RUF87

Dang, now here is someone I haven't been able to beat since that very first time out and will likely never beat him again . . . Mantis and his 13sec'd CLS.

Ruf

SiGGy

LOL, you guys kill me.

The GS400 and the 350z are faster, but not by much. If your a better driver you'll win.

I don't care what happend at what track, and wherever on the street. The GS400 and 350z are faster.

GS400 would hand you your ass on the highway...

DeezNutz

Considering I watched Ruf *repeatedly* beat an SC430 last year -- and not just with a better R/T, I think the GS400 talk is a bit strong on this thread. The CL-S will have a real good shot at that one. The 350Z will probably win, though.

sonor kid

The GS400 wouldn't hand any fully modded CLS it's ass, minus the s/c. My CL runs 14.3-14.4 consistently and have yet to see a better time out of a GS400 at the track, sorry.
As for the 350Z, I've yet to see a stock manual run better than 14.2 and have yet to see a stock auto break 14.5 and we've seen quite a few runs, so these cars have not proven to be as fast at the track as people think they are.
This will be drivers race between these cars but I think the modded CLS will have the advantage, sorry.

SiGGy

sorry, sorry, sorry

lol

anyway, i've ran a 14.2 in my CL. But it has to be 55 degrees, and perfect track conditions. Otherwise im high 14's. My my CLS is mod'd too.

yes, a GS would hand it to you on the highway. I've raced one, lemme guess I don't know how to race? .... riiiight ... oke-doke.

sorry... Advantage? Your something.

sushimaster

well, thanks for all the input everyone....this is gonna go down at the 1/4 mile track next weekend...so I guess there's only one way to find out. wish me luck guys...

BTW, Here's a video I found of someone's CL-S against a GS400. I think the GS400 in the video is stock and the 03 CL-S is a manual with intake/headers...

6 speed CLS vs GS400

ga2000

ive seen auto 350zs run 14.0 and g35 cps auto, run 14.2 so there ouicker than our cls,s ......... i hate to admit it but its true ...i hit a 14.4 with just intake in my cls but only once ..and i few 14.5s and so on,,, but on a consistant basis a Z and a g35 will beat us and some of us with headers also

RUF87

That's Civic's CLS 6-speed. I don't know if he had headers at the time or not. But look closely at the lights at the end the GS400 didn't run close to the low 14s that Siggy claims.

The fact that Siggy says his only ran high 14s stock indicates one of two things. Either Siggy isn't as good of a driver as he thinks he is . . . or he just got a slow one. :P Sorry Siggy, I've not see a stock GS400 run better than 14.7 so they lose.

BTW - no one here is claiming the GS400 is slow or that we would beat one on the highway. Shoot if you are going to change the subject ,bring on your GS400 with S/C too boot and I'll still kick it's @ss on the highway or byways. But I won't be driving my TLS either. :P

Ruf

RUF87

ga2000, keep in mind the details here. The guy was asking if his moded CLS could beat a stock GS400 or 350z. If he has a good running CLS and knows how to launch, he should beat the GS400. The 350z is a different story though. That could end up either way depending on the driver of the 350z. As I noted earlier, a 14.1 lost to my 14.5 because of this. So if the CLS is running 14.3 and the 350z is a 14.0, that's only 3-10ths and I would like my chances against the average driver in that race.

That's all that is being said here . . . nothing more.

Ruf

sonor kid

I would love to see a stock 350Z auto run a 14.0, so that's b.s as far as I'm concerned. The manual Z would have a hard time pulling off a 14.0.
Siggy, you can bite me my friend!

SiGGy

And umm the 6speed /w headers and intake ran a 14.5? LOL impressive.

How many 14.2 automatic CL(s) have you seen? there is only a handful of us who have ran a 14.2 /w basic mods.

The CL is so weather sensitive it's not even funny.

anywayz.... bite you? lol, I dont eat small meals.

