BlkTypeS

Thanks Mehoff!........

Dem1K

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Ok everybody, I FINALLY figured out how to work my camera correctly in the night. Before, the colors came out a little funky and the picture seemed grainy. So hopefully these pictures clear things up for everybody.

Mini Cooper w/ HIDs on right, Mine w Philips Ultinon 6000k on left


Mini Cooper w/ HIDs during warm-up


Mine during warm-up


Mine during warm-up (almost finished)


Mine, after being warmed up


My light up close


Mini Cooper w/ HIDs up close


Mine


Mine


Mine


Lighting up the road (after being warmed up)


`John

Dem1K

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Ok, I ended up taking some better pictures after figuring out how to work my digi camera. I will host them as thumbnails in which you can click them for the hi-res.

Mini Cooper w/ HIDs (right), Me w/ Philips Ultinon 6000k (right)


Me lighting up the road


Cooper HIDs during warm-up


Mine during warm-up


Mine, warmed up


My headlight, up close


Mine up close again


Cooper headlight, up close


Mine


Mine


I thought this was cool


`John

aspar

thanks for the pics, looks good.... I think im gonna order them.

TranceFusion

very nice!

AMorgCLS

Fuk yeah! Just ordered my 6000k just now. THANKS!!!!!

Tousij2

Let me know when you get new foglights what you went with I want to get ones to match headlights.
JT

aspar

you'll have to do an HID conversion.... unless you want to spend about $1500 on PIAA's HID fogs

mrquattro

ultinons are not legal, btw.

AMorgCLS

Back from the dead Yeah I got the Philips D2R 6500 and have loved them over the 4100K stock. Dem1K, I couldnt find 6000K Osrams you were referring to, so I got 6500K Philips.

MQMH_03

Where is a good place to buy thse PIAA 19224 bulbs at?

All Mine

I had 4500K in my 5th gen Accord, and wasn't ever bothered by the police. I think it depends on if the officer wants to bug you or not. I think I want some of those bulbs. THey're a slightly more bluish tint then the 4100k our stockies came with. Anybody know what ones the Evo's come with? Those are what I want to upgrade to. I want to say they're 4900k, but I could be wrong.

PiMpiN wHITe Cl-S

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sorry off topic but whats a good 6000K bulb to replace with to achieve a purplish blue color.

would the 6000k be a direct replacement of the oem bulbs?

Andy Van Slyke

you do realize that you're output has gone up the shit becasue you've used a kelvin rated bulbs the outputs less light? to be honest,If you don't get headaches after long periods of driving i'll be very surprised!

I use to be a ricer like yourself but got sick of the vomit like output my ricey 6000k kit gave me! Do yourself a favour and read up on the net before you go wasting money on kits! in a llot of instances you'll turn your car into a glare machine because it isn't designed to output HID light.

you may be impressed by his pretty pictures but ask anyone who knows anything about lights and they'll tell you this thread should be stickied as "what not do when wanting hid's"

/The truth never lies!

Long Live the slykster!

mrquattro

Nice one!! If anyone needs correct information, visit www.hidplanet.com

mrdeeno

you said it...

i had the same ultinon bulbs in my cl-s until I decided to get rid of the car after it was jacked and totaled by the insurance co.. Still have teh bulbs though.

In the rain, but more specifically when roads are wet, it sometimes feels like my headlights aren't even on.

I think it has something to do with the color temperature and road markings being wet. I think the yellow reflects better than blue, so the road markings at least reflect the light when wet with the more yellowish 4300k's. But with the 6000k bulbs, there's less reflection off the wet road and markings, so it's a tad more difficult to see them.

As i grow older and my night vision grows worse, I think there'll be a day when I wouldn't be able to use 6000k bulbs. I'm only 27 so I have a bit to go yet.

I think that's the reason any HID bulb over stock 4300-4500k aren't street legal.

mrdeeno

It's not illegal to buy 6000k bulbs and it's not illegal to put them in your car, but it IS illegal to use them on public roads since they are "for offroad use only".

