Found this on another board. Just some food for thought.

IBTheZainoNutsComeAndDefend



I've purchased products from Griots Garage in the past and I must say I've gotten great results. With that said, all I hear about is Zaino and how it's supposed to be the best so I sent Griots Garage an e-mail asking if they ever competed in any head to head comparisons and here is what they had to say:

Thank you for your email and interest in Got's Garage! We feel that our line of products is above and beyond any other. The natural ingredients we use with the ease of application will make them a benefit to your paint.

I have to say that I am not as familiar with Zaino Bros. as we are with other companies, however, we have tested our products against all of the other guys waxes, polishes, etc. The main thing that separates our products from others on the market is additives. For example, most companies choose to cut their waxes with silicones, unnatural oils, or whatever ZFX is, we use all natural yellow carnauba with natural oils to turn it into a paste (since 100% carnauba is a brick). With other products you get what they call a "wet look" or a "glossy finish" this is the unnatural shine that you immediately see. Paint should not look like it is wet. Any Concours event or car show will look at your paint and the depth of shine. With a magnifying loop, it will be easy to tell that you have simply "glazed" your paint with additives or filled your swirl marks with a compound (rather than actually polished them away). A wet look is not necessarily "better".

The page of information I looked at for this company (which is their main website) mentions products with words like "gloss" in them. This should be a red flag when it comes to car care. No matter what product you choose, people tend to think that the glossier or "wetter" the paint looks, the better. This is untrue. Again, wet is unnatural but, more importantly, these products are named glosses due to the additives inside. These additives can clog the pores (whether it be paint, rubber, vinyl, plastic, leather, etc) and may cause the material to spider web or crack. Luckily, these product lines contain products to fill spider webs! Not to mention, I got lost following the "application" process of this product line as the list of products and the process I was advised to follow was extremely long (too many products are necessary).

With Griot's Garage, you will get products that are as close to "all natural" as they can possibly be. Our waxes are yellow carnauba based (we don't even stop at the inferior white carnauba), our polishes are actual polishes (not filler compounds) that are water based to be gentle on your surface. A proper process with our products is to wash your paint and then clay to remove any embedded contaminates. Now address your paint and see if you need to polish out any swirl marks, after that apply a coat of all natural wax. That's IT!

With our Polishes, you will get a stair step effect (assuming you are polishing with a random orbital). These water based polishes are designed to "break down" during usage. Meaning, if you use the proper amount, you will remove the swirl marks from your clear coat (by manipulating the clear microscopically) and have only a slight dusting of debris left (which can be easily removed with a soft cloth). Our wax will give you a very deep and natural shine. The list goes on and on.

The thing to tell your friends and neighbors is that our products are natural and are designed to work on my daily driver, a black VW jetta as well as they do on a 2 million dollar Ferrari. Our Wheel Cleaner is approved by BBS (wheel manufacturer for Ferrari, Lotus, Opel, BMW, VW, Aston Martin, on and on) which is an extremely difficult approval to get (and I believe we are the only company with BBS' seal of approval). Also, the winningest Ferrari in the world uses Griot's Garage products exclusively. The Ferrari that has won the most Concours events, best in shows, 1st places, ribbons, trophies, etc. uses our products exclusively (it's the silver Ferrari you've seen on our cover from time to time). The fact that we design, develop, produce, bottle and ship all of car care products ourselves (we do not sell third party car care products) is the reason why we have been in business as long as we have and the reason why our customers have brought home as many awards as they have.

Again, thank you for your email and your dedication to our products. I apologize that there is not more "side by side" comparison information between our products and others. We prefer to have ours stand on their own (which they do well). There are a lot of people who enjoy the unnatural shine of a "wet" product. Once they read between then lines, however, and find that they are causing harm to the expensive paint that they are trying to protect (and the fact that the same company is selling them another product to cover those defects) they usually give us a try and decide to stick with us. I hope this information will be helpful. If you have any additional questions please feel free to call our Customer Service Department at (800) 345-5789 6am - 8pm M-F and 7am - 3:30pm Saturday PST. Thanks again for your e-mail and have a great day!

