Philips Ultinon 6000k HIDs Installed!! *56k beware*
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Ok everybody, I FINALLY figured out how to work my camera correctly in the night. Before, the colors came out a little funky and the picture seemed grainy. So hopefully these pictures clear things up for everybody.
Mini Cooper w/ HIDs on right, Mine w Philips Ultinon 6000k on left
Mini Cooper w/ HIDs during warm-up
Mine during warm-up
Mine during warm-up (almost finished)
Mine, after being warmed up
My light up close
Mini Cooper w/ HIDs up close
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Lighting up the road (after being warmed up)
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Mini Cooper w/ HIDs on right, Mine w Philips Ultinon 6000k on left
Mini Cooper w/ HIDs during warm-up
Mine during warm-up
Mine during warm-up (almost finished)
Mine, after being warmed up
My light up close
Mini Cooper w/ HIDs up close
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Lighting up the road (after being warmed up)
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Ok, I ended up taking some better pictures after figuring out how to work my digi camera. I will host them as thumbnails in which you can click them for the hi-res.
Mini Cooper w/ HIDs (right), Me w/ Philips Ultinon 6000k (right)
Me lighting up the road
Cooper HIDs during warm-up
Mine during warm-up
Mine, warmed up
My headlight, up close
Mine up close again
Cooper headlight, up close
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I thought this was cool
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Mini Cooper w/ HIDs (right), Me w/ Philips Ultinon 6000k (right)
Me lighting up the road
Cooper HIDs during warm-up
Mine during warm-up
Mine, warmed up
My headlight, up close
Mine up close again
Cooper headlight, up close
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I thought this was cool
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Let me know when you get new foglights what you went with I want to get ones to match headlights.
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Originally Posted by MisterMehoff
HIDs are not illegal if they came standard w/ your vehicle. For example, if you put an HID on a civic, that is considered illegal because civics don't come standard with HIDs. However, if your car such as the 2nd Gen CL comes standard w/ HIDs, and you install higher temp HID bulbs such as 6000K, its not illegal.
ultinons are not legal, btw.
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Back from the dead Yeah I got the Philips D2R 6500 and have loved them over the 4100K stock. Dem1K, I couldnt find 6000K Osrams you were referring to, so I got 6500K Philips.
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Originally Posted by MisterMehoff
HIDs are not illegal if they came standard w/ your vehicle. For example, if you put an HID on a civic, that is considered illegal because civics don't come standard with HIDs. However, if your car such as the 2nd Gen CL comes standard w/ HIDs, and you install higher temp HID bulbs such as 6000K, its not illegal.
I had 4500K in my 5th gen Accord, and wasn't ever bothered by the police. I think it depends on if the officer wants to bug you or not. I think I want some of those bulbs. THey're a slightly more bluish tint then the 4100k our stockies came with. Anybody know what ones the Evo's come with? Those are what I want to upgrade to. I want to say they're 4900k, but I could be wrong.
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you do realize that you're output has gone up the shit becasue you've used a kelvin rated bulbs the outputs less light? to be honest,If you don't get headaches after long periods of driving i'll be very surprised!
I use to be a ricer like yourself but got sick of the vomit like output my ricey 6000k kit gave me! Do yourself a favour and read up on the net before you go wasting money on kits! in a llot of instances you'll turn your car into a glare machine because it isn't designed to output HID light.
you may be impressed by his pretty pictures but ask anyone who knows anything about lights and they'll tell you this thread should be stickied as "what not do when wanting hid's"
/The truth never lies!
Long Live the slykster!
I use to be a ricer like yourself but got sick of the vomit like output my ricey 6000k kit gave me! Do yourself a favour and read up on the net before you go wasting money on kits! in a llot of instances you'll turn your car into a glare machine because it isn't designed to output HID light.
you may be impressed by his pretty pictures but ask anyone who knows anything about lights and they'll tell you this thread should be stickied as "what not do when wanting hid's"
/The truth never lies!
