Xephyr CL-S vs M3
04-24-2001, 06:28 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by eclipse23:
Yeah, I am now $300 dollars richer due to that bitch!
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Yeah, I am now $300 dollars richer due to that bitch!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by soopa:
Re-zis-tance is futile!
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I thought i was in the Barney forum>>>> Change the purple
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CLS can run 14s? Hell, I think everyone knows that. With the headers, exhaust, CAI, I think it should be very close to the flat 14, don't you guys think?
I have to admit, they are both fast cars, the Acura could be made faster with less money.
Comparing 'apples to apples', who would win the following?:
1996-99 E36 M3 w/ these mods:
Chip, exhaust, intake
2001 CLS w/ these mods:
headers, exhaust, intake
I know the chip vs the headers isn't too fair, but thats as close as it can get w/ popular mods. What say you people? I think this race would be very close, might give the CLS a win by a 1/4 car length in the 1/4 mile head to head.
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I have to admit, they are both fast cars, the Acura could be made faster with less money.
Comparing 'apples to apples', who would win the following?:
1996-99 E36 M3 w/ these mods:
Chip, exhaust, intake
2001 CLS w/ these mods:
headers, exhaust, intake
I know the chip vs the headers isn't too fair, but thats as close as it can get w/ popular mods. What say you people? I think this race would be very close, might give the CLS a win by a 1/4 car length in the 1/4 mile head to head.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Stravis:
I think the whole point of Xephyr's initial response was that the CL-S can run 14's, something that was refuted previously by Tom2. </font>
I think the whole point of Xephyr's initial response was that the CL-S can run 14's, something that was refuted previously by Tom2. </font>
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04-24-2001, 07:34 PM
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Actually, the true test of skill at the track is consistency. You guys should run 3 time trials and then run 3 BRACKET RACES. Tom is obviously very confident. 13.9 BONE STOCK...MEANS THAT HE CAN HIT THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME RIGHT? I CAN HIT MY 14.9 EVERY SINGLE TIME...WITHIN HUNDRETHS OF A SECOND. This is the only fair way right? Since you guys are both modded now..or like Xeph said..maybe a little NOS might ruin your day....on another note, I noticed that your times for Englishtown and, in general back East, are a lot quicker. Out in Cali...times tend to be slower(except for turbo cars). Probably because of all the sun.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Xephyr2K:
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Tom2: If you want to quote me .. then do so .. but use the entire message .... not clippings you find pertinent. My post clearly said "apples to apples" and once you begin adding mods you no longer are racing in the same class..... And I clearly said I am modded ..... But you still pushed the issue ............ BTW: Why would you upgrade the software w/o Dinan intake, exhaust, short throw shift...etc....- Realistically that commits you to running 92+ octane with little gain...- again whatever works for you. Take the time to re-read my original post before putting any more then pride on the line .... remember ... apples .. apples....
Besides NOS does anything else seem unfair ?
Should I reduce displacement , understroke, swap heads, remove headers, remove induction, can the computer,no slicks ? ....... Catch where I am going with this? I'll reiterate my original statement .. The CL-S is an all around performer with value, comfort, and great performance.... STOCK.... with enough time and money even a civic can run a 8.684 sec 1/4 mile and beat any stock production car made to date. Rethink my posts and catch the idea most people here already know.... The CL-S is an all around great car... Every race is 90% driver .... stock M's are fast ... but ... left stock can lose to a modded car w/a better driver... PERIOD.... conversely a CL-S could lose to a pinto ......
I'll leave it like this.... if you want to run the cars .... Set up a meet this summer ... I'm not taking anything off the car ... I don't give items away - I'm in business to turn a profit . I give breaks to members that are genuine and here to add useful info whenever I can... Meanwhile invest in a Dinan stage 3 kit then you can surely win all your races... most people here could care less whether or not an M can beat a CL-S... if they wanted the trade off they too would have bought a used M rather then a new CL-S.
