2002 Acura CL type S

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 03:21 PM
  #1  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Unhappy 2002 Acura CL type S


Have an Issue I am having problems putting my finger on the cause of it. I am getting 8 different engine codes
p0300, p0302, p0303, p0304, p0305, p0306, p1399

Also Seem to have a oil leak in VTEC range coming from what appears to be a solenoid at the front right end of the motor says siemens EE01 388320 on it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I am currently running Bosch Iridium Fusion Plugs and Synthetic Mobil One for Oil
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 07:17 PM
  #2  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
FYI, those plugs arent recommended by members on here. Im not saying their bad or thats the source of your problem.
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 07:56 PM
  #3  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Realized I was going to have to pull them anyway. But wondering why i am burning oil and leaking oil out of said solenoid it seems like just started today. Where is the vtec solenoid located.

I figure the plugs are the cause of the misfire.
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 07:59 PM
  #4  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
pull a plug out a see whats going on. See if its burnt, wet, etc. you can tell a lot about the condition of a car from the condition of the plugs.
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 12:20 AM
  #5  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Thanks for the information looking at the pricing on doing a 3.5L Conversion incase it needs to be rebuilt. Thanks for the Info. Just need to figure how to tell what solenoid or whatever it is thats marked seimens EE01 388320 on the top of it. Thanks
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 12:14 PM
  #6  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
well that number wont help me too much. could you post a pic and point it out to me?
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 12:33 PM
  #7  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Unhappy The PICS of the whatever it is



http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...lbumID=2065582
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 05:04 PM
  #8  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
it says invalid album ID for this user.

you need to post pics by [img] http://blahblahblah [/img] but no spaces.
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 06:42 PM
  #9  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
I seem not to be able to get them to post



Last edited by 02NighthawkCL-S; Jun 19, 2009 at 06:45 PM.
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 06:46 PM
  #10  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
www.myspace.com/austinw2000


it is under acura issues in my pics
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 07:44 PM
  #11  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
read the sticky about how to post pics. its easy.
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 07:57 PM
  #12  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
i dont have the time just trying to figure out if i need to by another motor
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 08:27 PM
  #13  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
well after reviewing the photos, the part your pointing at is the EGR valve. Part number 18011-PGE-A00 from Acura. My local dealer sells it for $99.71.

also from the pictures, there seems to be a whole lot of oil in that area. Is that all from the valve? There isnt supposed to be all that oil around there, like on that breather tube and coolant lines there.


Old Jun 19, 2009 | 09:59 PM
  #14  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
would the egr valve cause oil to dump back into the motor in the combustion chamber yeah it was alot more i cleaned it all off with degreaser
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 10:18 PM
  #15  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
According to the CEL codes, you have:
P0300 Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
P0302 Cylinder 2 Misfire Detected
P0303 Cylinder 3 Misfire Detected
P0304 Cylinder 4 Misfire Detected
P0305 Cylinder 5 Misfire Detected
P0306 Cylinder 6 Misfire Detected
P1399 is also a misfire code

I dont know if the EGR valve is related but if oil is coming from there, then I would replace the gasket under the EGR valve since there were no codes thrown for the EGR valve specifically. Also pull the plugs out and replace it with NGK iridiums. A lot of people use the cheaper Iridium IX versus the Lazer Iridium but the lazer iridiums are OE.
you can just tell the dealer you need the gasket under the EGR valve and they should know. Or I can look up the part number for you
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:03 PM
  #16  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
yeah i could not find the 1399 code only thing i could find made no since. i said something about a glowplug and i know only diesels used glow plugs
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:45 PM
  #17  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
go do what I said and report back to me
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 12:48 AM
  #18  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
ok can i make one out of gasket paper i dont want to drive it to the dealer due to being 90 miles away.
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 12:53 PM
  #19  
NSXNEXT's Avatar
Senior Moderator
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 27,921
Likes: 1,080
From: where the weather suits my clothes
Is there a Honda dealer near you?
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 01:28 PM
  #20  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
is the oil leak from the EGR valve that bad? cause it seems like the misfire should be your biggest concern. and obtaining the right plugs is easy, just visit your nearest auto parts store and ask for the NGK Irdidium IX plugs for your car.

Post #3.5k
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 01:33 PM
  #21  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
No honda dealer near me same on distance. I am trying to work out every possibility. I have an issue that its leaking and burning 2 qts every 90 miles. So yeah its a little more important.
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 01:47 PM
  #22  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
wow i cant believe the leak is that bad. and no acura dealer either?

