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Originally posted by Maximized
What the stock auto Z is right around what a modded auto CL-S puts down. Dont forget to factor in that the CL-S is 200 lbs heavier
What the stock auto Z is right around what a modded auto CL-S puts down. Dont forget to factor in that the CL-S is 200 lbs heavier
250 hp to the wheels compared to 220 for a auto z. The Z is toast. 200lb will make a little difference but not enough.
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Just to give everyone a idea. I found this post also. A WRX wagon handing the Z its ass on a roll...
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My friend Chris got a black 350Z Track Edition recently. It now has 2000 miles on the odo, is a 6 speed (duh), and is still stock.
His car is so nice, it hurts. It has factory HIDs, great sounds from the motor, strong acceleration, LSD, INSANE BRAKES. They are Brembo calipers. The Track also has those really nice and light Volk/Rays 18" wheels.
We wanted to see what would happen from a rolling start race, because we both knew what would happen from a stop. We got about 6-7 runs from varying speeds. It turns out his car is a little tepid in first and second gears, but a lot stronger in 3rd, 4th, and 5th.
From a three honk start first gear roll, I put three cars on him and held it. From any other gear, I'd pull out a solid car ahead, then up in 4th around 120, I'd start creeping away a little more, to the tune of about 1/2 car. The race wasn't too dramatic, I'd spool and pull, and his car accelerated steadily and evenly the whole time. He is a good driver, and although I think I can upshift pretty fast, he's a little quicker.
He was just a little disappointed with the results, but he shouldn't be IMO. His car looks 50x better than mine, and I think his motor is still a little green. Once it wakes up from more mileage, it should definitely be better. All in all, it was a really fun time!
Another WRX with TXS stealth, uppipe, same boost as me, IC hoses, and with factory axle-back in place raced him also, but the restrictive exhaust hurt his run at speed when he had to shift to fourth, and the Z pulled away pretty hard at about 95mph. That same WRX sedan is pretty much equal to mine on the track with his factory muffler pulled. That was a pretty good testament to how restrictive the factory axle back can be. IMO, after you do an uppipe, at least an axle back should be your second mod on a WRX, because we've discovered it can really hold you back, especially at higher speeds.
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660: 8.46@81.8 1320: 13.30@102
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My friend Chris got a black 350Z Track Edition recently. It now has 2000 miles on the odo, is a 6 speed (duh), and is still stock.
His car is so nice, it hurts. It has factory HIDs, great sounds from the motor, strong acceleration, LSD, INSANE BRAKES. They are Brembo calipers. The Track also has those really nice and light Volk/Rays 18" wheels.
We wanted to see what would happen from a rolling start race, because we both knew what would happen from a stop. We got about 6-7 runs from varying speeds. It turns out his car is a little tepid in first and second gears, but a lot stronger in 3rd, 4th, and 5th.
From a three honk start first gear roll, I put three cars on him and held it. From any other gear, I'd pull out a solid car ahead, then up in 4th around 120, I'd start creeping away a little more, to the tune of about 1/2 car. The race wasn't too dramatic, I'd spool and pull, and his car accelerated steadily and evenly the whole time. He is a good driver, and although I think I can upshift pretty fast, he's a little quicker.
He was just a little disappointed with the results, but he shouldn't be IMO. His car looks 50x better than mine, and I think his motor is still a little green. Once it wakes up from more mileage, it should definitely be better. All in all, it was a really fun time!
Another WRX with TXS stealth, uppipe, same boost as me, IC hoses, and with factory axle-back in place raced him also, but the restrictive exhaust hurt his run at speed when he had to shift to fourth, and the Z pulled away pretty hard at about 95mph. That same WRX sedan is pretty much equal to mine on the track with his factory muffler pulled. That was a pretty good testament to how restrictive the factory axle back can be. IMO, after you do an uppipe, at least an axle back should be your second mod on a WRX, because we've discovered it can really hold you back, especially at higher speeds.