Poobah - I'm thinking a englishtown meet end of June - begining of July
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Tom2: If you want to quote me .. then do so .. but use the entire message .... not clippings you find pertinent. My post clearly said "apples to apples" and once you begin adding mods you no longer are racing in the same class..... And I clearly said I am modded ..... But you still pushed the issue ............ BTW: Why would you upgrade the software w/o Dinan intake, exhaust, short throw shift...etc....- Realistically that commits you to running 92+ octane with little gain...- again whatever works for you. Take the time to re-read my original post before putting any more then pride on the line .... remember ... apples .. apples....
Besides NOS does anything else seem unfair ?
Should I reduce displacement , understroke, swap heads, remove headers, remove induction, can the computer,no slicks ? ....... Catch where I am going with this? I'll reiterate my original statement .. The CL-S is an all around performer with value, comfort, and great performance.... STOCK.... with enough time and money even a civic can run a 8.684 sec 1/4 mile and beat any stock production car made to date. Rethink my posts and catch the idea most people here already know.... The CL-S is an all around great car... Every race is 90% driver .... stock M's are fast ... but ... left stock can lose to a modded car w/a better driver... PERIOD.... conversely a CL-S could lose to a pinto ...... I'll leave it like this.... if you want to run the cars .... Set up a meet this summer ... I'm not taking anything off the car ... I don't give items away - I'm in business to turn a profit . I give breaks to members that are genuine and here to add useful info whenever I can... Meanwhile invest in a Dinan stage 3 kit then you can surely win all your races... most people here could care less whether or not an M can beat a CL-S... if they wanted the trade off they too would have bought a used M rather then a new CL-S.
Poobah - I'm thinking a englishtown meet end of June - begining of July
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04-24-2001, 07:43 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by M3Sins:
CLS can run 14s? Hell, I think everyone knows that. With the headers, exhaust, CAI, I think it should be very close to the flat 14, don't you guys think?
I have to admit, they are both fast cars, the Acura could be made faster with less money.
Comparing 'apples to apples', who would win the following?:
1996-99 E36 M3 w/ these mods:
Chip, exhaust, intake
2001 CLS w/ these mods:
headers, exhaust, intake
I know the chip vs the headers isn't too fair, but thats as close as it can get w/ popular mods. What say you people? I think this race would be very close, might give the CLS a win by a 1/4 car length in the 1/4 mile head to head.
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CLS can run 14s? Hell, I think everyone knows that. With the headers, exhaust, CAI, I think it should be very close to the flat 14, don't you guys think?
I have to admit, they are both fast cars, the Acura could be made faster with less money.
Comparing 'apples to apples', who would win the following?:
1996-99 E36 M3 w/ these mods:
Chip, exhaust, intake
2001 CLS w/ these mods:
headers, exhaust, intake
I know the chip vs the headers isn't too fair, but thats as close as it can get w/ popular mods. What say you people? I think this race would be very close, might give the CLS a win by a 1/4 car length in the 1/4 mile head to head.
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04-24-2001, 08:01 PM
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I live right between you guys. Soopa's favorite place...Paramus, (no thats not Pajamas) home of the soopamall! In the interest of fairness I would gladly witness this race and snap some pics if need be. Let not let this opportunity fly bye. We all know who should come out ahead but imagine.... 
PS … If one of those CAI's happens to add to much weight to someone's car I'll gladly hold it for you.
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04-24-2001, 08:12 PM
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yah it will be fair if an AUTO m3 vs Cl-S
i put $5 on chirs =)
i put $5 on chirs =)
04-24-2001, 08:12 PM
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I can't believe that the M3 and CL-S have been reduced to drag racers.
Ok, I've now seen it all...
(Is there going to be a "technical" inspection to make sure someone hasn't slammed some "transistors" into their fuel lines?) (j/k) 
BTW -- Xepher (Chris), be sure to get some drag slicks, you will need them.
