tl 6 speed swap 282WHP 240WTQ
03-15-2011, 12:49 PM
#42
lets see I have all the mods that you have said to have in other threads plus I have PnP manifold,runners , 3.5inch intake,light weight flywheel and custom 2.5inch header collector/no cat. So if you have claimed almost 260hp before then im sure even if this dyno is off it couldn't be more than 5 or so hp.Also like I said before I plan on getting a dyno some were else soon. Why are so many people doubting this, hell P2R has dynoed 300 before with these motors with no internal work just breather mods.
03-15-2011, 01:34 PM
#43
Lives in Boost
lets see I have all the mods that you have said to have in other threads plus I have PnP manifold,runners , 3.5inch intake,light weight flywheel and custom 2.5inch header collector/no cat. So if you have claimed almost 260hp before then im sure even if this dyno is off it couldn't be more than 5 or so hp.Also like I said before I plan on getting a dyno some were else soon. Why are so many people doubting this, hell P2R has dynoed 300 before with these motors with no internal work just breather mods.
On a side note, I'm definitely interested in gutting the butterflies, that way I wont have to deal with the IMRC. Since you've done it, have you noticed any dip in low end tq off the line or throttle response?
03-15-2011, 02:06 PM
#44
Three Wheelin'
People don't like change. Just post a dyno from another place when you get a chance and I'm sure that'll deaden some of the uproar. I too think 280hp is a bit high but if it's true it's true. Time shall tell. In any case, nice numbers and nice job on the swap!
On a side note, I'm definitely interested in gutting the butterflies, that way I wont have to deal with the IMRC. Since you've done it, have you noticed any dip in low end tq off the line or throttle response?
On a side note, I'm definitely interested in gutting the butterflies, that way I wont have to deal with the IMRC. Since you've done it, have you noticed any dip in low end tq off the line or throttle response?
i was wanting to do this as well.
more info on the butterfly delete please
03-15-2011, 03:41 PM
#46
lets see I have all the mods that you have said to have in other threads plus I have PnP manifold,runners , 3.5inch intake,light weight flywheel and custom 2.5inch header collector/no cat. So if you have claimed almost 260hp before then im sure even if this dyno is off it couldn't be more than 5 or so hp.Also like I said before I plan on getting a dyno some were else soon. Why are so many people doubting this, hell P2R has dynoed 300 before with these motors with no internal work just breather mods.
The ported IM and runners I bought were off the p2r car and the imrc is welded closed, so are the air assist valves on runners. I was wondering how this would affect my car, your numbers are encouraging. I will have pretty much same setup as you and p2r minus custom headers so hopefully I can get a dyno done too.
Here is what p2r had to say when I asked him about it.
I was told that "I don't want the butterfly. I will lose hp with it. It only works on stock car. Once you start modifying the engine and changing the air flow patterns you no longer need to worry about the butterflies. All it does is provide less airflow for partial throttle at low rpm's. It isn't meant to be a wide open throttle restrictor".
I asked about losing torque at low rpm and was told "only torque you will lose is below 2500 rpm at very low throttle. Not enough to notice".
Last edited by brian6speed; 03-15-2011 at 03:43 PM.
03-15-2011, 04:06 PM
#47
People always doubt when a dyno is posted. I would guess that p2r didn't get questioned cause of their reputation. People dont wanna believe someone else gets better numbers after spending less money then they did, especially if they spent 3g's or more on a s/c.
The ported IM and runners I bought were off the p2r car and the imrc is welded closed, so are the air assist valves on runners. I was wondering how this would affect my car, your numbers are encouraging. I will have pretty much same setup as you and p2r minus custom headers so hopefully I can get a dyno done too.
Here is what p2r had to say when I asked him about it.
I was told that "I don't want the butterfly. I will lose hp with it. It only works on stock car. Once you start modifying the engine and changing the air flow patterns you no longer need to worry about the butterflies. All it does is provide less airflow for partial throttle at low rpm's. It isn't meant to be a wide open throttle restrictor".
I asked about losing torque at low rpm and was told "only torque you will lose is below 2500 rpm at very low throttle.Not enough to notice".
The ported IM and runners I bought were off the p2r car and the imrc is welded closed, so are the air assist valves on runners. I was wondering how this would affect my car, your numbers are encouraging. I will have pretty much same setup as you and p2r minus custom headers so hopefully I can get a dyno done too.
Here is what p2r had to say when I asked him about it.
I was told that "I don't want the butterfly. I will lose hp with it. It only works on stock car. Once you start modifying the engine and changing the air flow patterns you no longer need to worry about the butterflies. All it does is provide less airflow for partial throttle at low rpm's. It isn't meant to be a wide open throttle restrictor".