Long Live the slykster!
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Originally Posted by Andy Van Slyke
you do realize that you're output has gone up the shit becasue you've used a kelvin rated bulbs the outputs less light? to be honest,If you don't get headaches after long periods of driving i'll be very surprised!
I use to be a ricer like yourself but got sick of the vomit like output my ricey 6000k kit gave me! Do yourself a favour and read up on the net before you go wasting money on kits! in a llot of instances you'll turn your car into a glare machine because it isn't designed to output HID light.
you may be impressed by his pretty pictures but ask anyone who knows anything about lights and they'll tell you this thread should be stickied as "what not do when wanting hid's"
/The truth never lies!
Long Live the slykster!
I use to be a ricer like yourself but got sick of the vomit like output my ricey 6000k kit gave me! Do yourself a favour and read up on the net before you go wasting money on kits! in a llot of instances you'll turn your car into a glare machine because it isn't designed to output HID light.
you may be impressed by his pretty pictures but ask anyone who knows anything about lights and they'll tell you this thread should be stickied as "what not do when wanting hid's"
/The truth never lies!
Long Live the slykster!
Nice one!! If anyone needs correct information, visit www.hidplanet.com
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Originally Posted by babyblue
Pretty good buy then... I like the color, gives us an update in rain cuz thts when most people say miss the stock 4300K... Good pics..
i had the same ultinon bulbs in my cl-s until I decided to get rid of the car after it was jacked and totaled by the insurance co.. Still have teh bulbs though.
In the rain, but more specifically when roads are wet, it sometimes feels like my headlights aren't even on.
I think it has something to do with the color temperature and road markings being wet. I think the yellow reflects better than blue, so the road markings at least reflect the light when wet with the more yellowish 4300k's. But with the 6000k bulbs, there's less reflection off the wet road and markings, so it's a tad more difficult to see them.
As i grow older and my night vision grows worse, I think there'll be a day when I wouldn't be able to use 6000k bulbs. I'm only 27 so I have a bit to go yet.
I think that's the reason any HID bulb over stock 4300-4500k aren't street legal.
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Originally Posted by MisterMehoff
HIDs are not illegal if they came standard w/ your vehicle. For example, if you put an HID on a civic, that is considered illegal because civics don't come standard with HIDs. However, if your car such as the 2nd Gen CL comes standard w/ HIDs, and you install higher temp HID bulbs such as 6000K, its not illegal.
I don't htink there are any hid bulbs over stock colors (4500k is max I think?) that are street-legal.
I think 6000k is the most you can get away with since they are only slightly more blue than the stocks (actually a whiter color). I think any higher than that it will be obvious that they are not street-legal bulbs because the light output will be obviously blue (like when the 6000ks are warming up).
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Originally Posted by MisterMehoff
Theoretically, yes. because HIDs emit over 3 times more light than halogen. In the rain, Halogen lights are useless. They might as well be fog lights. So, if you were to get 6000k, you would still get better lighting on the road in the rain versus using the Halogen.
I did a little thinking about this (haven't though tabout this stuff since college) and figured out why the 6000k's are slightly worse in the rain than 4300k's. so I'm slightly wrong about what I said in a previous post about the 6000k's not reflecting as well.
Yellow is less reflective than white, which is why fog lights SHOULD be yellow or halogen, because they cut through the fog better. White light just reflects off the fog blinding you.
In the rain when roads are wet and you have yellowish lights (4300k, halogens, fogs), the "yellow" component of the beam will be more likely to pass through the layer of water on the road and reflect off the markings, enabling you to see them better.
With 6000k bulbs and higher (less yellow component), there is less light making it to the markings because most of the light is reflected off the water layer before it reaches the markings. so most of this light is wasted as glare (to oncoming drivers, sleeping birds, tree monkeys, etc.).