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BTW -- Xepher (Chris), be sure to get some drag slicks, you will need them.
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04-24-2001, 08:15 PM
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Now we're getting some sane comparisons....- 01 CL-S w/headers, CAI -vs- 99 M3 Automatic w/ headers and CAI........ hmmmnnn ...- notice Toms change of attitude over the last few pages
.Tom,
If you want this to be a true comparison of Acura to BMW .... shouldnt the performance flagship E46 M3 manual be compared to the NSX or NSX-T manual ......
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.Tom,
If you want this to be a true comparison of Acura to BMW .... shouldnt the performance flagship E46 M3 manual be compared to the NSX or NSX-T manual ......
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04-24-2001, 08:18 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tom2:
This was posted on the "magazine racer" thread, but I wanted to start a new thread because that one is too long as it is already.
This is copied and pasted from the other thread:
Originally posted by Xephyr2K:
Tom2,
Grow up.... 50% of race stories may be B.S. but you dont know all the facts unless you are there ..... the other half are true .... Stop trolling and enjoy your car .. its a great car..-BUT,IF ITS STOCK..,,,,, MY "MODDED CL-S" WILL BE AS INTIMATE WITH IT AS YOUR PROCTOLOGIST IS WITH YOU in a 1/4 mile..... fair race? ofcourse not ..... my sig shows only 1 mod ...(the only one you would noticeably hear on the street or track) Catch my point? P.S. - 1/4 in 14.4 to 14.5 is ONLY with the CAI.... come play w/me now.............
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This was posted on the "magazine racer" thread, but I wanted to start a new thread because that one is too long as it is already.
This is copied and pasted from the other thread:
Originally posted by Xephyr2K:
Tom2,
Grow up.... 50% of race stories may be B.S. but you dont know all the facts unless you are there ..... the other half are true .... Stop trolling and enjoy your car .. its a great car..-BUT,IF ITS STOCK..,,,,, MY "MODDED CL-S" WILL BE AS INTIMATE WITH IT AS YOUR PROCTOLOGIST IS WITH YOU in a 1/4 mile..... fair race? ofcourse not ..... my sig shows only 1 mod ...(the only one you would noticeably hear on the street or track) Catch my point? P.S. - 1/4 in 14.4 to 14.5 is ONLY with the CAI.... come play w/me now.............
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04-24-2001, 08:38 PM
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Eric,
lol track stickies are in the garage
I know the heads, headers, induction, computer, and juice wont make much difference at the track ... but my Xephyr Performance stickers shave close to .5 second off, the triple Zaino reduces drag to .000001 , not to mention my patented TurboTransistors bring my 1/4 mile time into single digits lol hahahaha
Somebody close this topic .... im begging you ....STOP THE MADNESS! LOL HAHAHA...
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lol track stickies are in the garage
I know the heads, headers, induction, computer, and juice wont make much difference at the track ... but my Xephyr Performance stickers shave close to .5 second off, the triple Zaino reduces drag to .000001 , not to mention my patented TurboTransistors bring my 1/4 mile time into single digits
lol hahahaha Somebody close this topic .... im begging you ....STOP THE MADNESS! LOL HAHAHA...
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04-24-2001, 08:40 PM
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lets all hold hands and sing... Kumbaya my lord...... Kumbaya...
Enought with the madness already!
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04-24-2001, 08:42 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Xephyr2K:
Eric,
lol track stickies are in the garage
I know the heads, headers, induction, computer, and juice wont make much difference at the track ... but my Xephyr Performance stickers shave close to .5 second off, the triple Zaino reduces drag to .000001 , not to mention my patented TurboTransistors bring my 1/4 mile time into single digits lol hahahaha
Somebody close this topic .... im begging you ....STOP THE MADNESS! LOL HAHAHA...