I asked about losing torque at low rpm and was told "only torque you will lose is below 2500 rpm at very low throttle.Not enough to notice".
that's the whole point of it, is to broaden the torque band for a street driven car
and it's kinda like VTEC too, to broaden the power band, while also having a good idle
cause in reality VTEC is just one more thing to break on a race car (and you are in the power band anyways if driven properly), and you could give really two shits about how well it idles; why do you think they make VTEC eliminator cams? for like the B-series and such; for race cars...
03-15-2011, 04:11 PM
#48
the main difference in P2R is that they are using an AEM standalone to tune, not to mention a custom header that flows way better than anything on the consumer market.
dyno numbers dont really matter, dont take offense to it when were saying the graph is inaccurate. there are way too many factors that play into dyno numbers for it to be a good basis to be comparing our cars with.
i think the main part of the speculation just comes from the fact that many other cars have the same mods and they definitely dont put down anywhere near that.
dyno numbers dont really matter, dont take offense to it when were saying the graph is inaccurate. there are way too many factors that play into dyno numbers for it to be a good basis to be comparing our cars with.
i think the main part of the speculation just comes from the fact that many other cars have the same mods and they definitely dont put down anywhere near that.
03-15-2011, 05:09 PM
#49
the main difference in P2R is that they are using an AEM standalone to tune, not to mention a custom header that flows way better than anything on the consumer market.
dyno numbers dont really matter, dont take offense to it when were saying the graph is inaccurate. there are way too many factors that play into dyno numbers for it to be a good basis to be comparing our cars with.
i think the main part of the speculation just comes from the fact that many other cars have the same mods and they definitely dont put down anywhere near that.
dyno numbers dont really matter, dont take offense to it when were saying the graph is inaccurate. there are way too many factors that play into dyno numbers for it to be a good basis to be comparing our cars with.
i think the main part of the speculation just comes from the fact that many other cars have the same mods and they definitely dont put down anywhere near that.
03-15-2011, 05:12 PM
#50
the main difference in P2R is that they are using an AEM standalone to tune, not to mention a custom header that flows way better than anything on the consumer market.
dyno numbers dont really matter, dont take offense to it when were saying the graph is inaccurate. there are way too many factors that play into dyno numbers for it to be a good basis to be comparing our cars with.
i think the main part of the speculation just comes from the fact that many other cars have the same mods and they definitely dont put down anywhere near that.
dyno numbers dont really matter, dont take offense to it when were saying the graph is inaccurate. there are way too many factors that play into dyno numbers for it to be a good basis to be comparing our cars with.
i think the main part of the speculation just comes from the fact that many other cars have the same mods and they definitely dont put down anywhere near that.
03-15-2011, 05:20 PM
#51
get some good pnp work done on the manifold and runners and a 3.5 inch intake lose the cat and open up the collctor on the headers and I bet you too can achieve close to 280hp. Also the light weight flywheel I think is much better than the light pulley it takes more weight off the crank.
Last edited by reese8789; 03-15-2011 at 05:22 PM.
03-16-2011, 04:47 PM
#52
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
lets see I have all the mods that you have said to have in other threads plus I have PnP manifold,runners , 3.5inch intake,light weight flywheel and custom 2.5inch header collector/no cat. So if you have claimed almost 260hp before then im sure even if this dyno is off it couldn't be more than 5 or so hp.Also like I said before I plan on getting a dyno some were else soon. Why are so many people doubting this, hell P2R has dynoed 300 before with these motors with no internal work just breather mods.
As I said earlier in this thread, dyno numbers dont mean shit.
03-16-2011, 05:15 PM
#53
I specifically asked p2r in an email if the head was milled and he said no, so not sure what to believe on that part.
03-16-2011, 05:30 PM
#54
"the heads on this engine are not milled. Completely stock. Just all the bolt ons that are listed above. The Plenums and custom header has a lot to do why not many people make this HP.
We sometimes run a J35 based on which series we are racing the car in."
So according to him plenums and header is why.
He was planning on doing a custom 3.4 build but gave up on it.
03-16-2011, 05:30 PM
#55
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Ill try to find the post where he confirmed it.
03-16-2011, 05:30 PM
#56
Hey maybe you need to educate yourself more cause I spoke with sean on the phone about it and he said they almost hit 300 on the stock ecu. Whatever though Im done with this. Ill post some track times when i get them and maybe another dyno if i feel like paying for it.
03-16-2011, 05:37 PM
#57
Dont let negativity get to you. I appreciate this thread and any info you can give on ur setup, might help me with mine.
I also wanted to ask how does the torque curve feel in daily driving with butterfly delete.
I also wanted to ask how does the torque curve feel in daily driving with butterfly delete.
Last edited by brian6speed; 03-16-2011 at 05:43 PM.
03-16-2011, 05:54 PM
#58
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Hey maybe you need to educate yourself more cause I spoke with sean on the phone about it and he said they almost hit 300 on the stock ecu. Whatever though Im done with this. Ill post some track times when i get them and maybe another dyno if i feel like paying for it.