if your waiting, might as well go out and get the plugs then and do those.
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 03:28 PM
  #23  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
well i guess this may not fix it i was told over at .net it sounds like i have some screwed pistons(blown Ringlands) so i am looking at replacement. thanks for the information
Old Jun 20, 2009 | 03:29 PM
  #24  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
where can i get a good quality low mileage used engine from for a decent price
Old Jun 21, 2009 | 12:09 AM
  #25  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
check local recycle yards or craigslist for part outs. you should be able to get one for under 1k for sure.
sorry to hear about the engine. I wished it would have been an easy fix as R&R the plugs and the EGR valve gasket.
Old Jun 21, 2009 | 04:39 AM
  #26  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
yeah everything else put on hold till fixed and running
Old Jun 21, 2009 | 12:50 PM
  #27  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
i have about a 1/4 of a quart of motor oil sitting in the intake manifold. 3 front plugs are blackened with burnt oil. have not taken the time to pull the rears but havea feeling they are the same
Old Jun 21, 2009 | 01:50 PM
  #28  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
that oil sitting in the wells on the intake mani are kinda normal, it happens if you dont have a catch can. I had a few pools of oil when i took off the silver plate and my engine runs great.

just see if a buddy or something can take you to the parts store and get you the plugs you need. then you need to get to the acura dealer and pick up that gasket. i wouldnt drive around with good plugs and that bad oil leak, sounds like the oil could be going into the cylinders.

or are you just gonna give up on the motor all together and get a new one without trying to fix this one?
Old Jun 21, 2009 | 02:59 PM
  #29  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
mine is also burning oil like no tomorrow since this has happened. looked to see if floated a valve on the front since i had an oil soaked spark plug and looks like i floated the intakes on that side and the exhaust on another cylinder
Old Jun 21, 2009 | 04:15 PM
  #30  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
damn, if you dont wanna fix that cause it might be expensive then i would look into getting another engine. you could get one for 500-1k dollars, but i dunno how much labor would be. any idea if you know how this happened?
Old Jun 21, 2009 | 05:19 PM
  #31  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
debating mdx 3.5L in place of it will obviously loose 20hp but gain about 15lbs of torque can get one for 500 before shipping


found a 3.2l j32A2 for 800 before shipping guaranteed less than 85000 miles on it.
Old Jun 21, 2009 | 08:42 PM
  #32  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
how many miles on the 3.5?
and do you have the know-how to do a 3.5 swap? not sure if you can just bolt it straight on and still use the original ECU. do a search on it, maybe you'll come up with something
Old Jun 21, 2009 | 10:04 PM
  #33  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
found someone on that said i could use the j35a3 and a4 and only j32a2 just remove the intake plenum spacer as far as i know. may have to end up with a FIC installed on it. about the same mileage
Old Jun 21, 2009 | 10:05 PM
  #34  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
106000
Old Jun 21, 2009 | 11:33 PM
  #35  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
its your call then. there is a thread on the 2G CL homepage about someone else doing a fresh build. I would think that the J32A2 would be the easiest to swap in without modification and it has lower miles. but its up to you.
Old Jun 22, 2009 | 12:42 AM
  #36  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
so do i and no power loss just found one for dirt cheap in cali. with 72 thou on it. that way i aint worrying if i decide to comptech s/c it later also.
Old Jun 22, 2009 | 03:22 AM
  #37  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
so your going with another J32A2?
where is the motor now in cali? cause im in cali. im just curious cause i like about 30 min away from one of the nations largest auto recycle areas.
Old Jun 22, 2009 | 04:42 AM
  #38  
blackasscls's Avatar
Racer
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 368
Likes: 0
It seems really unlikely that your engine is toast. I can't see anything that could possibly do this much damage. As far as the oil everywhere you should check your breather tubs and whatnot, it seems more or less that they are leaking oil everywhere.

Is there any smoke coming out of your exhaust? If its blue, yeah its oil. If its white then coolant.

As far as the misfire goes you may just have 1 bad coil pack, this is exactly what happened to another member on here named StonedCL, It would cause all of your cylinders to misfire.

Worst case scenario your headgasket is blown, With an auto cl with a rev limiter and no extensive modifications I haven't read about anyones rings going bad or valves floating. Good luck and check all those things out before looking at engines, it may be a smaller problem then you think. Have you done all the maintanance on your car regarding timing?
Old Jun 23, 2009 | 01:37 AM
  #39  
02NighthawkCL-S's Avatar
Thread Starter
B A N N E D
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
i just bought the car so the maintenance since i have bought it has been done top notch. But its burning and blowing out 2 to 3 quarts of oil. Plugs are soaked so i have blow by somewhere. I either have a blown valve seals or a blown ring because it had a spark knock before hand. My maintenance normally gets done ahead of time anyway. ITS BLOWING OIL OUT OF THE EGR well normal cause of EGR Blow By is Blown RINGS. I have 90 dollars worth of toasted plugs also. K&N drop in air filter with more 5w 20 Synthetic Mobil One in it then in the motor due to blow by.

Whats bad is there is not enough 600 miles on the plugs and oil change. Whats left of the oil that is.
Old Jun 23, 2009 | 11:56 AM
  #40  
aznboi2424's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,287
Likes: 209
From: Elk Grove, CA
still dont get how this could have happened. I dont think an engine just randomly blows its valve seals or seal rings especially since you keep good maintainance on it. do you know why this happened? did you try to fix it yet by replacing the EGR valve or gasket and get the new plugs?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:24 AM.