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Eric,
lol track stickies are in the garage
I know the heads, headers, induction, computer, and juice wont make much difference at the track ... but my Xephyr Performance stickers shave close to .5 second off, the triple Zaino reduces drag to .000001 , not to mention my patented TurboTransistors bring my 1/4 mile time into single digits
lol hahahaha Somebody close this topic .... im begging you ....STOP THE MADNESS! LOL HAHAHA...
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04-24-2001, 08:50 PM
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Eric,
Lmao hahahaha...........
ok deal .... you sell the michelin wax wheels mounted on the uranium rims (Half life aged like a fine wine) and I'll start production of the P-232 powered CL-S with flux capacitized 32 speed tranny... lol
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Lmao hahahaha...........
ok deal .... you sell the michelin wax wheels mounted on the uranium rims (Half life aged like a fine wine) and I'll start production of the P-232 powered CL-S with flux capacitized 32 speed tranny... lol
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04-24-2001, 08:59 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Xephyr2K:
Eric,
Lmao hahahaha...........
ok deal .... you sell the michelin wax wheels mounted on the uranium rims (Half life aged like a fine wine) and I'll start production of the P-232 powered CL-S with flux capacitized 32 speed tranny... lol
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Eric,
Lmao hahahaha...........
ok deal .... you sell the michelin wax wheels mounted on the uranium rims (Half life aged like a fine wine) and I'll start production of the P-232 powered CL-S with flux capacitized 32 speed tranny... lol
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04-24-2001, 09:01 PM
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Am I the only person here who just plain enjoys driving the CL-S? I'll admit, I would enjoy it a bit more with the CAI, but it will get here someday..
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04-24-2001, 09:05 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by empeters:
Am I the only person here who just plain enjoys driving the CL-S?
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Am I the only person here who just plain enjoys driving the CL-S?
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Until I can buy a "morph-mobile", this will do fine...
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[This message has been edited by EricL (edited 04-24-2001).]
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I think Tom's brother was driving the CL-S that day and it was parked at the wrong time at the wrong placed, and it got strucked by a truck... Am i right Tom....
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04-24-2001, 10:03 PM
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i think xypher is going to wait for his carbon fiber cai, since you know, that'll for sure bring him in the high 13's.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by so cal type s:
i think xypher is going to wait for his carbon fiber cai, since you know, that'll for sure bring him in the high 13's.
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i think xypher is going to wait for his carbon fiber cai, since you know, that'll for sure bring him in the high 13's.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by eclipse23:
Your not serious are you? Carbon Fiber CAI to increase times even more? I don't think so. There is no magic behind a CAI it's a pipe with a filter that draws air more freely into the intake. What would carbon fiber do that alluminum tubing does not do?
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Your not serious are you? Carbon Fiber CAI to increase times even more? I don't think so. There is no magic behind a CAI it's a pipe with a filter that draws air more freely into the intake. What would carbon fiber do that alluminum tubing does not do?
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04-24-2001, 10:17 PM
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Shhhhhhhhhh, Xephyr, got a top secret project, in his "MODED CLS" he got the prototype, that will pull an extra 50HP.
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You all need to relax - If you know Tom and his posts he has an inherent knack for starting threads that really turn this place on it's ear. Don't take it too seriously 'cause I assure you he doesn't.
How come Zephyr goes silent when Goodjob ask about his refund? Too busy again?
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How come Zephyr goes silent when Goodjob ask about his refund? Too busy again?
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04-24-2001, 10:39 PM
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A lot of things does not make sense with the xephyr performance, LLC issues. People ordered their CAI in Feb, waited 10 weeks and still no CAI, while he was under CLSs installing his CAI in the NJ meet? Why?
GoodJob was asking for his refund check for 2 months and no reply from Chris. Very busy, forgot about it? But how come Chris was able to challenge Tom2 and them back off when Tom2 was up to the challenge. Chris is very busy, right? so how come he is on vacation?