I think the reason why 4300k's are better than halgoens in the rain is because there's enough yellow component in there, so the increased brightness in combination with this "yellow" makes it better than halogens. But moving to 6000k's makes it worse than halogens on wet roads because even though it's still brighter than halogens (but less so than 4300k), there's not enough "yellow" to reflect the markings as well as halogens.
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
you're inaccurate there. there's more than just the output that matters, like how the wavelength of the light reacts when reflecting through rain and water that makes 6000k's worse than halogens on wet roads.
I did a little thinking about this (haven't though tabout this stuff since college) and figured out why the 6000k's are slightly worse in the rain than 4300k's. so I'm slightly wrong about what I said in a previous post about the 6000k's not reflecting as well.
Yellow is less reflective than white, which is why fog lights SHOULD be yellow or halogen, because they cut through the fog better. White light just reflects off the fog blinding you.
In the rain when roads are wet and you have yellowish lights (4300k, halogens, fogs), the "yellow" component of the beam will be more likely to pass through the layer of water on the road and reflect off the markings, enabling you to see them better.
With 6000k bulbs and higher (less yellow component), there is less light making it to the markings because most of the light is reflected off the water layer before it reaches the markings. so most of this light is wasted as glare (to oncoming drivers, sleeping birds, tree monkeys, etc.).
I think the reason why 4300k's are better than halgoens in the rain is because there's enough yellow component in there, so the increased brightness in combination with this "yellow" makes it better than halogens. But moving to 6000k's makes it worse than halogens on wet roads because even though it's still brighter than halogens (but less so than 4300k), there's not enough "yellow" to reflect the markings as well as halogens.
I did a little thinking about this (haven't though tabout this stuff since college) and figured out why the 6000k's are slightly worse in the rain than 4300k's. so I'm slightly wrong about what I said in a previous post about the 6000k's not reflecting as well.
Yellow is less reflective than white, which is why fog lights SHOULD be yellow or halogen, because they cut through the fog better. White light just reflects off the fog blinding you.
In the rain when roads are wet and you have yellowish lights (4300k, halogens, fogs), the "yellow" component of the beam will be more likely to pass through the layer of water on the road and reflect off the markings, enabling you to see them better.
With 6000k bulbs and higher (less yellow component), there is less light making it to the markings because most of the light is reflected off the water layer before it reaches the markings. so most of this light is wasted as glare (to oncoming drivers, sleeping birds, tree monkeys, etc.).
I think the reason why 4300k's are better than halgoens in the rain is because there's enough yellow component in there, so the increased brightness in combination with this "yellow" makes it better than halogens. But moving to 6000k's makes it worse than halogens on wet roads because even though it's still brighter than halogens (but less so than 4300k), there's not enough "yellow" to reflect the markings as well as halogens.
Point well served. Very well explained. Good job.
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What is this? The neighborhood watch association? I mean, anything more than 6500k/6000k HID is (admittedly) However, I dont think anyone here other than dem1k or I has had 6000k/6500k HID's. This is a simple bulb replacement and is far from being illegal or From my point of view or Dem1k's, there is really no noticeable difference in light output other than the color. I've driven in heavy rain and I've found that my 6500k HID's work just fine, if not better.
As far as i'm concerned :troutslap , you can take your paper stats and shove them up your #%$. I'm happy with the results that i'm getting and i'm sure that there are others that are happy with the results also.
As to the statement that anything above 4100k/4300k stock HID's blind oncoming traffic is totally false, unless your car did not come equiped w/ stock HID's.
Have fun with this one McGruff's
As far as i'm concerned :troutslap , you can take your paper stats and shove them up your #%$. I'm happy with the results that i'm getting and i'm sure that there are others that are happy with the results also.
As to the statement that anything above 4100k/4300k stock HID's blind oncoming traffic is totally false, unless your car did not come equiped w/ stock HID's.
Have fun with this one McGruff's
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Originally Posted by Andy Van Slyke
Did you mean to say 'looks nice' or 'looks rice'?
