CLS '03 6MT - 230 hp - 198 torque
08-10-2002, 11:17 PM
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JEEZ….Let’s ease up on the hostilities here.
I’m beginning to regret posting this.
There’s really no way to accurately compare car and Tranny combinations unless they’re all done on the SAME dyno on the SAME day.
I plan to go back in December or January for another test when it’s about 20-degrees out.
The car should have about 8,000 miles on it by then.
If there’s a local AUTO driver that wants to meet up there I’d be fine with that.
I really don’t feel the need to install the stock tires back on there for the test if I don’t drive with them.
Not to mention I don’t even have mine anymore.
If the wheels are really hurting me like 6-8 horsepower, just think what the penalty is on a STOCK auto with 18’s or 19’s.
I would guess they are probably only getting 175-180 to the ground verses my 230+.
Shawn S
I’m beginning to regret posting this.
There’s really no way to accurately compare car and Tranny combinations unless they’re all done on the SAME dyno on the SAME day.
I plan to go back in December or January for another test when it’s about 20-degrees out.
The car should have about 8,000 miles on it by then.
If there’s a local AUTO driver that wants to meet up there I’d be fine with that.
I really don’t feel the need to install the stock tires back on there for the test if I don’t drive with them.
Not to mention I don’t even have mine anymore.
If the wheels are really hurting me like 6-8 horsepower, just think what the penalty is on a STOCK auto with 18’s or 19’s.
I would guess they are probably only getting 175-180 to the ground verses my 230+.
Shawn S
08-12-2002, 08:29 AM
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Pretty impressive numbers! I have to agree with NovaWhite. When they dyno'ed my 540, idiots tried to dyno it in 2nd gear and readings were all screwed up....BTW, I'm not going back to Curry's ever again. Once I hooked up somewhere else, they hit it in 3rd gear and 4th gear and readings were pretty close.
I don't know if a CLS 6MT can achieve 250 WHP with just the mods you have, but you should be like closer to 235 if you went to stock rims. Despite what people say, going from 17 to 18 will not rob you 15-20 WHP. I dyno'ed my car in 19's and went back to 17's and I gained like 4 RWHP, no keep in mind that I went down 2 sizes.
I don't know if a CLS 6MT can achieve 250 WHP with just the mods you have, but you should be like closer to 235 if you went to stock rims. Despite what people say, going from 17 to 18 will not rob you 15-20 WHP. I dyno'ed my car in 19's and went back to 17's and I gained like 4 RWHP, no keep in mind that I went down 2 sizes.
08-12-2002, 09:27 AM
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Hey Big guy
Originally posted by Shawn S
I plan to go back in December or January for another test when it’s about 20-degrees out.
The car should have about 8,000 miles on it by then.
If there’s a local AUTO driver that wants to meet up there I’d be fine with that.
I really don’t feel the need to install the stock tires back on there for the test if I don’t drive with them.
Not to mention I don’t even have mine anymore.Shawn S
I plan to go back in December or January for another test when it’s about 20-degrees out.
The car should have about 8,000 miles on it by then.
If there’s a local AUTO driver that wants to meet up there I’d be fine with that.
I really don’t feel the need to install the stock tires back on there for the test if I don’t drive with them.
Not to mention I don’t even have mine anymore.Shawn S
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08-12-2002, 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Shawn S
I don’t understand why you would want to do this.
I think full REDLINE in 5th gear would be WAY too fast to push the front tires when hooked up to a stationary machine like this.
Shawn S
I don’t understand why you would want to do this.
I think full REDLINE in 5th gear would be WAY too fast to push the front tires when hooked up to a stationary machine like this.
Shawn S
My car hits ~113 on the dyno w/o any problems and I'm Supras sure and other high HP cars hit incredible speeds on a dyno as well.
08-12-2002, 10:24 AM
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I just read the same posts and what are you talking about ? And what's with the slowness ? Maybe the point from all is the surprise that he dynoed less to the wheels than the auto with headers.
I just read the same posts and what are you talking about ? And what's with the slowness ? Maybe the point from all is the surprise that he dynoed less to the wheels than the auto with headers.
My point is that some of the autos are saying things like, "well, i don't feel so bad about keeping my car etc., etc.," I'm not bashing.....don't get me wrong, just saying.....the 6 speed will dyno higher numbers etc.,
08-17-2002, 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by darrinb
With cooler temps and stock wheels u can easily get over 250hp!!!
With cooler temps and stock wheels u can easily get over 250hp!!!
08-17-2002, 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Mike
Scalbert and/or Tom can correct me if I'm wrong on this but I believe it's because hp is calculated differently depending on the gearing.
My car hits ~113 on the dyno w/o any problems and I'm Supras sure and other high HP cars hit incredible speeds on a dyno as well.
Scalbert and/or Tom can correct me if I'm wrong on this but I believe it's because hp is calculated differently depending on the gearing.
My car hits ~113 on the dyno w/o any problems and I'm Supras sure and other high HP cars hit incredible speeds on a dyno as well.
1st - 3.933
2nd - 2.478
3rd - 1.700
4th - 1.250
5th - 0.976
6th - 0.771
Reverse - 4.008
Final Drive - 3.286
So technically, it should have been dyno'd in 5th gear. So you're right Mike.
08-17-2002, 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by Wires
The dyno is to be done with 1:1 gearing. On the 5 speed automatic, that would be 3rd gear. The manual has the following gear ratios:
1st - 3.933
2nd - 2.478
3rd - 1.700
4th - 1.250
5th - 0.976
6th - 0.771
Reverse - 4.008
Final Drive - 3.286
So technically, it should have been dyno'd in 5th gear. So you're right Mike.
The dyno is to be done with 1:1 gearing. On the 5 speed automatic, that would be 3rd gear. The manual has the following gear ratios:
1st - 3.933
2nd - 2.478
3rd - 1.700
4th - 1.250
5th - 0.976
6th - 0.771
Reverse - 4.008
Final Drive - 3.286
So technically, it should have been dyno'd in 5th gear. So you're right Mike.
you mean joe right
08-17-2002, 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Wires
The dyno numbers are compensated for altitude and temperature. That way the numbers are the same no matter where in the country you get the dyno done.
The dyno numbers are compensated for altitude and temperature. That way the numbers are the same no matter where in the country you get the dyno done.
The SAE temperature corrections are only relevant for chassis dyno where the ignition timing is fixed.
08-17-2002, 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by WebToker
Guess I wont feel too bad about running up against a 6speed if that ever happens. It will all depend on if that guy can shift or not.
Guess I wont feel too bad about running up against a 6speed if that ever happens. It will all depend on if that guy can shift or not.
:pfawk: :pfawk: :pfawk: Now i don't feel that bad that i didn't trade my car in for a six speed.
08-17-2002, 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
Not necessarily... With higher temps your IAT readings will be higher which will pull back timing and reduce power. This is not and cannot be compensated for as all electronically controlled ignitions are different in the severity which the timing is adjusted based in intake temperatures.
The SAE temperature corrections are only relevant for chassis dyno where the ignition timing is fixed.
Not necessarily... With higher temps your IAT readings will be higher which will pull back timing and reduce power. This is not and cannot be compensated for as all electronically controlled ignitions are different in the severity which the timing is adjusted based in intake temperatures.
The SAE temperature corrections are only relevant for chassis dyno where the ignition timing is fixed.
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