Oh! Yeah, at least 6 of his CAI showed up at NJ Park Avenue while his customers are waiting for theirs. Why, "sorry guys, I goofed, labels shoould be labeled 5lb rather than 4lb." he needed 3 weeks to figure that out, right?
Al lot of excuses..... This is not how a business should be run, Mr. Konicker
Sorry, I waited a lot before I had to give my opinion. And, please, Chris do not email me again asking me to refrain from posting about your company cause I am hurting your business. Stop hurting your business yourself first by providing a prompt product delivery to your customers.
Have a nice one.
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- 3M clear bra, by Stonguard (full front bumper, and side mirrors, and partial hood)
- Acura Spoiler, Moonroof visor
- Splash guards, Winter mats, Trunk liner
- Valentine V1 Radar Locator
- HELMS Service Manual
- PIAA 19169 road lamps
- 03/19/01: Injen Polished CAI
- 04/13/01: 235/40/18 NITTO 555 on 18x7.5, +45 offset, Koing Imagine in Silver with wheels locks
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GoodJob was asking for his refund check for 2 months and no reply from Chris. Very busy, forgot about it? But how come Chris was able to challenge Tom2 and them back off when Tom2 was up to the challenge. Chris is very busy, right? so how come he is on vacation?
Oh! Yeah, at least 6 of his CAI showed up at NJ Park Avenue while his customers are waiting for theirs. Why, "sorry guys, I goofed, labels shoould be labeled 5lb rather than 4lb." he needed 3 weeks to figure that out, right?
Al lot of excuses..... This is not how a business should be run, Mr. Konicker
Sorry, I waited a lot before I had to give my opinion. And, please, Chris do not email me again asking me to refrain from posting about your company cause I am hurting your business. Stop hurting your business yourself first by providing a prompt product delivery to your customers.
Have a nice one.
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- 3M clear bra, by Stonguard (full front bumper, and side mirrors, and partial hood)
- Acura Spoiler, Moonroof visor
- Splash guards, Winter mats, Trunk liner
- Valentine V1 Radar Locator
- HELMS Service Manual
- PIAA 19169 road lamps
- 03/19/01: Injen Polished CAI
- 04/13/01: 235/40/18 NITTO 555 on 18x7.5, +45 offset, Koing Imagine in Silver with wheels locks
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04-24-2001, 10:47 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by e1828:
The M3 would have to be an auto to compare 'apples to apples'
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The M3 would have to be an auto to compare 'apples to apples'
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Xephyr2K:
Now we're getting some sane comparisons....- 01 CL-S w/headers, CAI -vs- 99 M3 Automatic w/ headers and CAI........ hmmmnnn ...- notice Toms change of attitude over the last few pages
.Tom,
If you want this to be a true comparison of Acura to BMW .... shouldnt the performance flagship E46 M3 manual be compared to the NSX or NSX-T manual ......
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Now we're getting some sane comparisons....- 01 CL-S w/headers, CAI -vs- 99 M3 Automatic w/ headers and CAI........ hmmmnnn ...- notice Toms change of attitude over the last few pages
.Tom,
If you want this to be a true comparison of Acura to BMW .... shouldnt the performance flagship E46 M3 manual be compared to the NSX or NSX-T manual ......
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nashua_Night_Hawk:
A lot of things does not make sense with the xephyr performance, LLC issues. People ordered their CAI in Feb, waited 10 weeks and still no CAI, while he was under CLSs installing his CAI in the NJ meet? Why?
GoodJob was asking for his refund check for 2 months and no reply from Chris. Very busy, forgot about it? But how come Chris was able to challenge Tom2 and them back off when Tom2 was up to the challenge. Chris is very busy, right? so how come he is on vacation?
Oh! Yeah, at least 6 of his CAI showed up at NJ Park Avenue while his customers are waiting for theirs. Why, "sorry guys, I goofed, labels shoould be labeled 5lb rather than 4lb." he needed 3 weeks to figure that out, right?
