SimonCL-S6

Anyone have pictures of the drop? is it ok to put the springs on without aftermarket shocks?

Jacobpockros

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Mine right before i got my new wheels:



I thought we already talked about this? :P

StreetKA

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its not ok they will go bad very soon if you do first front then rear

Tein S Tech with Tokico blue but front seems to going out again



on this picture car look very high but its not that bad



i would say, save up and buy coilovers. tein basic is the cheap reliable way to go

Jacobpockros

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^ The reason why your car looks so high is because you have 35 series tires on there. You should be running 45's on there if you only have 18 inch wheels like me. Also, my stock shocks are still fine after one year on this setup.

StreetKA

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One year ? I did 30k miles on this setup. How many you did? 2k?

SimonCL-S6

Decision decisions haha i like the way the eibach drop the car its enough thanks guys

civicdrivr

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The sidewall measurement is part of a ratio, not a set height. Therefore, you cannot say he needs 45 series tires without knowing the tire width.

If youre running 225/45 (which is a skinny tire for this car), thats fine, but 235/45 is not, as the speedo will now read incorrectly.

Jacobpockros

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How can tire width compute to the diameter of the tire?

Also, you are incorrect, 225 is not a skinny tire for this car. Our cars come with 215's stock.

civicdrivr

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A 225 is a skinny tire. 215 is even skinnier. Shit, 235s are skinny too.

Tire measurements are ratios. Heres an example:

235/40-18

That tire is a 235mm wide tire. The sidewall is not 40mm tall. Its 40% of the width of the tire. Therefore 235x.40= 94.

Therefore the sidewall is 94mm tall. Dont believe me? Google it.

StreetKA

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225/40/18 is the skinny tire but with my mods its fine. i'd rather buy 225 but good quality rubber than 235/40 the wider tire the more its slowes you down.

but yes i agree with morgan about measurments

last year i had falkens 235/40 now i got 225/40 hankooks and im really happy only thing is 225/40 is low tire and thats what happens when you hit pothole



225/45 i would say or 235/40 is safe tire 225/40 looks sportier but thats what it takes

Jacobpockros

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Morgan, I don't believe that. Give me a link and i'll see if it's credible.

Also, ---/18/25's are way too small for our cars. When you upgrade rim size, you are only supposed to lower the tire size by one increment.

The tires for the stock 17 inch rims are 215/17/50's

When you upgrade to 18's your tires should be ---/18/45's

Upgrade to 19's and they should be ---/19/40's


When you do this, you will notice that your wheel gap stays around the same size.

StreetKA

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you dont have to belive that. find the link yourself. lol

wider tires wont rub but that depends on rims you got

Jacobpockros

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Rims are a factor as well, but tires also play a huge role in rubbing. If you were to put wider tires on your car with the wheels you have, you would rub, it's a fact.

civicdrivr

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http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...-sidewall.html

The rest of that post simply is not true.

Each tire manufacturer uses the standard sidewall measurements, however it isn't always exact. They may be a few mm's off.

And the tire size also depends on the width of the wheel. The stock 17" rim is 7" wide. Running a 225/45 on an 8.5" rim is ridiculous. You can do it, but the tire will be stretched. Im running 235/40 tires on my 18x8.5" wheels and the speedometer is spot on. The overall height of the tire is unchanged from stock:

Stock 215/50-17 = a 107.5mm tall sidewall = 4.23inches
4.23 inches x2 = 8.46" + 17" (the height of the rim) = 25.46"

My 235/40-18 = 94mm = 3.7" x2 = 7.4" + 18" = 25.4"

A 225/45-18 = 101.25mm = 3.98" x2 = 7.96" + 18" = 25.96"

So your 225/45 tire is about half an inch larger, thus slowing your speedometer (which also means the car actually has more miles on it then it indicates).


The correct tire size for 19" wheels on the CL is 235/35-19.

civicdrivr

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Offset has the most to do with it.

You can put a 215/40 tire on a 17" wheel, but if the offset it +15mm for example, youre going to rub.

I ran a 235/40-18 on a +48mm wheel with zero rubbing. Only when I went to the 19s, which were +40mm, did I begin rubbing.