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Originally Posted by AMorgCLS
What is this? The neighborhood watch association? I mean, anything more than 6500k/6000k HID is (admittedly) However, I dont think anyone here other than dem1k or I has had 6000k/6500k HID's. This is a simple bulb replacement and is far from being illegal or From my point of view or Dem1k's, there is really no noticeable difference in light output other than the color. I've driven in heavy rain and I've found that my 6500k HID's work just fine, if not better.
As far as i'm concerned :troutslap , you can take your paper stats and shove them up your #%$. I'm happy with the results that i'm getting and i'm sure that there are others that are happy with the results also.
As to the statement that anything above 4100k/4300k stock HID's blind oncoming traffic is totally false, unless your car did not come equiped w/ stock HID's.
Have fun with this one McGruff's
As far as i'm concerned :troutslap , you can take your paper stats and shove them up your #%$. I'm happy with the results that i'm getting and i'm sure that there are others that are happy with the results also.
As to the statement that anything above 4100k/4300k stock HID's blind oncoming traffic is totally false, unless your car did not come equiped w/ stock HID's.
Have fun with this one McGruff's
Ok, what's with the anger all of a sudden.
1) yes, I HAVE had 6000k bulbs in my cl-s, so I know from PERSONAL observations that they are less effective in rain/wet roads than the 4300k stock bulbs. The brightness is very similar that you can't tell, but in wet weather they ARE less effective than 4300k bulbs, regardless of what you say or think.
2) 6000k bulbs ARE ILLEGAL. if they are not DOT approved or "street legal", they are ILLEGAL to use on public roads. Just because they are similar enough to 4300k that no one will give you problems, or that they are a simple bulb replacement doesn't all of a sudden make them legal.
3) and why should I shove the "paper stats" up my ass as you say? I included that because I wanted to explain WHY the 6000k's are TECHNICALLY less effective in wet weather than 4300k...but of course someone like you wouldn't understand because you're too opinionated. Maybe you don't notice the difference in wet weather between the 4300 and 6000k, but THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, both technically and from PERSONAL OBSERVATION. So you can shove that up your ass.
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Touche' :surrender
No anger at all, just a late night rant after getting super and poor use of words on my part.
Now I understand that upgrading any car to HID's that didnt come HID equipped from the factory is illegal. However, where did you find the info for upgrading factory stock HID's is illegal?
No anger at all, just a late night rant after getting super and poor use of words on my part.
Now I understand that upgrading any car to HID's that didnt come HID equipped from the factory is illegal. However, where did you find the info for upgrading factory stock HID's is illegal?
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To be quite honest, I must be extremely lucky with my 6500K upgrades. I drove from Phoenix to Tucson one night in a heavy thunderstorm (prolly a month ago) and I could see just fine . I was not squinting, nor did I ever feel that I was in danger from the upgrades.
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Originally Posted by AMorgCLS
Touche' :surrender
No anger at all, just a late night rant after getting super and poor use of words on my part.
Now I understand that upgrading any car to HID's that didnt come HID equipped from the factory is illegal. However, where did you find the info for upgrading factory stock HID's is illegal?
No anger at all, just a late night rant after getting super and poor use of words on my part.
Now I understand that upgrading any car to HID's that didnt come HID equipped from the factory is illegal. However, where did you find the info for upgrading factory stock HID's is illegal?
But I haven't found anywhere that sells 6000k bulbs that are DOT approved, hence they are "not street legal". The law changes from state to state, but I don't think there are any states that approve the use of these bulbs and I think on the packages of these bulbs, it says "for offroad use only" or "not for use in U.S.A. and EU" or something. But then as I stated before, 6000k is very similar to 4300k's in color that you will most likely not be pulled over for it.
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Originally Posted by AMorgCLS
To be quite honest, I must be extremely lucky with my 6500K upgrades. I drove from Phoenix to Tucson one night in a heavy thunderstorm (prolly a month ago) and I could see just fine . I was not squinting, nor did I ever feel that I was in danger from the upgrades.