Al lot of excuses..... This is not how a business should be run, Mr. Konicker
Sorry, I waited a lot before I had to give my opinion. And, please, Chris do not email me again asking me to refrain from posting about your company cause I am hurting your business. Stop hurting your business yourself first by providing a prompt product delivery to your customers.
Have a nice one.
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A lot of things does not make sense with the xephyr performance, LLC issues. People ordered their CAI in Feb, waited 10 weeks and still no CAI, while he was under CLSs installing his CAI in the NJ meet? Why?
GoodJob was asking for his refund check for 2 months and no reply from Chris. Very busy, forgot about it? But how come Chris was able to challenge Tom2 and them back off when Tom2 was up to the challenge. Chris is very busy, right? so how come he is on vacation?
Oh! Yeah, at least 6 of his CAI showed up at NJ Park Avenue while his customers are waiting for theirs. Why, "sorry guys, I goofed, labels shoould be labeled 5lb rather than 4lb." he needed 3 weeks to figure that out, right?
Al lot of excuses..... This is not how a business should be run, Mr. Konicker
Sorry, I waited a lot before I had to give my opinion. And, please, Chris do not email me again asking me to refrain from posting about your company cause I am hurting your business. Stop hurting your business yourself first by providing a prompt product delivery to your customers.
Have a nice one.
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This is very true.
Last week I decided that I wanted to get a CAI for my Type-S. I knew my options:
1: AEM CAI
2: Xepher CAI
I have been part of the forum for a while now. I joined whay before Xephyer LLC even existed. I have been reading about all the problems people were having with xephyer and knew that going through the hassle was not worth the 20-30 dollars I would save.
I emailed Time at autocarparts.com and got a response within 10min. I put in the order friday morning for the AEM CAI and had the intake arrived yesterday. Today it is installed.
I can't imagine how people can wait for week in and weeks out, hoping that the promised intake would arrive from Xephyr. And all they get is......."Why, sorry guys, I goofed, labels shoould be labeled 5lb rather than 4lb." That is not even close to the way a business needs to be run. If he can't handle the little things like refunding people, how can he be trusted with a business.
By the way. The AEM intake perfect. Sounds good and noticable power increase.
Good luck to all the people waiting for their intakes from Xephyr. Maybe you will have it installed before summer.....or maybe winter.
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04-25-2001, 01:06 AM
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Yep. I ordered my Polished Injen CAI on Thursday March 15th afternoon from www.Ptuning.com and I recieved it on Monday, March 19th. It was installed on March 21st. Beside a minor clearance issue with the hood, the CAI is faboulous. I paid $200, Free Shipping and I get the cleaning and re-oiling kit FREE worth some $30. A good deal. It arrived as promised in a huge Pro package. Installation instrcutions include and everything needed is there.
I am happy with my CAI, performace wise (gained 3MPH @ 1/4 Trap speed), secured to the frame body and no rubbing issues, and looks very nice , VTEC sound is awesome. Priced competetively.
Here is a pic of final product:
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Black, Ebony, 3.2 CL Type-S, NAV.
- 3M clear bra, by Stonguard (full front bumper, and side mirrors, and partial hood)
- Acura Spoiler, Moonroof visor
- Splash guards, Winter mats, Trunk liner
- Valentine V1 Radar Locator
- HELMS Service Manual
- PIAA 19169 road lamps
- 03/19/01: Injen Polished CAI
- 04/13/01: 235/40/18 NITTO 555 on 18x7.5, +45 offset, Koing Imagine in Silver with wheels locks
I am happy with my CAI, performace wise (gained 3MPH @ 1/4 Trap speed), secured to the frame body and no rubbing issues, and looks very nice , VTEC sound is awesome. Priced competetively.
Here is a pic of final product:
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Black, Ebony, 3.2 CL Type-S, NAV.