GS400 is a mid-low 14 second car out of the box. CLS automatic is barely in the 14's. /w mods it will generally run a 14.5-14.6. Under the right conditions it can pull better times. But I have had days in the heat/humidity here I couldn't break into the 14's.

http://www.dragtimes.com/browse3.php...carmodel=GS400

Chaptorial

TypeSKiller ran a 13.68 on a stock M/T 350z. Its all about the driver.


http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...hreadid=137835

RUF87

I'm sure Civic didn't have headers yet at this time, not to mention he was still learning how to launch it. If you watch and listen closely you'll hear him spin. Also, notice the hole shot the GS400 got . . almost 2 car lengths and still got eaten up less than 1/2 down the track.

As for weather sensative, many cars suffer from that, and yes some more than others. Since I've put the cooling mods on and icebox I've been fairly consistent. Even before mods I've never run slower than a 14.78.

As I've said . . I've yet to personally see a STOCK GS400 pull low 14s. Modded ones yes, but not straight off the showroom.

BTW - I had a 11 sec car once . . and it wasn't modded either . . just headers, slicks, hi-rise intake, 505 lift 296 dur cam, 3200rpm stall converter, 4:10s, fully manual tranny, etc, but it was stock parts I bought at the local parts dealer . . . :P

Ruf

1SICKLEX

Ruf says he beat a GS 400 and I believe him. But it is the only case I've heard off. My very best friend has a CL-S, we always would race around following one another. I never lost. We would start out close, I would win by about a hood to 60mph and the gap would just extend.

But the CL-S is very quick and high revving and I've always told my GS people to watch out! B/C in a race where cars are close in speed, the jump is VERY important.

I could NEVER get a 350Z to race. Cause stock, they are not beasts. They are fast but nowadays, cars just as fast or faster. The one time I got a 350Z to bait, we punched it in a corner, I suspect he thought I was gonna slow down (thank goodness for suspension mods) but I just kept it on the gas like he did and he could not pass me (starting about 15mph to about 90mph).

I do agree, the driver has TONS to do with it. But equal cars, same driver, same track, 350Z, GS 400 then CL-S.

cusdaddy

Here is a stock 350z 6-speed that ran a 13.58 in the 1/4 basically stock (only a CAI which does nothing on the Z)

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...threadid=72087

In that thread, there is a 100% stock Auto Z that ran a 13.9. I've seen a number of Auto Z's that run 13.9-14.2.

It's rare to find a NA Auto CL that will run even a 14.2.

cusdaddy

The Z is pretty quick. There are MANY MANY Z's that have been running mid to high 13's stock. Once people are learning how to properly launch the car, the times have been going down. Even MT got a 13.7 on a bone stock Z.

I'd consider that pretty damn fast. Not a beast but faster than any stock GS400. In my last post, there was a link to a basically stock Z that ran a 13.5

RUF87

Nothing to add to this . . . Lex sums this up pretty good.

So since the GS400 is stock and the CLS has mods, then the CLS has a good chance.

BTW . . I have a few small mods and it's with those that I'm making my claim. If my car were totally stock . . . I'd have to holeshot the guy and make all my shifts to have a chance of winning. I've never had a run where I ran slower than 14.8 . . even stock. Well, except for that time I ran a 15.6 . . I broke traction real bad off the line . . . :o

Ruf

DeezNutz

I remember that 14.52 that Civic ran -- it was 100% stock at the time in his 6-spd. Just an FYI.

1SICKLEX

Oh it's quick, no doubt. Just with the EVos, WRXs, SRT-4s etc, hell, TLs, G35s, M45s there are tons of quick cars out there now.

The GS was doing sub 6 second runs 7 years ago, when outside of supercars, no one else was. Even the TL-S/CL-S were pretty damn quick for 2001. But damn has the competition caught up.

Damn good time to be a car driver.

RUF87

"Damn good time to be a car driver. "



If all it took was to buy a faster car, where would the competition in it all be?

I've said this before in the past . . . I love to run faster cars . . . it keeps the skills sharp and provides a much better rush knowing you got your hands full.

Also, don't forget that the average Joe out there doesn't maintain their car the way many of us do. So their cars end up losing a little performance over time while ours are pretty consistent.

Ruf

1SICKLEX

Good point about the maintenance. Even tire pressure to high can slow u down. So many people buy luxury cars and can't afford to maintain them. So 60k miles later, they run like shit (and as Ruf stated, slower).

Great point.