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11-10-2002, 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by SilverBullet
A fully modded CL-S puts down around 235-240 hp to the wheels. Of course thats before the UDP. UDP closer to 250 now probably since someone dynoed it and it gave 10 hp.
250 hp to the wheels compared to 220 for a auto z. The Z is toast. 200lb will make a little difference but not enough.
A fully modded CL-S puts down around 235-240 hp to the wheels. Of course thats before the UDP. UDP closer to 250 now probably since someone dynoed it and it gave 10 hp.
250 hp to the wheels compared to 220 for a auto z. The Z is toast. 200lb will make a little difference but not enough.
11-10-2002, 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by SilverBullet
Umm me lied about the GTP races?! I NEVER FUCKING LIED in that thread. You were OWNED IN that thread like you are in this THREAD. The GTP owner now is a good friend of mine. You want to ask someone that knows my car. go to www.clubgp.com and ask DROD. He is a friend of the GTP I ran, and he has the same mods. He knows the races, and out of 10 RACES rolls, we were DEAD EVEN each damn time. When his belt was slipping is the only time I actually pulled on him. After he fixed the belt we had many other races which were all DEAD EVEN. Wow, I don't believe anyone actually posts losses. Anywhere. It's rare you see one. I have lost to cars, but haven't lost to any cars that are rated slower than me thats for sure.
You have already made yourself look like a ass. Good don't post, because everyone is sick of your BS lies on here.
Umm me lied about the GTP races?! I NEVER FUCKING LIED in that thread. You were OWNED IN that thread like you are in this THREAD. The GTP owner now is a good friend of mine. You want to ask someone that knows my car. go to www.clubgp.com and ask DROD. He is a friend of the GTP I ran, and he has the same mods. He knows the races, and out of 10 RACES rolls, we were DEAD EVEN each damn time. When his belt was slipping is the only time I actually pulled on him. After he fixed the belt we had many other races which were all DEAD EVEN. Wow, I don't believe anyone actually posts losses. Anywhere. It's rare you see one. I have lost to cars, but haven't lost to any cars that are rated slower than me thats for sure.
You have already made yourself look like a ass. Good don't post, because everyone is sick of your BS lies on here.
Take a reading comprenhension course. I said on other internet forums. You did lie about the GTP by claiming you won both races on video, when it is clear you lost one, which I pointed out. You then changed your story when I caught you. I used to post loses a long time ago. I lost to a RSX-S that suprised me. I dont race on the road much though anymore becuase I learned my leason.
11-10-2002, 01:52 PM
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Oh gawd... I am sorry I started this thread - freaking ridiculous now!!! Let's end it.
I'll just keep you folks posted when I smoke the next Z.
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I'll just keep you folks posted when I smoke the next Z.
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11-10-2002, 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by Maximized
Please show me a modded Auto putting down 250 fwhp or even 240. Most that I see are around 220-230. I didnt search real thorough though.
Please show me a modded Auto putting down 250 fwhp or even 240. Most that I see are around 220-230. I didnt search real thorough though.
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Originally posted by SilverBullet
So your losing around 21% with the automatic. I looked for some results on this site from a standard dyno but could not find any would like to see the difference in loss in auto vs standard. im thinking 1-2%. So if any of you standard owners have dynoed pls post your results.
So your losing around 21% with the automatic. I looked for some results on this site from a standard dyno but could not find any would like to see the difference in loss in auto vs standard. im thinking 1-2%. So if any of you standard owners have dynoed pls post your results.
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0210scc_zthrash/
rwhp= 244hp
rwtrq= 238 lb-ft
15% loss with the 6sp.
11-10-2002, 03:10 PM
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i have never dyno'd, but i would guess i'm putting down between 240-250 whp. 