- 3M clear bra, by Stonguard (full front bumper, and side mirrors, and partial hood)
- Acura Spoiler, Moonroof visor
- Splash guards, Winter mats, Trunk liner
- Valentine V1 Radar Locator
- HELMS Service Manual
- PIAA 19169 road lamps
- 03/19/01: Injen Polished CAI
- 04/13/01: 235/40/18 NITTO 555 on 18x7.5, +45 offset, Koing Imagine in Silver with wheels locks
04-25-2001, 01:40 AM
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So many posts to respond to all at once.
First of all, Xephyr, I took nothing that you said out of context. Anyone that wants to read your original post will obviously know that. I knew that you'd back down to my challenge. If you want me to run stock, then okay, I'll run you stock. Simply disconnecting my battery will set the stock software back in action. Anyone that knows anything about "sharking" an M3 knows this. So are we on? Now what's your excuse?
For everyone else: I'm not trying to make the CL-S look bad. I'm a previous owner and I like the car. Xephyr started running his mouth, and I called him out on it. End of story.
Eclpise- How do you figure that I've got "those extra mods"? I have ONE mod, an upgraded software mod. Did you not read my post? And Xephyr claims to have "other" mods not able to be seen/heard on the street or at the strip. So who has the advantage now? By the way, I have nothing to prove.
Hollywood- blow me.
Gold- You're not credible at all, so don't even get me started. Xephyr is full of shit with his accusations, and anyone with half a brain can go back and read the threads again to see that.
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First of all, Xephyr, I took nothing that you said out of context. Anyone that wants to read your original post will obviously know that. I knew that you'd back down to my challenge. If you want me to run stock, then okay, I'll run you stock. Simply disconnecting my battery will set the stock software back in action. Anyone that knows anything about "sharking" an M3 knows this. So are we on? Now what's your excuse?
For everyone else: I'm not trying to make the CL-S look bad. I'm a previous owner and I like the car. Xephyr started running his mouth, and I called him out on it. End of story.
Eclpise- How do you figure that I've got "those extra mods"? I have ONE mod, an upgraded software mod. Did you not read my post? And Xephyr claims to have "other" mods not able to be seen/heard on the street or at the strip. So who has the advantage now? By the way, I have nothing to prove.
Hollywood- blow me.
Gold- You're not credible at all, so don't even get me started. Xephyr is full of shit with his accusations, and anyone with half a brain can go back and read the threads again to see that.
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04-25-2001, 01:45 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Xephyr2K:
Now we're getting some sane comparisons....- 01 CL-S w/headers, CAI -vs- 99 M3 Automatic w/ headers and CAI........ hmmmnnn ...- notice Toms change of attitude over the last few pages
.Tom,
If you want this to be a true comparison of Acura to BMW .... shouldnt the performance flagship E46 M3 manual be compared to the NSX or NSX-T manual ......
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Now we're getting some sane comparisons....- 01 CL-S w/headers, CAI -vs- 99 M3 Automatic w/ headers and CAI........ hmmmnnn ...- notice Toms change of attitude over the last few pages
.Tom,
If you want this to be a true comparison of Acura to BMW .... shouldnt the performance flagship E46 M3 manual be compared to the NSX or NSX-T manual ......
</font>
I love the way you are trying to change this into an "acura vs BMW" thing, which it is not. This was about OUR cars, not Acuras and Bimmers.
By the way, I'd put a Z8 (400 HP) up against an NSX any day. Do you have any idea what a Z8 is??
I'm seriously disappointed in you. You like to talk junk, but wuss out when challenged. Oh well.......
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04-25-2001, 01:50 AM
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Hollywood, I don't know your e-mail address. I am interested in your offer for a friendly drag of 328ci 5 speed vs CL-S. I test frove one the other day, and boy it was fast. Wondering how's my bimmer gonna keep up. please e-mail me back! Thanks
04-25-2001, 01:52 AM
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Like I previously posted. The challenge was made, now just get on with the race, and none of this summer crap, its springtime, no better time for a race. Just remember to videotape it.
