Are XS Headers worth it?
Are XS Headers worth it?
I had my XS Headers installed last weekend after paying $110 plus $30 shipping. It cost me another $285 for the install.
First thing I noticed was the resonance at 2500 rpm plus the hissing noise. After reading the posts here I figured they could be resolved no problem.
Following morning I took my auto CLs out and ran 14.22 and 14.28 according to my Gtech accelerometer. The best time I ever ran before was a 14.6 in the qtr.
30 to 80 runs were 6.6 to 6.9. The best i ever ran before was a 7.28. It would appear the claim of a 30 hp increase with the headers is accurate.
I took my CL back to the shop and the installer found nothing wrong and told me to live with the noise. Since then I had it checked by two muffler shops and the consensus is the resonance is coming from inside the catalytic converter. He suggested a hi flow converter but shared it could make the noise worse.
I am wondering if a new stock cat would be worth the gamble. I have noted that some of my brothers out there have had no problems while many have had similar issues.
All three shops were very impressed with the quality of the headers. I like the improvement in the performance but the resonance is noticable even if it is only at 2500 rpm. I can live with the hissing but am considering going back to the stock headers for peace of mind.
First thing I noticed was the resonance at 2500 rpm plus the hissing noise. After reading the posts here I figured they could be resolved no problem.
Following morning I took my auto CLs out and ran 14.22 and 14.28 according to my Gtech accelerometer. The best time I ever ran before was a 14.6 in the qtr.
30 to 80 runs were 6.6 to 6.9. The best i ever ran before was a 7.28. It would appear the claim of a 30 hp increase with the headers is accurate.
I took my CL back to the shop and the installer found nothing wrong and told me to live with the noise. Since then I had it checked by two muffler shops and the consensus is the resonance is coming from inside the catalytic converter. He suggested a hi flow converter but shared it could make the noise worse.
I am wondering if a new stock cat would be worth the gamble. I have noted that some of my brothers out there have had no problems while many have had similar issues.
All three shops were very impressed with the quality of the headers. I like the improvement in the performance but the resonance is noticable even if it is only at 2500 rpm. I can live with the hissing but am considering going back to the stock headers for peace of mind.
I got an RT high flow cat on the way to compliment my XS Headers, should be sent out first of May.... I think that the hissing noise is just the air flowing much easier through pipes that are not as thick as the OEM ones.....?
Originally Posted by LiquidCLs6
has this hissing noise came up with everyone who installed these headers? if so how'd u fix it? I want these but not if the noise comes with em'. thanks...
Originally Posted by gaping46and2
No, not everyone who has installed XS headers has a problem with a "hissing" noise. As with all aftermarket headers, there will ALWAYS be an increase in noise, due to the fact the air is more free flowing, and the metal is thinner than the stock piping. It's just a fact of life and people need to deal with it.
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Originally Posted by gaping46and2
No, not everyone who has installed XS headers has a problem with a "hissing" noise. As with all aftermarket headers, there will ALWAYS be an increase in noise, due to the fact the air is more free flowing, and the metal is thinner than the stock piping. It's just a fact of life and people need to deal with it.
Originally Posted by zigzagzig
too bad there's nowhere to buy them anymore after the ebay stores got pulled
Installed mine about a week ago, hissing and a little resonance and all. Put a Magnaflow cat on today, hissing is still there and resonance was reduced a little. If you don't want to compromise the luxury side of your car, don't modd it(IMO). The more you modd it the more it turns in to a sports car (rougher ride, hissing and loud noises from exhaust and intake, squeaking from polly bushing ect.) I know there is fixes from some of these but there is always a compromise. IMAHO of course.
Personally I love the sound of these headers with a high flow cat
Personally I love the sound of these headers with a high flow cat
well if u paid around $150 for around 20-30 HP gains... resonance is a high possibility. xs power and comptech are the most popular choice IMO. compare $150 to $1100. comptech's are the BEST, but the price isn't. so i would never pay $1100 just for headers... so they are worth it, WAY worth it.
aight, well if theres anyway i can get these for 150 shipped still i'll place my order now! now this hissing noise, is it a noise like the CAI makes in high rpm's? like does it sound good for a sport car, or just rediculously annoying, n like a ricer?
Originally Posted by LiquidCLs6
aight, well if theres anyway i can get these for 150 shipped still i'll place my order now! now this hissing noise, is it a noise like the CAI makes in high rpm's? like does it sound good for a sport car, or just rediculously annoying, n like a ricer?
I know my AEM CAI makes a loud hissing sound if I'm feathering the gas pedal...
The headers hissing is not as loud as the CAI.
I agree, the hissing from the headers is less than from the CAI. It all comes down to how anal you are (and that isn't a bad thing, just how some people are). I don't think it sounds like a Civic and the resonance frequency really isnt that bad. Like everyone else is saying, definitely worth the gains!
BTW, at idle, the car still basically sounds stock.
BTW, at idle, the car still basically sounds stock.
I agree the AEM CAI is loud on cold starts, gets better but you can def. hear the vacuum sound on those cold mornings. If the xs headers are louder than I'll be searching for some comptech headers...I may buy a set if the price is right...
There is deffinately more noise on colder mornings, but it clears up after about 5 minutes of driving till the car gets warmed up. I'd hardly compare the sound of these headers to a Civic. The CL stock doesn't even compare. Now if your going to put a couple of coffee cans on the back of the CL, then you've got other things to worry about than sounding like a Civic.