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Originally posted by Maximized
Take a reading comprenhension course. I said on other internet forums. You did lie about the GTP by claiming you won both races on video, when it is clear you lost one, which I pointed out. You then changed your story when I caught you. I used to post loses a long time ago. I lost to a RSX-S that suprised me. I dont race on the road much though anymore becuase I learned my leason.
Take a reading comprenhension course. I said on other internet forums. You did lie about the GTP by claiming you won both races on video, when it is clear you lost one, which I pointed out. You then changed your story when I caught you. I used to post loses a long time ago. I lost to a RSX-S that suprised me. I dont race on the road much though anymore becuase I learned my leason.
11-10-2002, 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by Maximized
Please show me a modded Auto putting down 250 fwhp or even 240. Most that I see are around 220-230. I didnt search real thorough though.
Please show me a modded Auto putting down 250 fwhp or even 240. Most that I see are around 220-230. I didnt search real thorough though.
And he doesn't have all the mods available either. Do a search since you have access. You will find a few around 240.
Oh yea....
14.3 at 99 mph only headers 2002 Auto CL-S.. WOW! Faster than the Z. Must be something wrong here...if the auto can do that, then a 6spd will absolutely kill a Z with just headers.
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...highlight=dyno
I thought you weren't going to post anymore?! lol.
You sir don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Edit: Just to add....GTI 1.8T with some mods, beat a Z, and on a roll the z barely beat it. hmmm..
Last night I'm going home and Im at a light. I see a black 350Z turn right on to the street that I'm on so I start itching for my light to turn green to chase after the black Z. My light finally turns green and the light infront of him turns red, we line up right next to each other as if by some act of god. It was an older guy probably in his late 30's early 40's so I figured the set up was in vein. Our light turned green and I took off cautiously because infront of us on the opposite lane there was a a cop with someone pulled over, once past the cop by a good block and me holding my car in 3rd, I hear him gun it and I give chase.....from a roll he had me by a good 2 cars and then stopped pulling.....i figured he wasnt trying too hard.
We catch another light. We take off slowly and he gets behind me....i had this "wtf" face, once behind me he gives me his high beams and I get the drift, I floor it and so does he...he didnt pass me by 100 and I let off because it was a 45mph street. All in all we ran about two more times, I didnt run him out the hole cause I know RWD would own me, the car has a beautiful exhaust note and it definately hauls ass. Rolling he would own me by 2 cars, and Im sure after 120 he would murder me top end.
NOW I dont know if I ran an auto 350z (do they come auto?) And while I was admiring his beautiful tail lights he blew out a healthy puff of black smoke when he shifted, is that normal?
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11-10-2002, 05:22 PM
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We can argue about this forever. When its proven at the track which car is faster, then come back and talk to me. Until then its all speculation. The Z just came out, so give it some time.
BTW....That modded GTI is definetly a low 14s (possibly high 13s) car with the mods listed in the sig and the Z beat it by 2 car.
BTW....That modded GTI is definetly a low 14s (possibly high 13s) car with the mods listed in the sig and the Z beat it by 2 car.
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Originally posted by Maximized
We can argue about this forever. When its proven at the track which car is faster, then come back and talk to me. Until then its all speculation. The Z just came out, so give it some time.
BTW....That modded GTI is definetly a low 14s (possibly high 13s) car with the mods listed in the sig and the Z beat it by 2 car.
We can argue about this forever. When its proven at the track which car is faster, then come back and talk to me. Until then its all speculation. The Z just came out, so give it some time.
BTW....That modded GTI is definetly a low 14s (possibly high 13s) car with the mods listed in the sig and the Z beat it by 2 car.
11-10-2002, 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by SilverBullet
Mid to high 14 sec GTI is all that car is. I am part of a VW club locally and was about to get a 1.8t and read alot about them. It takes them ALOT just to hit 13s.
Mid to high 14 sec GTI is all that car is. I am part of a VW club locally and was about to get a 1.8t and read alot about them. It takes them ALOT just to hit 13s.
http://www.18turbo.com/18t-quartermile.html
Again, you are wrong.