04-25-2001, 01:54 AM
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I am Buddha'a friend and I do remember an instance where Buddha was right on my tail in one of the races. Not to deny buddha credit, but I bogged. Also, when my clutch was in the slip stage buddha had me in one run by a car. There's no doubt that the CL-S will hang with the M3 after the launch, but the M3 will pull on the CL-S after the CL-S hits 4th gear. I recently learned how to really launch my M well so if I get a good launch I don't think buddha will catch me. I can consistently take a s2000 by 2+ cars (which were my latest runs). On the flip side, I got took by a supercharged s2000 & APR S4 by 2+ cars. Now I wish Buddha could get the headers and exhaust so we can run more, but I think he's going for a 540 in a year or so.
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04-25-2001, 02:19 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CLpower:
i could use an intake, my CLpower CAI seems to be falling apart</font>
i could use an intake, my CLpower CAI seems to be falling apart</font>
what if its a tie? 6 CAI's then? hehe
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Xephyr2K:
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Poobah - I'm thinking a englishtown meet end of June - begining of July
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Poobah - I'm thinking a englishtown meet end of June - begining of July
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***THIS IS POSTED TWICE ON THIS BOARD APPEARING ON ANOTHER THREAD AS WELL***
These M3 guys are really starting to piss me off. I am detecting an identity crisis here, what else could it be. This is like the Corvette guys talking to the Camaro guys telling them how much faster their car is I am really happy that according the specs an M3 is faster, I would hope so for 50K less in my pocket. Now, a CLS with $1,800 worth of mods giving one a run for it's money, that's great and really shows how good the CLS motor is. Considering I saved $16k I would be happy if strait line racing is all I cared about and now I can whip a more expensive car.
BUT, you know what?
It's still not a BMW, it's still not an M3. M3's are beautiful cars, hopefully my next car will be one. Hopefully when I buy one I will not have the need to troll car forums where I challenge cars 0-60 that are almost 20K less than my ride. Hopefully I will troll the S4 boards or the Porsche and Corvette boards where the real challenges exist. This trolling by the beamer boys is sad, do you need me to give you guys a hug and reassure your inner child that your car is nicer?
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These M3 guys are really starting to piss me off. I am detecting an identity crisis here, what else could it be. This is like the Corvette guys talking to the Camaro guys telling them how much faster their car is I am really happy that according the specs an M3 is faster, I would hope so for 50K less in my pocket. Now, a CLS with $1,800 worth of mods giving one a run for it's money, that's great and really shows how good the CLS motor is. Considering I saved $16k I would be happy if strait line racing is all I cared about and now I can whip a more expensive car.
BUT, you know what?
It's still not a BMW, it's still not an M3. M3's are beautiful cars, hopefully my next car will be one. Hopefully when I buy one I will not have the need to troll car forums where I challenge cars 0-60 that are almost 20K less than my ride. Hopefully I will troll the S4 boards or the Porsche and Corvette boards where the real challenges exist. This trolling by the beamer boys is sad, do you need me to give you guys a hug and reassure your inner child that your car is nicer?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tom2:
So many posts to respond to all at once.
For everyone else: I'm not trying to make the CL-S look bad. I'm a previous owner and I like the car.
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So many posts to respond to all at once.
For everyone else: I'm not trying to make the CL-S look bad. I'm a previous owner and I like the car.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tom2:
MANY guys here driving a CL-S could not run under 15 seconds.
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MANY guys here driving a CL-S could not run under 15 seconds.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Stravis:
I think the whole point of Xephyr's initial response was that the CL-S can run 14's, something that was refuted previously by Tom2. </font>
I think the whole point of Xephyr's initial response was that the CL-S can run 14's, something that was refuted previously by Tom2. </font>