Jacobpockros

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I see what you are talking about, but you are using specific examples that might not always apply to everyone. In your case, you are correct, because you have an 8.5 inch wide wheel. My wheels and StreetKA's wheels are alot different than yours. Ours are only 7.5 inches wide. If you had read what i wrote more carefully, you would have realized i was only talking about upgrading the diameter of the wheels and not drastic wheel widths like what you have (not that it's a bad thing). In our case, (us 7.5ers), we are only supposed to downgrade by an increment because the width of the stock rims vs our new ones are only different by a whopping 1/2 inch.

Jacobpockros

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I would say each one can do a make or break. If i put 215/90/18's on your car (doubt they make them, lets hope not lol) you will rub

civicdrivr

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Yes, I did use specific examples. One of them was your tire size:

If you had read it more carefully, you would have seen that your tire height does not match the stock tire height (25.46" vs. 25.96").

Yes, some of that discrepancy can be eaten up by manufacturing differences (each tire manufacturer does use the standard sidewall measurements, however they are not exact), but thats .5", or 12.7mm that needs to be made up. A difference that large would change the sidewall measurement.

No matter which way you slice it, a 225 wheel, be it a 225/40(25.08" tall) or a 225/45 will be approximately .5" under/oversized.

Theres nothing wrong with that if you desire the effects of each tire size. An oversized tire will lower RPMs at any given speed thus effectively lowering your final drive ratio. That means your car will actually be slightly slower. The car would be easier to launch though. Going with the undersized tire is the opposite. You raise the final drive ratio, you accelerate faster but it is harder to launch properly.

StreetKA

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im running at rears 235/40/18 on my 7.5" wide rims offset is 42 and i dont rub. i shaved bumper tabs but now i dont rub. i would not recommend to go skinnier than 235 but if you go for good rubber then go ahead. i know some ppl are running 255 tire all around. but thats for me an overkill. if you boosted or like morgan heavy modded then i understand. if i stay with my rims my next tires are gonna be 225/45 not to wide and not to low

Jacobpockros

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Straight from Toyo's tire website. My diameter is 25.4. Recommended tire width: 7.0-8.0

This not only proves that you were way off, but it's coming from tire experts themselves.

Thanks for playing!

civicdrivr

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You know, I had a nice long rebuttal typed up and ready to go, but I was searching for more proof when I realized (via your build thread) you are running 215/45, not 225/45. If you actually read my examples, you would have caught this discrepancy (once again, reading comprehension owns you).

And my math is not incorrect:

Jacobpockros

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No where did i even mention i was running 225's. You saying that my tires were 25.96 wide was completely your own wrong doing.

I'm done talking about this lol. Were totally highjacking this poor dude's thread.

SimonCL-S6

So to get us back on topic... i ordered the springs lol

civicdrivr

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You insinuated that you were running 225/45-18s. And I never said your tires were 25.96" wide, 225/45-18s are 25.96" TALL.

This is a tire thread!! Get out of here with this suspension talk!

Jacobpockros

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Did i say wide? We both know i meant to say tall.

I did not make any hint that my tires could have been 225's. You assumed it, therefore your statistical data proved to be irrelevant.

Now back to the springs. You go-ah get shocks with that!??

SimonCL-S6

Yea ill get shocks later on for now just the springs will do! i need rims first!

Jacobpockros

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True that. You should go with something better than stockies though. Maybe something lightweight

SimonCL-S6

Any affordable suggestions 17s or 18s lol

StreetKA

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if 17 then i like 04-05 stock TL rims or 07-08 TL type S i like the stance of the car with them

civicdrivr

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OEM wheels make a good winter wheel IMO, but they are not for those with sporting intentions. Theyre pretty heavy.

Jacobpockros

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Check out Kyowadesigns: http://www.kyowadesigns.com/wheels

StreetKA

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^ yup check it out !

SimonCL-S6

Damnnn they got some sick rims thanks!

Jacobpockros

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No problem. I have Kyowa's myself and they were worth every penny

civicdrivr

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They dont list weights.

Jacobpockros

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They told me over the phone, and by email that all their wheels are in the ballpark range of 16-18 pounds.

Kirkman190

i got an 01 cl, im about to order some rims - Tenzo R DC5 18x8 offset 45 with 225/40/18 tires. Do u think ill need a spacer b/c with stock 17x7s offset 55, the inner clearance is around 10mm. im worried there might be some rubbing.

civicdrivr

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You'll be fine but thats not the right tire size.

Kirkman190

u think i should go with 235s?

civicdrivr

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235/40-18