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Old 03-10-2011, 04:11 PM
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tire psi for best handling

Is it true that having the rear tires at lower psi than the front will help handling on FWD cars? I'm thinking this is more for understeer rather than launching benefits, but any input would be interesting to hear.
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well if u think of the physics by having less firm rear tires that would equal some sway that otherwise would otherwise b counteracted by the PSI in the tire.

I believe it would increase oversteer IE. the rear end moves more with the turn of the wheel.

understeer is when u turn and it's like nothing happened and the car pushes through the turn.

Personally i wouldn't touch tire pressure unless it's for dragging. and BTW I'd go to 20-25psi for the fronts so u can stick the launch.

I did that at the track and got a .3 better 1/4 mile. the lower the tire pressure the more it sticks (but handling is decreased tho) so u only do this for straight line
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i wouldnt do 20 psi at the track. too much drag at higher speed. 25-28 psi on all season tires works for me. now if u got slicks thats a diff story.

for dd i keep 38-40psi

auto x between 32-34psi depending on the track
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depends on what you are trying to do.
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progression, what you said all makes sense. Im thinking I might need to lower my pressure a little bit. Trying to help out with the launch(wheelhop), but don't want to have handling in turns suffer drastically either. My tires have 33psi recommended so rajca, what would you say the best psi should be at? Mostly street driving with hard launches.
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I would not go below 36 on a 40 series tire if your mostly street.
All out draging then sure low 30's on a street tire.
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235-40-18
I run 38 cold at all times all 4 tires.
I have no problems with handling, or braking. Wheelhop is normal for this car so you live with it the best you can. I was still getting it at the track with 25PSI.
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I run 42 in my front and 40 in the rear and the only time my cars tires make noise is if there spinning.
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I run 32psi all around 235/40/18. But i may bump it to 35-38 psi.
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I'm gonna put mine at 30 in front, 33 in back.
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y so low? and u want more in front bc of weight
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does anyone fill their tires with nitrogen? I got a thing in the mail not long ago from my acura dealer saying they now have a nitrous tire filling machine and will top off the tires for a year included in price.
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Ive had nitrogen in my tires. Not sure what the benefits are.
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nitrogen is lighter in weight than air
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Originally Posted by brian6speed
"my acura dealer saying they now have a nitrous tire filling machine"
Do they give you these?
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Q: Is there any advantage to using nitrogen instead of compressed air in tires? Will I notice improved fuel economy or a smoother ride? Will my tires last longer?

A: Sort of. From the top: Air is 78 percent nitrogen, just under 21 percent oxygen, and the rest is water vapor, CO2 and small concentrations of noble gases such as neon and argon. We can ignore the other gases.

There are several compelling reasons to use pure nitrogen in tires.

First is that nitrogen is less likely to migrate through tire rubber than is oxygen, which means that your tire pressures will remain more stable over the long term. Racers figured out pretty quickly that tires filled with nitrogen rather than air also exhibit less pressure change with temperature swings. That means more consistent inflation pressures during a race as the tires heat up. And when you're tweaking a race car's handling with half-psi changes, that's important.

Passenger cars can also benefit from the more stable pressures. But there's more: Humidity (water) is a Bad Thing to have inside a tire. Water, present as a vapor or even as a liquid in a tire, causes more of a pressure change with temperature swings than dry air does. It also promotes corrosion of the steel or aluminum rim.

If I ever need to top off a tire when I'm out on the road, I'll always briefly depress the tire chuck's valve with my thumbnail and vent some air. If my thumb gets wet, there's water in the line. Some gas stations don't do a very good job of keeping the humidity out of their air system. I don't even like to use a water-based tire-mounting lubricant unless I can let the tire bake in the sun for a couple of hours before I air it up and seat the bead. I've dismounted tires (not mine) that had several quarts of water inside—probably from a compressed-air hose that collected water and was never purged properly.

How is water relevant to a nitrogen discussion? Any system that delivers pure nitrogen is also going to deliver dry nitrogen. Filling tires with nitrogen involves filling and purging several times in succession, serially diluting the concentration of oxygen in the tire. This will also remove any water.

It's certainly simple, although time-consuming, for a tire technician to fill and bleed tires. But most shops use a machine that not only generates almost pure nitrogen by straining the oxygen out of shop-compressed air, but will also automatically go through several purge cycles unattended. Some shops have been charging as much as $30 per tire for this service. I think that's too much. If you're buying a new tire, it should be far less. Still, the nitrogen generator, filling system and technician's time aren't free—the dealer is entitled to some return for that.

So, to answer your specific questions: With nitrogen, your tire pressures will remain more constant, saving you a small amount in fuel and tire-maintenance costs. There will be less moisture inside your tires, meaning less corrosion on your wheels. You will not be able to feel any difference in the ride or handling or braking, unless your tire pressures were seriously out of spec and changing to nitrogen brought them back to the proper numbers.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...stions/4302788
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I'm not a believer in nitrogen. Air has worked fine for a century.
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