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Originally posted by Maximized
Explain this please.....
http://www.18turbo.com/18t-quartermile.html
Again, you are wrong.
Explain this please.....
http://www.18turbo.com/18t-quartermile.html
Again, you are wrong.
The 2002 doesn't get as much of a increase as the 2001 due to different ecu tuning already.
Again, it takes alot to get a 1.8t into the 13s, it can run mid 14s with basic bolt ons.
Also on that list, it doesn't show ALL there mods, they had more than just those to hit 13s
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Originally posted by SilverBullet
Look at the year... duh
The 2002 doesn't get as much of a increase as the 2001 due to different ecu tuning already.
Again, it takes alot to get a 1.8t into the 13s, it can run mid 14s with basic bolt ons.
Also on that list, it doesn't show ALL there mods, they had more than just those to hit 13s
Look at the year... duh
The 2002 doesn't get as much of a increase as the 2001 due to different ecu tuning already.
Again, it takes alot to get a 1.8t into the 13s, it can run mid 14s with basic bolt ons.
Also on that list, it doesn't show ALL there mods, they had more than just those to hit 13s
The tuned 02's lose about 10 hp and 5 ft/lbs vs the 01' Chips.
With these mods:
'02 Reflex Silver GTi 1.8T |Upsoluted!|3" Downpipe/HF Cat|Forge DV|Koni Adjustable - H&R Sports|Kamei|NB Turbo Badge
The car is easily a mid/low 14s car
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Originally posted by Maximized
The tuning 02s loses about 10 hp and 5 ft/lbs vs the 01' Chips.
With these mods:
'02 Reflex Silver GTi 1.8T |Upsoluted!|3" Downpipe/HF Cat|Forge DV|Koni Adjustable - H&R Sports|Kamei|NB Turbo Badge
The car is easily a mid/low 14s car
The tuning 02s loses about 10 hp and 5 ft/lbs vs the 01' Chips.
With these mods:
'02 Reflex Silver GTi 1.8T |Upsoluted!|3" Downpipe/HF Cat|Forge DV|Koni Adjustable - H&R Sports|Kamei|NB Turbo Badge
The car is easily a mid/low 14s car
11-10-2002, 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by typeR
please you two take it to PM or some kinda' IM ...it's not amusing
please you two take it to PM or some kinda' IM ...it's not amusing
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only a matter of time
350Z is a very good platform to work with. The powerplant has wet the appetite of aftermarket companies already with the Altima/Maxima/G35 releases. As they are on the road now, is as slow as they will be.
11-10-2002, 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by SilverBullet
Then ban him since as you see he is always causing problems here.
Then ban him since as you see he is always causing problems here.
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Originally posted by Maximized
How am I causing problems? I was having a civilized conversation until you came in. If you have problems with me take it to PM as the mod said above. Otherwise you are causing problems
How am I causing problems? I was having a civilized conversation until you came in. If you have problems with me take it to PM as the mod said above. Otherwise you are causing problems
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Originally posted by SilverBullet
Seems to me that you were the one attacking not me. You attack everyone in most of these threads anyways and others here are tired of you. Please leave. You don't own a CL-S or TL-S or a Acura at that. Go back to your Nissan family and have fun. Enjoy the drive while it lasts.
Seems to me that you were the one attacking not me. You attack everyone in most of these threads anyways and others here are tired of you. Please leave. You don't own a CL-S or TL-S or a Acura at that. Go back to your Nissan family and have fun. Enjoy the drive while it lasts.
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well i hope this ends the spat
today we had a 10 cars duke it out on the street
local clubs have a 1/2 mile stretch to give
its run by our local police sgt.