I didn't find them dangerous either and could see fine without squinting...BUT i did notice they are less effective than the stock 4300k's.
But I wouldn't trust someone with failing eyesight to be driving, let along driving around with 6000k bulbs in their car, and I don't think the DOT would either, which is why they aren't approved for street use.
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I guess you can't read. He said "looks nice". Don’t start using inferences, you’ll just look dumb.
Let my pictures speak louder then words then!
6000k ricey vomit kit (my driveway) I think i'LL SPEW!
4100K
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Now tell me again how these 6000k bulbs are the shit?? and btw, these are all of the same car! I just modifed it so the housing was desgined to project HID light!
Thanks for coming Newbie
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Let my pictures speak louder then words then!
6000k ricey vomit kit (my driveway) I think i'LL SPEW!
4100K
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Now tell me again how these 6000k bulbs are the shit?? and btw, these are all of the same car! I just modifed it so the housing was desgined to project HID light!
Thanks for coming Newbie
6000k ricey vomit kit (my driveway) I think i'LL SPEW!
4100K
Close up
Now tell me again how these 6000k bulbs are the shit?? and btw, these are all of the same car! I just modifed it so the housing was desgined to project HID light!
Thanks for coming Newbie
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I guess from those pics that the 6000k kits are pretty "ricey", but replacing a stock HID setup with the philips 6000k bulbs looks NOTHING like that.
the Philips 6000k's are bluish when warming up (10-20 seconds), but after warmup, they look WHITER than 4300k's, no blue (or yellow) at all.
the Philips 6000k's are bluish when warming up (10-20 seconds), but after warmup, they look WHITER than 4300k's, no blue (or yellow) at all.
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My bulbs start of blue then turn to white/yellow (because they are new bulbs) within about 5 seconds. I'll acknowledge that 6000k bulbs are better than a stock halogen but not by much.
I had 6000k's for around a year and I swear i began to get headaches If I was driving for more than a few hours at a time. If you got two cars and gave one 6000k hids and the other OEM 4100k or 4300k then looked at them from a distance you'd certainly say the 6000k looks brighter when in fact it isn't at all.. biZZarrarOOOni!!
My kit was a cheap heap of crap (like all of them are) from taiwan so bear in mind the range of quality can range.
Don't get me wrong, HID kits rock!! As long as you don't rice it up with moronic temp bulb go for it.. What upsets me and most people on the road is when people put it in a car that isn't designed to project HID light. ahhhhh the GLARE!!
I had 6000k's for around a year and I swear i began to get headaches If I was driving for more than a few hours at a time. If you got two cars and gave one 6000k hids and the other OEM 4100k or 4300k then looked at them from a distance you'd certainly say the 6000k looks brighter when in fact it isn't at all.. biZZarrarOOOni!!
My kit was a cheap heap of crap (like all of them are) from taiwan so bear in mind the range of quality can range.
Don't get me wrong, HID kits rock!! As long as you don't rice it up with moronic temp bulb go for it.. What upsets me and most people on the road is when people put it in a car that isn't designed to project HID light. ahhhhh the GLARE!!
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dood I don't know WHAT kind of kit you got, but that shit looks nothing like what I have. My bulbs look no where NEAR ricey. They look damn near stock even. After they warm up, they are just a bit whiter than the stock HIDs, with a VERY slight blue hue to them. Your shit looks green. Philips is the way to go.
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All I'll say is if you have 6000k or over!! you're a ricer! If you wish too sit here all day and dispute how you're 'kit' looks OEM save your breathe. Anyone who knows HID knows ricer a mile away!!
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Originally Posted by Andy Van Slyke
All I'll say is if you have 6000k or over!! you're a ricer! If you wish too sit here all day and dispute how you're 'kit' looks OEM save your breathe. Anyone who knows HID knows ricer a mile away!!
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