I had my headers installed last night... I have a few gripes that make me reconsider if i want these headers..
1. WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE VTEC SWOOSH?!!
2. SOUNDS LIKE A NORMAL EVERYDAY V6 UNDER LOAD NOW
3. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS HISS NOISE WHEN EVER I TOUCH THE GAS
4. THIS FUCKING HISS NOISE IS PISSING ME OFF
5. THE A-PIPE FITMENT TO THE MANIFOLDS PRETTY MUCH SUCKED
6. THIS HISSING NOISE WAS TOTALLY UNEXPECTED...I'VE HAD HEADERS ON NUMEROUS CARS BEFORE... THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. IT SOUNDS LIKE A LEAK BUT I'VE HAD THEM LEAKED TESTED..NONE.
GOOD THINGS
1. ABSOLUTELY PULLS HARDER THEN STOCK ONCE YOU HIT 4500 RPM
2. EXHAUST NOISE AT THE MUFFLERS SOUNDS CLOSE TO AN NSX NOW... COOL
AGAIN, I MISS THE VTEC TONE!! ITS HARD TO DEAL WITH THAT...SINCE THAT WAS ONE THING THAT ATTRACTED ME TO THIS CAR. ITS LOST ITS CHARACTER... SO I GUESS WE'LL SEE HOW LONG I KEEP THEM ON.
ALSO DID YOUR HEADER BOX HAVE 3.0L ACCORD STAMPED ON IT? MINE DID...
1. WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE VTEC SWOOSH?!!
2. SOUNDS LIKE A NORMAL EVERYDAY V6 UNDER LOAD NOW
3. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS HISS NOISE WHEN EVER I TOUCH THE GAS
4. THIS FUCKING HISS NOISE IS PISSING ME OFF
5. THE A-PIPE FITMENT TO THE MANIFOLDS PRETTY MUCH SUCKED
6. THIS HISSING NOISE WAS TOTALLY UNEXPECTED...I'VE HAD HEADERS ON NUMEROUS CARS BEFORE... THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. IT SOUNDS LIKE A LEAK BUT I'VE HAD THEM LEAKED TESTED..NONE.
GOOD THINGS
1. ABSOLUTELY PULLS HARDER THEN STOCK ONCE YOU HIT 4500 RPM
2. EXHAUST NOISE AT THE MUFFLERS SOUNDS CLOSE TO AN NSX NOW... COOL
AGAIN, I MISS THE VTEC TONE!! ITS HARD TO DEAL WITH THAT...SINCE THAT WAS ONE THING THAT ATTRACTED ME TO THIS CAR. ITS LOST ITS CHARACTER... SO I GUESS WE'LL SEE HOW LONG I KEEP THEM ON.
ALSO DID YOUR HEADER BOX HAVE 3.0L ACCORD STAMPED ON IT? MINE DID...
yes, the fitment is exactly the same as the 98-02 (not sure about years) 3.0L accord v6.
there will be resonance, but not too much. and don't rant like that... makes you look like a retard.
there will be resonance, but not too much. and don't rant like that... makes you look like a retard.
Originally Posted by LIPPSTUH
yes, the fitment is exactly the same as the 98-02 (not sure about years) 3.0L accord v6.
there will be resonance, but not too much. and don't rant like that... makes you look like a retard.
there will be resonance, but not too much. and don't rant like that... makes you look like a retard.
Originally Posted by CLSixspeed
oh ok, i really dont care what it makes me look like... its an internet forum, its for ranting and all sorts of other non verbal communication
Oh and are you sure every thing was installed correctly with No leaks? The VTEC sound should not have disappeared.
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Yes it is a internet forum, but when ranting like that you are less likely to get responses.
Oh and are you sure every thing was installed correctly with No leaks? The VTEC sound should not have disappeared.
Oh and are you sure every thing was installed correctly with No leaks? The VTEC sound should not have disappeared.
Originally Posted by Excelerate
While I do hate XS Power/SS Autochrome and think their product is garbage, it should not have eliminated the "VTEC sound" like Kris said. Kris what is the name of that valve? IRMC? It's near the top of the valve cover and to the passenger side. When VTEC engages you will see a butterfly click over and that will let you know VTEC is working.
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Originally Posted by CLSixspeed
does that valve ,make a click when it engages? i noticed a click that i hadnt before..but maybe i was being hyper sensitive to noises..
Originally Posted by Excelerate
When VTEC engages you will see a butterfly click over and that will let you know VTEC is working.
A bad IMRC is a common problem linked with loss of power, but can't tell you if your VTEC is working
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Originally Posted by spdy0001
Sorry but the IMRC has nothing to do with VTEC. IMRC opens up at an earlier RPM then VTEC engages. The IMRC is only on the Type S and works with the dual runner setup.
A bad IMRC is a common problem linked with loss of power, but can't tell you if your VTEC is working
A bad IMRC is a common problem linked with loss of power, but can't tell you if your VTEC is working
Bear with me. I'm working too much.
Originally Posted by 2003TL-S
The IMRC pops open the secondary intake valve at 3800RPM, if it is not opening properly you won't hear VTEC as clearly as you would if it was working properly. I had this issue at one time.
i ut xs headers on my 3.0, slight hiss until i tightened them down again, other than that, no problems, sounds good, but its still on stock cat back.
overall for 140 w/ shipping and about 3 hours of install time, a few cuts and bruises, id say they were worth it
overall for 140 w/ shipping and about 3 hours of install time, a few cuts and bruises, id say they were worth it