2002 altima
2002 Maxima
2002 cl
honda 2000
01 lightning
02 camaro 35 anv
93 celica
2003 350Z auto and man
2002 wrx sti
1st heat
altima vs cl
cl wins by two cars
2nd heat
altima vs max
maxima wins by 1 1/2 cars
3rd heat
wrx vs lightning
wrx wins by two cars
4th heat
wrx vs honda 2000
wrx wins by car
5th
350z man vs wrx
wrx wins by 2 cars
6th
350z man vs honda 2000
2000 wins by 1/2 car
7th
celica vs 350z
celica wins by 3
8th
camaro vs wrx
camero by nose
9th
camaro vs wrx
camero by 1/2 car
10
camaro vs wrx
camero by 1/2 car
11
celica vs camero
camero by nose
12
camero vs 350z
camero by 3 cars
13
cl vs maxima
cl by nose
14
cl vs maxima
tie
15
cl vs maxima
cl by 1/2 car
16
cl vs 350z man
350z by car
17
cl vs 350z man
350z by car
18
cl vs 350z auto
cl wins by nose
19
cl vs 350z auto
cl wins by car
these races were done by guys that have track experince.
there were 10 other races by everyday drivers i will post next thread.
today we had a 10 cars duke it out on the street
local clubs have a 1/2 mile stretch to give
its run by our local police sgt.
2002 altima
2002 Maxima
2002 cl
honda 2000
01 lightning
02 camaro 35 anv
93 celica
2003 350Z auto and man
2002 wrx sti
1st heat
altima vs cl
cl wins by two cars
2nd heat
altima vs max
maxima wins by 1 1/2 cars
3rd heat
wrx vs lightning
wrx wins by two cars
4th heat
wrx vs honda 2000
wrx wins by car
5th
350z man vs wrx
wrx wins by 2 cars
6th
350z man vs honda 2000
2000 wins by 1/2 car
7th
celica vs 350z
celica wins by 3
8th
camaro vs wrx
camero by nose
9th
camaro vs wrx
camero by 1/2 car
10
camaro vs wrx
camero by 1/2 car
11
celica vs camero
camero by nose
12
camero vs 350z
camero by 3 cars
13
cl vs maxima
cl by nose
14
cl vs maxima
tie
15
cl vs maxima
cl by 1/2 car
16
cl vs 350z man
350z by car
17
cl vs 350z man
350z by car
18
cl vs 350z auto
cl wins by nose
19
cl vs 350z auto
cl wins by car
these races were done by guys that have track experince.
there were 10 other races by everyday drivers i will post next thread.
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10 races
1.350z auto vs cl aut
tie
2. 350z man vs cl man
cl by car
3. wrx vs 350 man
wrx by 3
4.wrx vs camaro
wrx wis by 1/2 car
5 lightning vs 350z man
by truck lenght
6.wrx vs lightning
wrx by 1/2 cars.
7. maxima vs 350z man
maxima by car
8.maxima vs 350z man
maxima by 1/2 car
9.maxima vs cl
cl by 1/2 car
10.350z vs 01 lightning
lightning by truck.
the guy that owns the 350z is a local business guy and has 11,000 kilmeters on his car. he said that the car is very hard to control for racing and isn't as easy as his 01 lightning.
the easiest car to race and handle was the wrx
2. camaro
3.maxima,cl,altima
4.honda 2000
5.celica
6.350z
the 350z auto is fun but cars can beat this one.
from my club chairman
people race on the street
and anything can happen it will not be uncommon for a cl or maxima to beat a 350z
the 350z man is a hard car to race and requires experince.
7 out 10 people lease their cars and drive stock,and will race on the streets if the chance arises.
when a race happens people don't have a chance to scout their opponent out like racing at the track. once the light turns green anything can happen.
1.350z auto vs cl aut
tie
2. 350z man vs cl man
cl by car
3. wrx vs 350 man
wrx by 3
4.wrx vs camaro
wrx wis by 1/2 car
5 lightning vs 350z man
by truck lenght
6.wrx vs lightning
wrx by 1/2 cars.
