Car won't start on cold mornings..

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Old Nov 9, 2017 | 03:38 PM
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Angry Car won't start on cold mornings..

Ok I have an odd issue and could use some help; you'll need to read the entire explanation here as it's really odd and I'm having trouble tracing the root cause.

In temperatures below about 30F, when I come out to my 2G CL-S and try to start it: if the car has sat for 2-3 days, the battery will be dead or near dead. If only 1 day, it's usually about 65% "alive" and the car starts with a little struggle - I can hear the difference.

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  1. Battery is an Optima Red about 2 years old and has tested by local auto shop as a "good" battery (holds a charge)
  2. Alternator died on a me a few years ago and I had it re-habbed from a local shop - once reinstalled, appears to be working fine. And a local auto shop tested it out late last year as working correctly/"good"
  3. I have no Mods and swapped out fuses a few years ago because they were just old and I had an issue with one fuse about 7 years ago that left me stranded at my parent's house for days until my Dad and I figured out a fuse needed replaced solely due to age/worn contacts (fuse was not blown)

I'm puzzled .. yes the car is old (my wife's explanation) but my other vehicle doesn't have this problem, and this started about a year ago, so I'm not sure what the hell is going on - something is wrong. I suppose it could be a parasitic draw from an old relay.

I don't think it's the starter - the only solution (root cause) I can think of is to have a local Honda dealer (no Acura dealer close by) run diagnostics on both the battery and alternator at the same time and give me a report. Could they trace a potential parasitic draw for me or am I looking at a big cost for that service?

Thoughts if anyone else has had this issue with this car or another vehicle?
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Old Nov 12, 2017 | 06:38 AM
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Sometimes happens to me as well, especially now that the temperature is dropping in NY. Haven't really diagnosed it but my gut tells me it's the battery.
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Old Nov 12, 2017 | 07:50 PM
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sounds like you could have a draw. or could simply be a simple starter/battery problem. does it click when trying to start? like a low voltage click? do all the accessories work with key on engine off?
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Old Nov 12, 2017 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 03-6/6
sounds like you could have a draw. or could simply be a simple starter/battery problem. does it click when trying to start? like a low voltage click? do all the accessories work with key on engine off?
Yes there could be a parasitic drain somewhere - I'm pulling relays this weekend after replacing all the fuses months ago which didn't help.

There isn't any clicking when I try to start, so I highly doubt it's the starter BUT the starter is original. Does the starter always give the clicks when it's dying?

All the accessories work with key on/engine off.
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Old Nov 13, 2017 | 06:49 PM
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it just depends. sometimes it wont give you any feedback and sometimes it just clicks.
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Old Nov 13, 2017 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 03-6/6
it just depends. sometimes it wont give you any feedback and sometimes it just clicks.
Do failures exhibit themselves based on lower temperature? I have ZERO problems 3 months out of the year...
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Old Nov 15, 2017 | 05:55 PM
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Cold weather plays hell on batteries.. Ditch the Optima and get something like an Interstate.
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Old Nov 15, 2017 | 06:15 PM
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Is the Optima a poor battery?! I kinda doubt that based on my research that led to the purchase..
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Old Nov 16, 2017 | 04:59 AM
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My experience with Optima was they are junk. This is my experience only, do what you will. Replaced 3 under warranty in my Camaro. Finally put a battery disconnect switch in. My Optimas did NOT like any sort of parasitic drain.
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Old Nov 16, 2017 | 08:43 AM
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Why not just fix the parasitic draw ?
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Old Nov 16, 2017 | 09:02 AM
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The more I read about these Optima Red Tops, the more I'm seeing bad reviews at how they fail in 3 years or less.

I'm still 8 months from the 3 year mark, so I'm going to call Optima today and get a free replacement but next year this time, I'm going to replace it with a different brand/type of battery.

Thanks all
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Old Nov 16, 2017 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by thoiboi
Why not just fix the parasitic draw ?
Because racecar. With at least 8 other cars to drive and maintain, tracing down a parasitic drain was not high on my priority list.
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Old Nov 16, 2017 | 09:39 PM
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Amazon gave me a full refund today on the Red Top; after some research, looks like the heavy duty 24F Everstart with 750 CCA is my next battery.
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Old Nov 17, 2017 | 12:49 PM
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Everstart,,, like Walmart brand? Please say no... Once again, just my opinion.
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