I don't htink there are any hid bulbs over stock colors (4500k is max I think?) that are street-legal.

I think 6000k is the most you can get away with since they are only slightly more blue than the stocks (actually a whiter color). I think any higher than that it will be obvious that they are not street-legal bulbs because the light output will be obviously blue (like when the 6000ks are warming up).

mrdeeno

you're inaccurate there. there's more than just the output that matters, like how the wavelength of the light reacts when reflecting through rain and water that makes 6000k's worse than halogens on wet roads.

I did a little thinking about this (haven't though tabout this stuff since college) and figured out why the 6000k's are slightly worse in the rain than 4300k's. so I'm slightly wrong about what I said in a previous post about the 6000k's not reflecting as well.

Yellow is less reflective than white, which is why fog lights SHOULD be yellow or halogen, because they cut through the fog better. White light just reflects off the fog blinding you.

In the rain when roads are wet and you have yellowish lights (4300k, halogens, fogs), the "yellow" component of the beam will be more likely to pass through the layer of water on the road and reflect off the markings, enabling you to see them better.

With 6000k bulbs and higher (less yellow component), there is less light making it to the markings because most of the light is reflected off the water layer before it reaches the markings. so most of this light is wasted as glare (to oncoming drivers, sleeping birds, tree monkeys, etc.).

I think the reason why 4300k's are better than halgoens in the rain is because there's enough yellow component in there, so the increased brightness in combination with this "yellow" makes it better than halogens. But moving to 6000k's makes it worse than halogens on wet roads because even though it's still brighter than halogens (but less so than 4300k), there's not enough "yellow" to reflect the markings as well as halogens.

All Mine

Point well served. Very well explained. Good job.

SupaCL

looks nice!!

Andy Van Slyke

Did you mean to say 'looks nice' or 'looks rice'?

AMorgCLS

What is this? The neighborhood watch association? I mean, anything more than 6500k/6000k HID is (admittedly) However, I dont think anyone here other than dem1k or I has had 6000k/6500k HID's. This is a simple bulb replacement and is far from being illegal or From my point of view or Dem1k's, there is really no noticeable difference in light output other than the color. I've driven in heavy rain and I've found that my 6500k HID's work just fine, if not better.

As far as i'm concerned :troutslap , you can take your paper stats and shove them up your #%$. I'm happy with the results that i'm getting and i'm sure that there are others that are happy with the results also.

As to the statement that anything above 4100k/4300k stock HID's blind oncoming traffic is totally false, unless your car did not come equiped w/ stock HID's.

Have fun with this one McGruff's

AMorgCLS

I guess you can't read. He said "looks nice". Don’t start using inferences, you’ll just look dumb.

mrdeeno

Ok, what's with the anger all of a sudden.

1) yes, I HAVE had 6000k bulbs in my cl-s, so I know from PERSONAL observations that they are less effective in rain/wet roads than the 4300k stock bulbs. The brightness is very similar that you can't tell, but in wet weather they ARE less effective than 4300k bulbs, regardless of what you say or think.

2) 6000k bulbs ARE ILLEGAL. if they are not DOT approved or "street legal", they are ILLEGAL to use on public roads. Just because they are similar enough to 4300k that no one will give you problems, or that they are a simple bulb replacement doesn't all of a sudden make them legal.

3) and why should I shove the "paper stats" up my ass as you say? I included that because I wanted to explain WHY the 6000k's are TECHNICALLY less effective in wet weather than 4300k...but of course someone like you wouldn't understand because you're too opinionated. Maybe you don't notice the difference in wet weather between the 4300 and 6000k, but THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, both technically and from PERSONAL OBSERVATION. So you can shove that up your ass.

AMorgCLS

Touche' :surrender
No anger at all, just a late night rant after getting super and poor use of words on my part.

Now I understand that upgrading any car to HID's that didnt come HID equipped from the factory is illegal. However, where did you find the info for upgrading factory stock HID's is illegal?