7. maxima vs 350z man
maxima by car
8.maxima vs 350z man
maxima by 1/2 car
9.maxima vs cl
cl by 1/2 car
10.350z vs 01 lightning
lightning by truck.
the guy that owns the 350z is a local business guy and has 11,000 kilmeters on his car. he said that the car is very hard to control for racing and isn't as easy as his 01 lightning.
the easiest car to race and handle was the wrx
2. camaro
3.maxima,cl,altima
4.honda 2000
5.celica
6.350z
the 350z auto is fun but cars can beat this one.
from my club chairman
people race on the street
and anything can happen it will not be uncommon for a cl or maxima to beat a 350z
the 350z man is a hard car to race and requires experince.
7 out 10 people lease their cars and drive stock,and will race on the streets if the chance arises.
when a race happens people don't have a chance to scout their opponent out like racing at the track. once the light turns green anything can happen.
11-11-2002, 05:16 AM
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Actually, on the CLS, headers give a pretty large increase in power compared to most other cars. (25-30 wheel hp)
Actually, on the CLS, headers give a pretty large increase in power compared to most other cars. (25-30 wheel hp)
11-11-2002, 05:19 AM
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well i hope this ends the spat
today we had a 10 cars duke it out on the street
well i hope this ends the spat
today we had a 10 cars duke it out on the street
Nope, you just invalidated everything you said as far as Maximized is concerned because you were on the STREET. He will ignore everything that happens in the real world unless it's at his magical TRACK. He has said so many times.
Can we be rid of him now? Please?
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Originally posted by Maximized
Again there is a private message feature on this forum.
Again there is a private message feature on this forum.
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Originally posted by JRock
Only for around 2000rpm on the tach: 5000-7000.
Only for around 2000rpm on the tach: 5000-7000.
11-11-2002, 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by JRock
Nope, you just invalidated everything you said as far as Maximized is concerned because you were on the STREET. He will ignore everything that happens in the real world unless it's at his magical TRACK. He has said so many times.
Can we be rid of him now? Please?
Nope, you just invalidated everything you said as far as Maximized is concerned because you were on the STREET. He will ignore everything that happens in the real world unless it's at his magical TRACK. He has said so many times.
Can we be rid of him now? Please?
11-11-2002, 08:40 AM
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Did a little search in the Dyno Gallery. The member Scalbert dynoed with the major bolt ons and got 2040 FWHP (I will give him a few whp for a broken in enigne). How is a car that put down similar HP going to beat a car thats 200 lbs lighter????? Answer me that Its simple physics.
Its simple physics.
11-11-2002, 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Maximized
Did a little search in the Dyno Gallery. The member Scalbert dynoed with the major bolt ons and got 2040 FWHP (I will give him a few whp for a broken in enigne). How is a car that put down similar HP going to beat a car thats 200 lbs lighter????? Answer me that Its simple physics.
Did a little search in the Dyno Gallery. The member Scalbert dynoed with the major bolt ons and got 2040 FWHP (I will give him a few whp for a broken in enigne). How is a car that put down similar HP going to beat a car thats 200 lbs lighter????? Answer me that
Its simple physics.
BTW, it was 241 WHP, thank you. But I disagree with the major bolt-ons; the headers were the only thing significant. I did have an AEM CAI but it is not the one for the CL-S, it was made for the Accord V6 and has smaller diameter piping and was modified to fit the CL-S. The AEM pulleys are not worth discussing as the amount to nothing more than looks. That is all that was on the car at 800 miles on the OD at the time of the dyno in early August.
With a proper intake, a broken in engine along with better air 250 would have been possible. But that is irrelevant here as it is still close to what the Z would put down.
I am not getting into this debate as allmotor's run would not indicate all similar situations. But I did want to address the question of how, this is just hypothetical and does not completely reflect my own opinions, a car with similar WHP and 200 lbs more could potentially beat the lighter vehicle. Yes, physics comes into play but you failed to identify all aspects. You merely simplified the numbers to suit the argument.