 

if you are a wax guru pick up http://www.gurureports.org/ wax report. Zaino blew the comp away. Griots finished 16th. I buy tons of stuff from griots and they have great products, but I've never tried there wax.

In the report the only thing that sucked about Zaino was that it takes so many coats. But they gave it an A-. The best Griots got a C+

2nd place: P21S Concours-look carnuba
3rd place: Klasse All-in-one & sealant Glaze
4th place: Armor All Protective Barrier



these guys took 46 different waxes and did pretty good testing. They put the wax on and then gave it grades for things like shine, gloss, depth, clarity, reflectivity, slickness, color enhancement, and overall impression. They did this every week for 8 weeks.

in the test there was one A, 9 B's, and the rest were C's.


it should be also noted that this test was Independent, they did not inform any of the companies they tried of it and purchased everything on their own. When they first started releasing results on their website Zaino did poor, but they later retried it and determined they hadn't applied it correctly.

www.thewaxtest.com was their old site

 

I've used Zanio and the other brand I've used is S100 you canget it from any harley dealer

 

I know more about paint than most people would ever want to know about, and I will take all the gloss I can get.

Aitplanes are painted with a liquid polyurethane that is especially designed to give that "wet look".

Don't know what this guys problem is.

 

he's trying to sell his product

 

'whatever ZFX is'...

at least know ytour competitions product before ranking on it.

I do use griots chrome car polish though. its the bombay.

I recently got a whole meguiars gold class kit. Its pretty damn decent, (and thats coming from a zaino freak).

/rant

 

Zaino has been good to me...and, my woman just bought me 2 bottles of Z2 an 2 bottles of Z6 for X-mas.....so I'm gonna stick to the best!

 

1) who cares about competitions anyhow

2) we all know, if we buffed all our swirls out...we'd have to take off half the clear coat...not to mention the spider-webs we'd have in the finish.

I'll stick with LG...

 

Anyone here ever used this before?

 

all this wax talk in the winter sucks

 

I am curious too. I use Eagle One wax n dry, But this sounds better.

http://www.armorall.com/prodcat/pages/spray_2.17.html

and I would guess cheaper

 

waiting for Shawn S any minute now

 

zaino >*

 

I don’t care if Zaino is made from depleted uranium or ground up baby seals, the shit works and I’m gonna keep using it.

Shawn S

 

2nd place: P21S Concours-look carnuba

Thats what i use. I like it cuz its cheap

 

 

Actually, it's made from depleted seals. These are very rare as they are... you know, depleted. Or was it ground up uranium?

BTW, I have no problem with carnauba. When I run out I'll check out the Zaino... unless someone wants to give me a freebie now in exchange for an endorsement.

 

hey, I have that eagle one wax as you dry... does a decent fucking job if you're in a hurry.

I go it for free at hot import nights a year ago. Since I ran out of Z6, I used it since it was the closets thing.

Nice product!

The 'mist' that comes out of the bottle is the best 'mister' ive ever seen. I'll be saving that bottle for other fluids once i run out.

 

I tried Zaino last summer for the first time, and have since never looked back. It's amazing stuff. It's pricey, but well worth it.

I love it when I give my car fresh coats, and it rains the next day. Water droplets just sitting on the car, and people are like, "What the hell is wrong with your car? Why does it look like that?"

They don't know any better.

 

yeah, of course the guy isn't gonna give you an "unbiased" review of stuff competing with what he wants to sell.

and if this guy thinks "gloss" is a bad thing, i gotta '85 ford tempo with original paint job in "car show" condition to sell him.

 

[size=huge]GRIOTS suffers from: Not-Good-If Not-Invented-Here Syndrome (NGI-NIH)[/size]


I've bought a quite few things from Griots (and a number of other product vendors)

However:

They are way overpriced.
They "re-package" products that are available elsewhere.
They have misinformed me on multiple occasions (Instead of just saying, "I don't know", they had to continue with endless BS.)

