my rear tires,formerly my fronts are slicks....i mean 0 tread...but ive been thinking of 18's and having these for the track,so i didnt wanna buy tires yet,so it's raining and i coming home,slow sweeper 30 mph and the rear end just swings out...i steer into the skid immediately,it comes back around and kick out the other direction but not as much,steer back into that skid and straighten her out...im still shaking...but i learned two things...i reacted well and i need to do something asap about the tires

 

bald tires + rain + no weight in the ass end = fun times.

BUT

not in a FWD car..

 

Anyone remember the thread where one guy argued he should put the new tires on the front of his CLS, and the old ones on the back?

 

yes. that's how it should be done; braking power and steering all in the front.

in this case, sounds like all the tires were shot.

i need tires

 

I think you missed my point bro.

On a FWD vehicle, the tires with the most traction should be in the back, not the front. But don't take my word for it - check out what all the major tire manufacturers say about that!

 

that's a first for me.

i've always heard that the better tires should go in the front regardless if it's a FWD or RWD. if you have bald tires in the front, how u gonna stop/turn?

 

Tires=no tread=STUPID! Glad you are not dead.

 

yup and this is a good case in point-if typer couldnt steer out of it he would have been in big trouble.

do you think an "average" driver could have saved that car??

thats why your best tires go in the back cause you cant correct it as naturally or as easily as you could the fronts losing traction

glad your ok thats some scary shit when it happens unexpectedly

 

If your fronts lose traction your FUCKED!!!! You won't be able to steer the vehicle if you have no traction in the front, hence grippy tires go upfront.

It just so happens that our cars extreme front weight bias and shitty tires in the rear will cause the rear stepping out in otherwise normal conditions.

 

Hey! I got a great idea, get new tires all around! That means replace all 4 when they reach 2/32... How friggin stupid do you have to be? Get a clue, bald tires and driving in the rain is just a recipe for either trashing your car, injuring or killing yourself or someone else.

 

there's no doubt i need tires but...in a FWD vehical good tires go up front period...as far as the tires save the lectures,everyone knows how much i drag race,and i explained i was wanting to go 18,anyone that knows florida...one minute sunny one minute...

 

Does VSA not even try to help you?

 

He no longer has VSA and VSA has no control over the rear wheels.

 

actually it does. or at least it is supposed to. the vsa system is supposed to use the three point abs braking system to stop slides. but most slides need braking on one of the front tires in order to do their job. so it pretty much never uses the rear brakes.
vsa is more effective on rwd or awd cars because it can cut power to the rear (engine braking begins) and that helps quite a bit.

 

This was discussed in a thread about a year ago. VSA only controls the front brakes.

 

VEHICAL STABILITY ASSIST (VSA) SYSTEM
First equipped in the 2000 model year Acura 3.5 RL flagship sedan, the Acura Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) system is standard equipment on the 3.2 CL Type S model. Similar to the 3.5 RL system, the CL's VSA system orchestrates the throttle and brakes to seamlessly integrate traction control, anti-lock braking and stability enhancement processes. This innovation is designed to assist the driver in maintaining control during acceleration, cornering and sudden collision-avoidance maneuvers by applying braking force to the right or left front wheel as necessary and managing the throttle system.

By monitoring input from eight vehicle sensors, the VSA system can calculate a predicted range of vehicle response while constantly monitoring the vehicle's actual response and the driver's control inputs. If the actual response is outside the predicted response range -- as when cornering forces exceed the tires performance, for example -- VSA automatically intervenes with corrective action. In the case of oversteer (which may lead to spin), VSA applies braking to the outside front wheel to counter the unintended yawing tendency. On the other hand, if understeer becomes pronounced, VSA applies braking to the inside front wheel and reduces engine power to turn the car back into the intended course.

Unlike some vehicle stability systems, which can seem intrusive to enthusiast drivers, the Acura VSA is calibrated to add to stability and predictability, without stifling the driving enjoyment of the CL's carefully engineered chassis and double wishbone suspension. An indicator light flashes on the instrument panel while the system is actively enhancing the stability of the vehicle. A cockpit switch is provided to disable the VSA and TCS while leaving the antilock braking system fully functional.

 

No mention of rear brake control.

 

On a FWD vehicle, if replacing only 2 tires, the new tires must go on the back.

If you disagree with this statement, you also disagree with the recommendation of any reputable tire manufacturer out there.

I rest my case.

 

New tires always go on the back. There have been some good articles in Car and Driver recently on this. Lots of people get this one wrong.

 

Went to Discount Tire recently and they were saying that to me as well.

 

had i put the slicks on the fron i would have been in someones livingroom ...rest that case

 

I wish i had gotten this info about the good tires being in the back before i spun on the highway 7am in the morning just about to exit. I went from the HOV lane to the grass on the other side hitting a speed limit sign saying 55mph and i was doing 70mph

Funny thing is i should have leant my lesson when a similar thing happened to me while driving from CT to GA, i hydroplaned in NC which wasnt as scary as this one cos there was no traffic on the road.

But am glad u have learnt from this lesson and i hope alot more ppl read this and take more care driving in the rain .

 

You're supposed to drive with passenger tires on public roads, not racing slicks!

 

they started out as passenger tires.

http://www.atomicdesigns.com/shawn/mov00003.mpg

http://www.atomicdesigns.com/shawn/typeR_086.mpg

 

I'm at work now so I can't check the vids. I'm guessing a massive burn out turned them into slicks.

When your front tires have a lot more traction around a curve than your rear tires, your back end will spin out spontaneously and it's extremely difficult to control it, if not impossible. That's why they recommend to put the better tires in the back. You can avoid understeering by having a slower entry speed in the corner, and by laying off the throttle once you're already understeering... but once your back end kicks out on a FWD... you know first hand what happens. Had your slicks been in front, and your passenger tires in the back, you would have understeered but definitely wouldn't have spun out like that!

 

no i would have just went straight instead of turned and went right into a house

 

I wanna do burnouts like that

 

Do you really not see my point, or are you playing devil's advocate?

 

From Michelin

"Where do I install new tires if I only buy two?
If you're replacing only two tires, be sure to have them installed on your vehicle's rear axle. New tires will provide better grip than your half-worn tires and when they are installed on the rear that helps reduce the potential for your vehicle to fishtail or hydroplane in wet conditions."

http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip6.html#5

Should pretty much wrap this up.

Paul

 

no i dont...

 

that would be true if it were rear wheel drive ...re ask the question

 

Just as true for FWD as for RWD.

What happened to you, is a perfect example of what happens when rear tires have significantly less traction than front tires in a FWD car.

 

TypeR, how do you do those burnouts? I thought u were 5AT...

 

man... this is like trying to teach a cat to sit.

 

:iagree:

 

if the tires were reversed i would have gone straight off the road ...end of story

 

i put my foot on the gas

 

You're correct about that.

As far as the end of the story is concerned, you're not supposed to drive around with bald tires on the street because you're putting your life, and the lives of others in danger.

If you had proper tires, you wouldn't spun out, nor gone off the road.

 

hense the title of this thread


...and a wake up call

 

thank you