has been edited by goldn1 (edited 06-11-2001).]

sigs21

How are those in the SNOW>>> WET >> the tread looks nice..

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01- Acura CL silver 3.2-s
20% tint 35%front window
Bose Mods.. Mod's to come headers and springs

Closer

Michelin Pilot Sports.
Bestest!

EricL

I love the Toyo T1S Proxies. Great in dry, wet, and on the freeway with tons of water coming down at speed.

My own opinion/comments:

Some very expensive tires that end up on BMWs and other cars get there for reasons other than their being the "best" tire. For example, if brand "X" can say, we come with a Viper, or a BMW, they can convince a lot of people to pay double for a tire that they can get for half price. It seems obvious, doesn't it -- how many times have I seen someone say, well, "Brand X comes on the Viper and BMW, so it must be the best."

(Before I get jumped -- it is just an opinion, and think about it a bit...)

By this same logic, we got some of the most "confused" tires ever put on a car. They work in snow (kind of), but they tread is designed in a way that makes handling in water terrible (not to mention new pavement).
Look at the stock MXM4 tread pattern -- it looks like it is pushing the water back on itself, causing it to float up in heavy water.


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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 10 coats of Zaino magic

4thGSi

I just got my tires last week Kumho Ecsta Supra 225/45/17. Damn it's like night and day between the stock Michellin and Kumho..Check out tirerack they had a good review of the Kumho Tires..

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1990Si
2001CL-S

SidVicious

Ditto!
I think I'm gonna get the T1-S Proxes when the stock rubber wears out.

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SidVicious
2001 CL Type S w/ NAV in Silver | Wheel Locks | Front Plate (Mounted in the Trunk) | Mobil 1 | Polarg M6 | K&N Filter (Mounted in the Trunk til the old one wears out) | Comptech Sways (on the way) | Sungard Tint (35%,20%) on 6/9/01

1992 Ford Ranger XLT in Silver | F-150 Springs | 3" Body Lift | K&N Filter | Flowmaster Exhaust |

{insert "Green Box 4 Mod!" gif here}

[This message has been edited by SidVicious (edited 06-11-2001).]

Al Uminum

Are they quiet when up to speed?

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"01" CL Type-S
White\Black
Comptech Springs
Comptech Sways
17x7.5 BBS RX Rims
K&N Dropin AF
Navigation System
Burlwood Shifter
Guards+Fenderwell Trim
PIAA16969
Smokers Package
My Car

lead_sled_dog

Okay, save me the math stuff (in spite of the fact my college degree is in Math) ... since you went with the 235/45/17 on stock rims, is your speedometer still correct? If not, how much is it off + or -? Thanks.



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Rex -
'01 CL Type S - Satin Silver, Navi, BBS RK, Comptech Sways coming soon
Lic: THX CBOE

EricL

The percent will be slightly "-". It depends on the tire manufacturer and exact tire make. You would think that all 235/45-17 tires have the same rolling radius under load -- wrong!!!!

Simple answer (with the Toyos, the 235/45-17 are so close to the stock tires, that it is hard to tell).


The RE-730 in a 235/45-17 has a revs per mile of 819 vs the stock tire's 823.

So, the speedo will show about 1% hot. (If the speedo was perfect, and you were showing 100 MPH with the stock tires, you would be doing 99 MPH with the RE-730s)

OK -- NO MATH...


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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 10 coats of Zaino magic

[This message has been edited by EricL (edited 06-11-2001).]

lead_sled_dog

Eric,

Thanks.



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Rex -
'01 CL Type S - Satin Silver, Navi, BBS RK, Comptech Sways coming soon
Lic: THX CBOE

Chris

i love my tires

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Acura 3.2CL Type-S w/ Navigation
Black/Ebony

H&R Sport Springs | Pirelli P7000 Supersport 235/40ZR17 on stock rims | Neuspeed Tower Strut Bar | Custom CAI | Cleared Headlights, PIAA 19169 | Tint all around | Mesh Grill | Dual 12'' Alpine Type-S Subs | Kenwood KAC-728S Amp | RÄZO real carbon pedals

Acuraman

M3Sins: I just (500 miles ago) put on the TOYO Proxes T1S 235/45-17 on new rims and so far I really like them. MUCH better than stock tires on road-holding/cornering. I think they are a great value for what they are. I paid $165/ea + $25/ea mounting & balancing.

sigs21: The TOYO Proxes T1S are supposed to be really good for wet (rain) traction and anti-hydroplaning. I can't say I have personal experience with that statement since I have not driven them in hard rain as of yet, it's just what I have read. They are SUMMER only and should pretty much SUCK in snow -- not made for that. I have kept the stock rims/tires and plan on putting them back on for yet another Pennsylvania winter coming up.

lead_sled_dog: I am fairly sure that the % difference in speedometer reading is only about 1/2% to the slower (indicated speed is more than actual) since the overall diameter difference between the 215/50 and the 235/45 is only about 1/10".

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Sundance Gold Metallic CL-S, 2001
Tint 35% Tint x Five Windows
Amp/Sub/Speakers/EQ
Remote Starter
Xephyr CAI
Toyo Proxes T1-S 235/45zr17
Zenetti Valeo 17 X 8 Chromes
Painted Calipers (soon)
Treats: Zaino

[This message has been edited by Acuraman (edited 06-11-2001).]

EricL

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lead_sled_dog: I am fairly sure that the % difference in speedometer reading is only about 1/2% to the slower (indicated speed is more than actual) since the overall diameter difference between the 215/50 and the 235/35 is only about 1/10".
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I'm sure you meant 235/45-17. The point I was making is...

The Miatta and other Tire calculators don't take the actual tire into consideration. To get the exact speed difference (or a closer match), you can go to the tire's Revs Per Mile and use that to get a better idea of the difference.

If you look through the different makes of tires, they will have different "Revs Per Mile" and "Overall Diameters" despite the fact that they are all 235/45-17 tires.

Here is the Math for the RE-730 in a 235/45-17 vs the stock MXM4 in 215/50-17 using the data from Tire rack for each exact make of tire:

813 / 823.0 = .9878493317

So, at 100 MPH (indicated), the RE-730 would be actually going 98.8 MPH (-1.2%)


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Here is "exact" data for the TOYO T1S Proxies in 235/45-17 vs the MXM4 215/50-17:

818 / 823.0 = .9939246659

With the Toyo T1S, the 100 MPH (indicated) would actually be 99.4 MPH. (-0.6%)


DIFFERENT TIRES/MAKE --> DIFFERENT results!!

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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 10 coats of Zaino magic

[This message has been edited by EricL (edited 06-11-2001).]

Acuraman

EricL: YES, thanks! I most certainly meant 235/45-17. I edited my post to reflect that. Good catch bud!