DaInFaMMuS1

why is that?

AMorgCLS

To be quite honest, I must be extremely lucky with my 6500K upgrades. I drove from Phoenix to Tucson one night in a heavy thunderstorm (prolly a month ago) and I could see just fine . I was not squinting, nor did I ever feel that I was in danger from the upgrades.

mrdeeno

It's not "illegal" to upgrade the bulbs...say from a DOT approved 4300k to a DOT approved 4500k.

But I haven't found anywhere that sells 6000k bulbs that are DOT approved, hence they are "not street legal". The law changes from state to state, but I don't think there are any states that approve the use of these bulbs and I think on the packages of these bulbs, it says "for offroad use only" or "not for use in U.S.A. and EU" or something. But then as I stated before, 6000k is very similar to 4300k's in color that you will most likely not be pulled over for it.

mrdeeno

I have driven from TX to PA and back with 6000k bulbs in POURING rain while running away from tornadoes as I passed through Alabama (damn rednecks!).

I didn't find them dangerous either and could see fine without squinting...BUT i did notice they are less effective than the stock 4300k's.

But I wouldn't trust someone with failing eyesight to be driving, let along driving around with 6000k bulbs in their car, and I don't think the DOT would either, which is why they aren't approved for street use.

Andy Van Slyke

Let my pictures speak louder then words then!

6000k ricey vomit kit (my driveway) I think i'LL SPEW!


4100K


Close up




Now tell me again how these 6000k bulbs are the shit?? and btw, these are all of the same car! I just modifed it so the housing was desgined to project HID light!

Thanks for coming Newbie

Andy Van Slyke

Sifn't allow me to fix typo's!

mrdeeno

I guess from those pics that the 6000k kits are pretty "ricey", but replacing a stock HID setup with the philips 6000k bulbs looks NOTHING like that.

the Philips 6000k's are bluish when warming up (10-20 seconds), but after warmup, they look WHITER than 4300k's, no blue (or yellow) at all.

Andy Van Slyke

My bulbs start of blue then turn to white/yellow (because they are new bulbs) within about 5 seconds. I'll acknowledge that 6000k bulbs are better than a stock halogen but not by much.

I had 6000k's for around a year and I swear i began to get headaches If I was driving for more than a few hours at a time. If you got two cars and gave one 6000k hids and the other OEM 4100k or 4300k then looked at them from a distance you'd certainly say the 6000k looks brighter when in fact it isn't at all.. biZZarrarOOOni!!

My kit was a cheap heap of crap (like all of them are) from taiwan so bear in mind the range of quality can range.

Don't get me wrong, HID kits rock!! As long as you don't rice it up with moronic temp bulb go for it.. What upsets me and most people on the road is when people put it in a car that isn't designed to project HID light. ahhhhh the GLARE!!

AMorgCLS

Wow, my lights (6500K) looks a lot better than that. I dont know why, maybe luck? Dunno

Andy Van Slyke

Post up then.. Can't wait too see these lucky 6500k bulbs..rofl!!

Dem1K

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dood I don't know WHAT kind of kit you got, but that shit looks nothing like what I have. My bulbs look no where NEAR ricey. They look damn near stock even. After they warm up, they are just a bit whiter than the stock HIDs, with a VERY slight blue hue to them. Your shit looks green. Philips is the way to go.

Andy Van Slyke

All I'll say is if you have 6000k or over!! you're a ricer! If you wish too sit here all day and dispute how you're 'kit' looks OEM save your breathe. Anyone who knows HID knows ricer a mile away!!

enjoy your kit and the eventual run in with the law

Account deleted!

AMorgCLS

:ghey: OK there Andy Van Dyke, I'm a ricer

mrdeeno

I don't know about you, but I'm a brown-ricer myself.

Dem1K

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dood, it's not a fucking kit you idiot...all I got were bulbs...PERIOD. The car comes stock with HIDs, so why would I need an entire kit? I got authentic Philips bulbs. Oh, and don't even try to school me on your thoughts.