Not a TL but TL engine at least 
P2R Power Rev Racing
FARA MP2-B Race Car
Stock J32A2 Engine
P2R 4 Inch Intake
P2R Throttle Body Spacer and Thermal TB Gaskets
P2R Bored Throttle Body
P2R Ported Intake Manifold
P2R Thermal Intake Manifold Gasket
P2R Ported Runners
P2R Custom Header
P2R Custom 3 inch Exhaust
Tuned on AEM EMS
302 Hp & 277 Tq
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAxZv-nbdsM
P2R Power Rev Racing
FARA MP2-B Race Car
Stock J32A2 Engine
P2R 4 Inch Intake
P2R Throttle Body Spacer and Thermal TB Gaskets
P2R Bored Throttle Body
P2R Ported Intake Manifold
P2R Thermal Intake Manifold Gasket
P2R Ported Runners
P2R Custom Header
P2R Custom 3 inch Exhaust
Tuned on AEM EMS
302 Hp & 277 Tq
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAxZv-nbdsM
I am searching for where Sean mentioned the compression was raised. Once I locate that post Ill post it here.
Last edited by civicdrivr; 03-16-2011 at 06:03 PM.
call them and ask if you dont believe me.
03-17-2011, 12:32 AM
#60
Lives in Boost
03-17-2011, 10:56 AM
#61
Thanks for coming out to the track yesterday. Your car runs really strong! During our second race when I got the jump on you off the line, you still pulled hard against me in 2nd and 3rd gear. You have inspired me to do a PnP and get a j-pipe so that I can be a little faster next time. I will have my friend send me the videos.
03-17-2011, 11:23 AM
#64
1/8 times are pointless for proving power. It is all about launching properly. Has more to do with tires,suspension and reducing wheel hop than power.
If 1/8th times are your main performance concern then a set of traction bars for track only will be best mod possible,sticky track tires, plus removing 500 lbs from car.
If 1/8th times are your main performance concern then a set of traction bars for track only will be best mod possible,sticky track tires, plus removing 500 lbs from car.
Last edited by brian6speed; 03-17-2011 at 11:26 AM.
03-17-2011, 11:28 AM
#65
Three Wheelin'
awesome thread.
a few of us have asked and got no answers about the butterfly delete. Is there a noticeable difference and does it throw any cels? torque loss?
this is basically just removing the imrc plugs and removing the butterflies correct?
a few of us have asked and got no answers about the butterfly delete. Is there a noticeable difference and does it throw any cels? torque loss?
this is basically just removing the imrc plugs and removing the butterflies correct?
03-17-2011, 12:04 PM
#67
I would definitely remove butterflys there just in the way of air flow through the manifold. Also I did not notice any power loss down low, if any thing it made the car feel like it pulled better. Furthermore I cut other pieces of metal out of the manifold that I felt were in the way of air flow.Such as the posts that used to hold the butterfly's in the manifold.
03-17-2011, 12:19 PM
#68
My best run was a 9.1 at 83mph. Cant launch car at all. If I try to launch it just wheel hops then spins. So on most of the runs I just rolled off the line then punched it. My best 0-60ft time was a 2.48. Terrible I know but still able to pull a 9.1 1/8 mile and 83mph trap speed. I was pulling constant 82-83mph in the 1/8 so i know the power is there.
03-17-2011, 12:40 PM
#69
1/8 times are pointless for proving power. It is all about launching properly. Has more to do with tires,suspension and reducing wheel hop than power.
If 1/8th times are your main performance concern then a set of traction bars for track only will be best mod possible,sticky track tires, plus removing 500 lbs from car.
If 1/8th times are your main performance concern then a set of traction bars for track only will be best mod possible,sticky track tires, plus removing 500 lbs from car.
03-17-2011, 07:16 PM
#70
Three Wheelin'
COOL, VERY INFORMATIVE.
Well, it seems like no matter what, it is worth it to delete the butterflies, soooo im in it to win it...lol...
good thread btw
Well, it seems like no matter what, it is worth it to delete the butterflies, soooo im in it to win it...lol...
good thread btw
03-18-2011, 10:31 AM
#71
03-21-2011, 09:43 AM
#74
Congrats on the numbers and don't mind the negativity. I'm going to be shooting for about the same numbers with my car n/a. The only difference is I will be spraying my car with a 125 wet shot. So will see what type of numbers I put down eventually.
03-22-2011, 01:41 PM
#77
I have ran a 8.9 That was before I upgraded my cat back though. If I coud get a decent launch I should be running like a 8.7 8.8 for the 1/8. Next Im gonna be upgrading my suspension hopefully this will help out with controlling wheel hop. Then Ill go to the 1/4 mile and see whats good.