I could not find the gearing for the Z on Nissan's website, anyone have this?? But without this I'll make an assumption that potentially the CL-S6 has more aggressive over-all gearing. This could easily account for a weight penalty alone.
One other area for this argument is the power band. If the Z's curve looks similar to the Maxima's I have seen, albeit elevated, it would drop off quickly after the peak value. With headers the CL-S6 extends on out. With the potentially more aggressive gearing and the ability to keep pulling as the revs pass 6200 the CL-S6, with its additional weight, now has a clear advantage.
But as mentioned, this is hypothetical and without additional specifications it is just speculation. But it is founded and does show how a car with more weight and similar power could win. Yes, it is about physics, but not as simple as first alluded to.
11-11-2002, 10:43 AM
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i wanted to go test drive a Z and i could test drive it unless i "signed an agreement to purchase based on the test drive" what the fuck?? also, when i spoke with them on the phone, they were VERY interested in taking my 2002 CL-S off my hands on a trade in. seriously, i wouldnt trade my car for a Z anyhow, i need the FWD for the milwaukee winters and i wouldnt be dumb enough to drive a 350Z 2 seat coupe around all year around here.
11-11-2002, 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
Wow, I made over two thousand horsepower...
BTW, it was 241 WHP, thank you. But I disagree with the major bolt-ons; the headers were the only thing significant. I did have an AEM CAI but it is not the one for the CL-S, it was made for the Accord V6 and has smaller diameter piping and was modified to fit the CL-S. The AEM pulleys are not worth discussing as the amount to nothing more than looks. That is all that was on the car at 800 miles on the OD at the time of the dyno in early August.
With a proper intake, a broken in engine along with better air 250 would have been possible. But that is irrelevant here as it is still close to what the Z would put down.
I am not getting into this debate as allmotor's run would not indicate all similar situations. But I did want to address the question of how, this is just hypothetical and does not completely reflect my own opinions, a car with similar WHP and 200 lbs more could potentially beat the lighter vehicle. Yes, physics comes into play but you failed to identify all aspects. You merely simplified the numbers to suit the argument.
I could not find the gearing for the Z on Nissan's website, anyone have this?? But without this I'll make an assumption that potentially the CL-S6 has more aggressive over-all gearing. This could easily account for a weight penalty alone.
One other area for this argument is the power band. If the Z's curve looks similar to the Maxima's I have seen, albeit elevated, it would drop off quickly after the peak value. With headers the CL-S6 extends on out. With the potentially more aggressive gearing and the ability to keep pulling as the revs pass 6200 the CL-S6, with its additional weight, now has a clear advantage.
But as mentioned, this is hypothetical and without additional specifications it is just speculation. But it is founded and does show how a car with more weight and similar power could win. Yes, it is about physics, but not as simple as first alluded to.
Wow, I made over two thousand horsepower...
BTW, it was 241 WHP, thank you. But I disagree with the major bolt-ons; the headers were the only thing significant. I did have an AEM CAI but it is not the one for the CL-S, it was made for the Accord V6 and has smaller diameter piping and was modified to fit the CL-S. The AEM pulleys are not worth discussing as the amount to nothing more than looks. That is all that was on the car at 800 miles on the OD at the time of the dyno in early August.
With a proper intake, a broken in engine along with better air 250 would have been possible. But that is irrelevant here as it is still close to what the Z would put down.
I am not getting into this debate as allmotor's run would not indicate all similar situations. But I did want to address the question of how, this is just hypothetical and does not completely reflect my own opinions, a car with similar WHP and 200 lbs more could potentially beat the lighter vehicle. Yes, physics comes into play but you failed to identify all aspects. You merely simplified the numbers to suit the argument.