IMO, these guys are the last guys you want to be asking about Zaino.


I've been lazy and busy with other tasks of late and my multiple coats of Zaino is still protecting my car – perfectly! It's been months since I've tossed any on and I am amazed at how well it allows me to removed bugs, tar, and other crud off the car.

If you want a product that is going to protect your car from NASTY stuff go with Zaino or TS Clear Coat.

Wait until these guys get a non-carnauba product. They will be singing a different tune (Just like they did with the MF towels.)

 

When the weather clears up i'm gonna have to give either the Eagle One or Armorall spray a try.

How do you like the Eagle One?

 

zaino leather cleaner & conditioner ain't got nothin' on pinnacle leather cleaner & conditioner.

I still need to try 303.

 

Well this is what my pro detailer told me.

Zaino is a chemical wax and adds an awesome wet look to your paint...it shines well but there is no depth to the shine. Your paint job should be like a mirror like finish. Which means it needs DEPTH. Thats why no matter what he always perfers to use natural waxes on my car. Natural waxes add the best depth to any paint.

Here is a tip i learned from the show circuit. You mix 50/50 of natural wax and synthethic wax. But i heard its no too good for you paint all the time.

 

Zaino in the spring/summer
Mequires gold class wax in the fall/winter


Zaino is merely a polish. It doesn't really protect your paint. Its not a wax.

 

I was under the impression that Zaino was a polymer based paint sealant...not a wax at all.

So how does natural carnuba do a better job than a paint sealant?

And I've never seen a shine "deeper" than Zaino & I don't even use it.

 

Zaino > *

How many other products can coat my car 3 times over with 1 oz of polish/wax, look as good and last as long?

 

WOW.....TONS of funny but bad information here about ZAINO.
I don’t have the time or initiative to TRY and counter it all.
Continue with your one-sided views people.

To the newcomers, check out http://www.zainostore.com before believing all this BS.

Shawn S

 

I agree.....ZAINO SUCKS. No "depth" at all in this photo.

 

Hey is it really true that Zaino doesn't protect your car paint? I use zaino mostly to protect the paint since recent Acuras don't seem to have a good reputation in terms of paint holding up. So far Zaino seems to have protected my car pretty well, even with all the snow and ice...

Anyways, zaino provides a pretty mirror like shine on my car, not sure what your 'pro detailer' is talking about ...

 

Bling and Bling to that pic...wow.

Cannot be any doubt after that shot...

 

We need to have a polymer sealant seminar to school the youngins.

I don't even use Z & I know tons about it from you Shawn...proof is in the pics.

Not to mention, my Liquid Glass makes this snow/slush/salt crap fall right off.

 

[size=large]That is the lamest comment I've seen in years. [/size]

YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE

BTW, I use a variety of products.

If you used it, knew anything about it, or knew anybody who used it who didn't put it on with sandpaper, you would know the protection provided by it is top notch. I use Zaino in conjunction with Diamond Shield (on bottom) to help protect my windshield from pitting.

Go to: www.autopia.org and do a search on Zaino.

 

 

Im gonna try expensive zanio this year and if it doesnt blow away my $29 P21s then its your asses.

 

Crazy why not your S100 $14.95 wax, its the same as P21S man!

 

I know, i use S100.... but i just said Ps1s since it was mentioned in this thread and most dont know what S100 is.

I still use Ps1s polish though

 

:o
didnt need florecent lighting for this

 

i like zaino, i've used so many polishes and waxes (working at a dealership, they change suppliers often) and zaino works for me.


The only thing i can tell you is never use z2 on raw carbon fiber, or non clearcoated, it attacks the resin and turns it dull with a yellowy look, i found this out the hard way, it can be corrected but not by polishing, you have to sand it down and shoot it with clear some people i know just left the resin on it without polish and had no dulling, i polished mine and it looked great for about a week, then went downhill quick

this was on my Aprilia, i don't think too many CLowners have carbon hoods or anything else carbon on the car

 

Mequires gold class wax ...works good for me.