I could not find the gearing for the Z on Nissan's website, anyone have this?? But without this I'll make an assumption that potentially the CL-S6 has more aggressive over-all gearing. This could easily account for a weight penalty alone.
One other area for this argument is the power band. If the Z's curve looks similar to the Maxima's I have seen, albeit elevated, it would drop off quickly after the peak value. With headers the CL-S6 extends on out. With the potentially more aggressive gearing and the ability to keep pulling as the revs pass 6200 the CL-S6, with its additional weight, now has a clear advantage.
But as mentioned, this is hypothetical and without additional specifications it is just speculation. But it is founded and does show how a car with more weight and similar power could win. Yes, it is about physics, but not as simple as first alluded to.
Here is a dyno for a Stock 350Z 6 speed....
http://www.my350z.com/forum/attachme...&postid=112252
It makes a lot more tq than a modded CL-S 6. Someone morph the 2 onto a single sheet and compare them. I will try to find gearing numbers.
11-11-2002, 01:24 PM
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wow... this is pretty much going nowhere huh?
everyone please keep the name calling out of this along with any personal attacks. i have been gone all weekend or else you would have gotten this warning a while ago.
this is your warning... no personal attacks and keep it to the topic Z vs. CLS or ist closed
everyone please keep the name calling out of this along with any personal attacks. i have been gone all weekend or else you would have gotten this warning a while ago.
this is your warning... no personal attacks and keep it to the topic Z vs. CLS or ist closed
11-11-2002, 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Punk em all 733
Good kill Allmotor!
Were do you workout?? Is it the Bailey's on DeSoto and I think Plummer??
Good kill Allmotor!
Were do you workout?? Is it the Bailey's on DeSoto and I think Plummer??
11-11-2002, 01:41 PM
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The 2002 CL-S vs. 350Z (6spd) shows a very good point here
(1) Takes Driver Experience out of the picture
(2) 2002 CL-S is an auto... hence gearing is NOT aggressive.
I assume the CL-S has headers, exhaust and intake
(3) The Z beat the CL-S by a car.
(4) Not knowing what this particular CL-S runs in the 1/4, I am assuming that the 'average' auto CL-S runs a 14.5. This means the Z runs around a 14.3.
(5) Now, back to my point earlier. A CL-S (6spd) with intake and header will beat a stock 350Z.
(6) A STOCK 6spd 350Z will NOT beat a well-driven and modded 6spd Cl-S.
(1) Takes Driver Experience out of the picture
(2) 2002 CL-S is an auto... hence gearing is NOT aggressive.
I assume the CL-S has headers, exhaust and intake
(3) The Z beat the CL-S by a car.
(4) Not knowing what this particular CL-S runs in the 1/4, I am assuming that the 'average' auto CL-S runs a 14.5. This means the Z runs around a 14.3.
(5) Now, back to my point earlier. A CL-S (6spd) with intake and header will beat a stock 350Z.
(6) A STOCK 6spd 350Z will NOT beat a well-driven and modded 6spd Cl-S.
11-11-2002, 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by Maximized
It makes a lot more tq than a modded CL-S 6. Someone morph the 2 onto a single sheet and compare them. I will try to find gearing numbers.
It makes a lot more tq than a modded CL-S 6. Someone morph the 2 onto a single sheet and compare them. I will try to find gearing numbers.
Here is the morph, well as best I could do with Paint:
11-11-2002, 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
Please do try and get the gearing, individual gears and final drive.
Here is the morph, well as best I could do with Paint:
Please do try and get the gearing, individual gears and final drive.
Here is the morph, well as best I could do with Paint:
Gear Gear Ratio Speed (Mph)
1 3.794 39.0
2 2.324 63.7
3 1.624 91.2
4 1.271 116.5
5 1.000 148.1
6 0.794 186.5
Redline in RPM 6600
Final Drive Ratio 3.538
Tire Circumfrence in inches 83.82135118
Track model with P245/45WR18 rear tires